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Separation Anxiety Extreme - HELP!
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12 June 2014 - 8:33 am
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I come here because I like this website better than all others--people often get on a high horse and aren't kind in helping to train up a dog. :)

Nia was adopted about 2 weeks ago and had lost her voice from barking so much in the shelter.  I didn't hear her bark for the first week.  When we left, she would come by the door and lay there until we got home.  Then you could hear her whine a bit--then a few muffled barks.  The last few times we left she would do a bark-howl ("bark-bark-hooowwl, bark-bark-hoooowl!") and it was unending. So, now the last 3-4 times we've left I haven't left her home because we live in an apartment and she just can't do that!  I do not know what to do!

My neighbor takes her for me sometimes and this morning we left and she watched her and she said she sat by her door and whined until we came back to get her.  When she is with us, she is the best dog ever...when we are away, she is completely out of sorts.  I need to nip this in the bud because the apartment manager can make me get rid of her if she becomes a problem.

PLEASE HELP!

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I had a dog w/separation anxiety when I first got her ... Shelby was relentless (not barking but crying). Is she crate trained?Does she like it in there? Or maybe put on some music for her? I would sometimes leave music or the TV on for Shelby. Or maybe something to do like a kong or a bone/toy.

I think Shelby ultimately out-grew it but I feel your pain ... it was brutal and my neighbors complained. Actually, for us, it was being IN the crate that made her cry non-stop. I am sure others will weigh-in!

Good luck!!!

 

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Shelby Lynne; Jack Russell/Shiba Inu mix. Proud member of the April Angels of 2014.

October 15, 2000 to April 8, 2014

Our story: Broke rear leg in June 2013 - non-conclusive results for cancer so leg was plated and pinned. Enlarged spleen in September 2013 and had it removed and was diagnosed with Hemangiosarcoma and started chemotherapy. Became a Tripawd January 8th, 2014 and definitive Hemangiosarcoma diagnosis. Three major surgeries in 7 months and Shelby took them all like a champ only to lose her battle to cancer in her brain. We had 8 amazing extra months together and no regrets. #shelbystrong #loveofmylife

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12 June 2014 - 9:56 am
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She's not crate trained to my knowledge.  I'd hate to fork over $100 for a crate she'll hate.  We have given her kongs with peanut butter right before we leave, but this super food motivated dog will leave it to follow us!  I have read that taking them out of a walk before leaving is helpful so we are trying that, although I can't always fit in a 15 minute walk right before we have to go somewhere.  I also read to not pay attention to them when coming or going and always to wait until they are calm before rewarding them with attention.  I can do this, but the kids haven't gotten a hang of it yet.

Keep ideas coming!

Sarah

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12 June 2014 - 10:36 am
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I come here because I like this website better than all others--people often get on a high horse and aren't kind in helping to train up a dog.

That's a huge compliment, thank you Sarah. This is a judgement-free zone, guaranteed.

The good news is that separation anxiety is common. The bad news is that it takes a lot of effort on your part to overcome it, you'll basically need to revert to puppy training mode even though you have an adult doggie.

Your situation reminds me a lot of Chloe, an old-time member whose mom was in the same situation, read through her post and subsequent responses for some great insight.

Our friend and super awesome dog behaviorist Sarah Wilson has some great separation anxiety tips on her website. In a nutshell here are some of her suggestions:

Dogs with separation issues have a hard time with… well… to state the obvious, separation. Want to help your dog? Then minimize the contrast between when you are home and when you’re not. This means, if you cuddle with your dog pretty much nonstop when you are home, you actually set your dog up for problems when he is alone. How can you make things easier for your dog? Start here: Minimize Contrast

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Right now, if you have a dog with separation issues, you are probably his safe place. As charming as that is, it may well be the taproot of your dog’s problem, because when you walk out the door, his safety goes with you. So our task is to create a safe place in your home that is always there when he needs it. Read more: Creating a Safe Spot

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What are the things that tell your dog that you are leaving soon? Picking up your car keys? Rummaging in your purse? Putting on work shoes?.

