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17 August 2018 - 12:27 pm
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We know dosing is variable.  Holly Pharmaceuticals is recommended from Dr Dressler?    I saw a youtube video.  Vivid artemisinin .   The Takeaway is that all these capsules powdered  products have little to no artemisinin and this extract,  that they sell , is what is needed.   It is pricey.   they do quietly mention a discount for dogs and cats. I was using Artemisinin  artemix and butyrex  prophylactically but I’m going to stop that and only consider this product  when I hear symptoms of lung problems like coughing, sneezing ,lack of appetite etc.  The video includes  Dr. Lai  speaking as well.   Vivid atremisinin should pull up the you tube video 

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Luke, I found that 42 minute video right now and my warning bells are sounding. I won't even give this company the benefit of linking to their YouTube page.

scientifically proven to kill 98% of breast cancer cells (and over 70 other types of cancer) within 16 hours?!

Personally, I would avoid products from any company that makes claims like this. I know you want to do your best for Simon, and you absolutely are. But before you drop a penny on this, I hope you will read:

Artemisinin-Is It a Useful Drug for Cancer Treatment in Dogs?

Bottom Line
There is clear clinical trial evidence that artemisinin is useful in the management of malaria in humans, though there are some concerns about it losing its efficacy. Side effects are reported, but they are usually mild and uncommon.

There is some pre-clinical evidence (in vitro studies and lab animal studies) suggesting artemisinin and related compounds might have some benefit in cancer treatment. This is supported by a few uncontrolled case reports in humans. However, the limited clinical trial evidence does not generally support any real benefit for actual patients, human or canine. More research is needed to clarify whether there are circumstances in which the drug might be helpful, but it is by no means a reliable, proven cancer therapy.

Pre-clinical trials in dogs have found some potentially significant risks, which seem to be greater than those seen in humans. Some of these, such as changes in red blood cell production, have also been seen in the limited clinical trials done in dogs, but others have not.

Overall, there is enough evidence to support further controlled clinical research but not to use the treatment in patients outside the context of appropriate clinical trials designed to assess safety and efficacy.

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The youtube link is    vital artemisinin  

im not a believer.    Im also reluctant to try feco thc.  I have a 90 day supply   But my newest strategy is to not do much and give less meds. Etc.  unless I have signs of metastasis 

then. I try all the things im not much confident in.   For now my metronomics consists of piroxicam given every other day.  Monthly zoledronate and monthly labs. 

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For whatever it's worth, I think that's   good  sound strategy.  You are such a good advocate  for Simon.

And Simon may not ever get mets! If he did, however, you've done an outstanding  job on thoroughly  checking  out options and you could immediately  implement  some of the therapies  you've investigated.

Happy Hannah had a glorious additional bonus time of over one yr & two months after amp for osteo! She made me laugh everyday! Joined April's Angels after send off meal of steak, ice cream, M&Ms & deer poop!

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Good job! That’s great! Totally agree with Sally also.

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I have my 11 year old Golden on a very intense holistic protocal. She is so unlucky amd has nasal cancer as well as bone cancer. She had radiation for her nasal cancer and is 22 months post diagnosis. Her leg was amputated in January for a complete break from a bone tumor. So she is 8 months post amputation. I put a lot of late nights into researching her regimen. There is a lot of bogus info out there about cancer cures and supplements that will kill cancer. I am fortunate enough to have a degree in biology and be a nurse so i can understand the jargon in the medical research papers. Go with your gut when deciding what to give simon. Understand that there is really no cure for cancer amd that cancer does what it wants. They told me that my golden would only survive 6 months with her nasal cancer. That was 22 months ago. She had a clear chest xray in January when her leg was amputated and she had perfect bloodwork this month. My Holistic Vet said absolutely the supplements are why she is still alive. They havent cured her cancer but she is “living with cancer not dying from cancer”. The supplements did fix her hypothyroid and now her thyroid levels are normal. My opinion on the supplements is if she tolerates the, and they arent doing harm then maybe they are doing good. Everything i give her is human grade and natural. Nothing synthetic and the only drug she is on is Gabapentin. My regimen is probably over kill but if it aint broke why fix it. She gladly eats the pills whole just thrown in with her dry food. She gets immune boosters with breakfast and cancer fighters with dinner. Many of the supplements are to help delay limg mets so you dont want to wait until simon has symptoms. You want to give them now to help delay symptoms. Another supplement you may want to research is Sanshedan. It is a liquid that can help delay lung mets. Again, this is all just my opinion and just because it is working for my golden doesnt mean it will work for simon. 

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Go with your gut when deciding what to give simon. Understand that there is really no cure for cancer amd that cancer does what it wants. They told me that my golden would only survive 6 months with her nasal cancer. That was 22 months ago.

Wise advice! I am so happy she is doing well and kicking butt!

May I ask, who is your holistic vet? Are you seeing a conventional vet as well? And I can't recall but did she do chemo? Just curious about your pawesome cancer warrior!

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She really is beating the odds and i love her everyday. I know every dog takes a piece of you heart but when she goes it will be a slightly bigger piece. I used to raise Seeing eye puppies for blind people. So you get them at 7 weeks and then they return to the guide dog school at 22ish months. My first golden was a Seeing eye flunky. But Abby is the first dog i have had since 13 weeks and she was always mine. My holistic vet is also my regular vet. She is with House Paws in Mt Laurel, NJ. Abby did not do chemo. I did the six rounds of pallative radiation for her nasal cancer. Talked about doing oral chemo (palladia) but since nasal Osteosarcoma is so rare the cancer vets werent even sure it would work. I started her on holistic treatments and figured i would just love her and make her comfortable. That was 22 months ago. When she broke her leg in January i didnt have the tumor staged or typed. The amputation was really just to save her life, get rid of the pain and maybe give me another month or two with her. That was 8 months ago and she is kicking ass! The vet said he was 99% sure her leg tumor was a different Osteosarcoma or fibrosarcoma. Since i wasnt pursuing any treatment it didnt make sense to find out wHat is was. 

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I've totally hijacked this topic...but, WOW what a story! Thank you for sharing the details, I'm so in awe of how she has beaten the odds multiple times.

House Paws looks like a great practice. Is your vet Dr. Silvesti by any chance? I noticed she mentioned she has an interest in alternative medicine. She would make a great guest on Tripawd Talk Radio !

I think Abby needs her own Tripawd Tuesday spotlight. PM me if you want to send one to us. Thanks!

And now back to the artemisinin discussion....

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