One of the ways you can help your Separation Anxiety dog is to defuse these triggers. Instead of them meaning you are leaving, they come to mean nothing at all.

Here’s an example of how to defuse the sound of keys. Comings and Goings: Defuse Triggers, Defuse Drama 

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Oh my gosh--yes that is us--Nia gets literally non-stop lovings when we are home and she has already learned that when I put my shoes on, I'm leaving.  I'm going to read through everything you've posted, Rene...I dread the one that might tell me to love on her less. 

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Tanner is my velcro dog, he has separation anxiety too (I can't walk from one side of the room to the other without him). He tore up the moulding around our front door when we went to put the trash out way-confused. We can't leave him to his own devices in the house alone. We'd end on one of those dog shaming slideshows, he'd have a sign around his neck and the couch would be torn to shreds in the background. So, we got a wire crate. I put a kong in there with him (I try to fill and freeze so it lasts a longer time) and I put on animal planet for him too big-grin. I know crates aren't cheap but it might be worth your investment. You may even be able to find one on Craigslist. He does bark for a little bit when we leave but he calms right down. I bet a crate could be Nia's "safe spot" too.

Tanner also has a really awful anxiety problem in the car (its really horrible), and we have found that exercise really is the ONLY way we can tolerate riding in a car with him. Luckily the dog park is not far away so when we try to hit the dog park before going anywhere of any distance with him. Its not ideal, but maybe some rounds of tug a war or fetch before you leave? I have also heard of people hiding interactive toys around the room for them to find. 

Just to throw it out there, I am very guilty of loving on Tanner all the time....but the poor fella lived on the streets in a nasty part of town for the first year of his life, he exhibits signs of having been beat AND he was hit by a car causing his leg to be amputated. So, I'm going to love on him as much as I can forever big-blink

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Does someone you know have a crate you can borrow for a few days? I too have heard that they can think of it as a safe place, kind of like a den. Not sure for Nia, as she was probably caged at the shelter. It is just too stinking hard not to love on them when you are at home. My lab had to pretty much sit right next to me when I was home, but to my knowledge did not bark a lot when I was away. What helped him was the fact that I had another dog. He was very dependant on his brother. The TV may help. I am sure that as she becomes more secure and realizes you come back, she will get better also. Have you tried just leaving for like 1 minute and then coming back and giving her a goodie then 2 minutes, I know, not practical, but just throwing stuff out there. She is so special, she so reminds me of my TY. Looks just like him. Sleeps like him too. She is lucky to have found your family. Love from, Lori and TY

TY GUY, Best Black Lab ever! Diagnosed  and had amp in January, 2014. Kicked MRSA's butt. Earned his angel wings on April 16, 2014. Run Free my boy and don't forget a shoe. Ty is a proud member of the " April Angels". Ty sent us Daryl, a Tripawd rescue in Sept. of 2016. Daryl is 5 +or -. We are also Pawrents to Chandler, a Border Collie mix who is 15 and 1/2, Lucy, a Corgi who is 7, 2 minis, 2 horses, and a feisty cat named Zoe. Zoe had a non skeletal Osteosarcoma removed in July 2015. No Chemo, she was at least 16. She is going strong although she is now completely blind. She is now close to 20 and her hobbies are eating and sleeping in front of her personal heater. 

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12 June 2014 - 9:32 pm
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Lexie had bad separation anxiety when I got her from the shelter. A combo of things, some already mentioned above, eventually helped.
-Exercise first...a tired dog is far less anxious (Cesar M got that one right).
-Feed just a wee bit less at breakfast time, and give a few high value treats when leaving.
-Don't make a big fuss or say more than a couple of words when leaving (ideally the trainers tell you to say nothing when exiting, don't even give them a pat...good luck with that!).
-Likewise don't make a big fuss when you get home. Try to avoid eye contact and don't touch them or acknowledge them for 2-3 minutes.start with ignoring for 1 minute and work your way up,to 2 then 3 (sort the mail, grab a drink, whatever -- take your focus off them until the minutes are up, then love on them).
^^The two above was the hardest for me, but probably did the most to get her less anxious. Amazing how they take their cues from us.
-Find a special toy she loves and only let her have it when you leave the house. When you come back, you can give 1 treat and then the toy goes in the closet until next time. For Lexie and Milo, their bye-bye routine involves squeakies. They love making noise with them, and the squeaking drives me nuts so it's a win-win. For an apartment dog maybe try one of those quieter squeakies?
-Once you have the right exit treat and toy, practice on the weekends and work up to longer times incrementally...start at just 10 minutes, then in the afternoon 20, and longer the next day.

Great suggestion to borrow a crate to try it out. I have a feeling she'll like it. definitely try CraigsList first to save $, or ask your vet if you can put up a flyer at their office for 'crate wanted.' I've also heard about CDs of relaxing music to calm anxious dogs.

Also, have you heard about Thunder Shirt? it may be worth a try. Good luck and keep us posted!

Deb and Angel Lexie* Diagnosed at age 13. Tried radiation first; wish we had amputated upon diagnosis (even with lung mets). Joined Club Tripawd April 2014 & Lexie loved life on 3 legs! Advice: Start physical therapy as soon as your vet clears it, especially hydrotherapy if available :-) See Lexie pics here.  

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I went through sep anx with Boomer when I brought him home.  The first time I left him in his plastic crate (which he had been trained in at the sanctuary and had no issues while he was there), I was gone for about three hours and he pooped and peed in the crate and drooled himself a swimming pool.  It was a mess!  The next morning, my Mom and I had to take our family dog, Shelby, to the vet as she had started having seizures overnight.  When we came home 45 minutes later, Boomer had chewed an 8x8" hole in the side of his plastic crate and had pulled my entire queen size comforter into the crate with him - needless to say, the comforter was destroyed, so I let him keep it in a new wire crate for snuggles and my scent.  Essentially, for the first three weeks that I was home with him, I couldn't leave the house without somebody else here to watch him.  Fortunately, I hadn't found a job yet, so I was able to work around his needs.  I decided to stop crating him and just try leaving him closed in my bedroom with Amy (my other dog) because I basically had to wrestle him into the crate anyway.  That simple change did make a difference for him but I still bought a wire crate for him to sleep in at night thinking that if I could get him comfortable overnight in it, he would then be comfortable when I was away, but it didn't translate for him.  Being crated with me in the room was never really an issue for him but when I tried to crate him and leave, he would panic.  I tried to work him up to it before his amputation, but then the addition of the soft cone in the crate freaked him out to no end (pain meds also played a role I'm sure) and I ultimately had to take my bed apart, put the mattress on the floor, and leave him closed in my room as usual - just without anything to jump on and off.

To work through the sep anx in those first few weeks after I adopted him, I found the most effective approach to be the leave and come right back method that has sort of already been mentioned.  I started out by putting them in my room like I was leaving and close the door, then open it almost immediately.  Each time I closed the door, I would stretch the interval by a little more - 5 seconds, 8 seconds, 15 seconds, 30 seconds, 40 seconds and take a few steps away from the door, 1 minute and go to the end of the hall until we worked our way up to an hour of me sitting quietly upstairs reading while they were closed in my room.  Then I started going outside but for maybe only 10-15 minutes at first, then more, then I opened the garage door and drove my car out but didn't actually leave the driveway.  It was a lot of baby steps. 

My goal was to never let him get to the panic point.  I wanted the experience to always end before he hit that freak out so I would listen very closely and I quickly started to know when the he was starting to worry and I would end it before he escalated.  If I waited too long and he started yowling and freaking out, I would go back to a shorter interval the next time - if he panicked at 5 minutes, I would go back to 3 minutes the next time and inch my way back up from there.  It can definitely feel like a two steps forward one step back process initially but you will be able to hear it more and know when to call it quits.  I would hear Boomer start to move around more and that told me he was getting close and it was time to open the door.

I would never make a big deal about them going in my room or coming out, I didn't love on him when I opened the door (hard, I know, but it really helped keep his excitement down and that translated to staying calmer overall) and almost had to act like he wasn't even there.  It was really important for him to keep things as calm as possible and that included not being happy-excited or lovey-excited, any excitement makes him not calm and not calm made him panic more quickly.  If he knows that when the door opens nothing super-duper exciting is going to happen, he isn't so anxious for it to open, if that makes sense.  I still loved on him when we were hanging out at home, but I just didn't do it when I was leaving or getting home.

In the course of a day, I would do as many sessions as I could without overwhelming him.  Initially, I would do maybe a 5 minute session of basically just closing the door for a few seconds up to maybe 30-45 seconds.  I'd give him a break for an hour or so and we'd do some more but the next time I would start near the amount of time I ended on last time - if the last time we made it to 45 seconds, I would start with a goal of 30 this time (listening closely in case he started getting too nervous) and work up from there.  Once I got to the point where I was doing longer periods, I would do one "door closing" at a time with somewhat shorter breaks in between.  If he did okay for 15 minutes in my room, I would give him 30-45 minutes out then do 17 minutes in then another 30-45 out then maybe 20 in until I was able to actually leave the house.  The first few times that I left the house (as in, got in the car and drove away, not just faked it and sat in the driveway), my Mom stayed home, very quietly, just in case he melted down after I left.  I would leave for short periods of time and, just like I had with closing the door, build up a little more each time.  A few trainer friends told me that once you hit the four hour mark with a sep anx dog, you are probably alright, sep anx is much less likely to kick in after that point (of course, with some dogs, that is when you start to run into potty needs, but that is another issue).  It can be difficult and overwhelming to work through at first but it can be done!  If your neighbor is willing to watch her when you have to leave and nobody in your home can stay with her, that will be really good for Nia.  You might also consider enrolling her in daycare for a few weeks while you work through the anxiety issues, so that when everybody has to leave the house, she can go somewhere positive and perhaps not have so much anxiety.  Daycare isn't cheap but if you can swing it for a few weeks worth of sessions, that might help the process.  It is hard to manage schedules and everything during the desensitization process but doing so can really help ensure Nia is not forced to be alone and reach the panic point because that will push the whole training process way back.  For now, think of her like a three-year old who always needs a babysitter, be it someone in your family, your neighbor, a friend, or daycare.

If you do think you want to get a crate for her, ask around at your local pet supply stores to find out what their return policies are.  At the store where I work, we accept returns on virtually everything in the store (including crates) for any reason for up to 90 days (and it does not have to be in resellable condition).  It is an investment, but it is a little easier to make if you know that you can take it back if things just really don't work out with it.

-Allison

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I just thought of something else. You have 3 kids right? I had 4 ( they are grown) and my house was always busy and noisy. Maybe the quiet is too much for her. So maybe the Tv/ radio would help some. Again, just throwing stuff out there. I am certainly not an expert, I am still struggling with getting my Corgi outside to go potty when it is raining. Lori and Ty

TY GUY, Best Black Lab ever! Diagnosed  and had amp in January, 2014. Kicked MRSA's butt. Earned his angel wings on April 16, 2014. Run Free my boy and don't forget a shoe. Ty is a proud member of the " April Angels". Ty sent us Daryl, a Tripawd rescue in Sept. of 2016. Daryl is 5 +or -. We are also Pawrents to Chandler, a Border Collie mix who is 15 and 1/2, Lucy, a Corgi who is 7, 2 minis, 2 horses, and a feisty cat named Zoe. Zoe had a non skeletal Osteosarcoma removed in July 2015. No Chemo, she was at least 16. She is going strong although she is now completely blind. She is now close to 20 and her hobbies are eating and sleeping in front of her personal heater. 

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Sarah, just saw this book and thought of you. She doesn't necessarily advocate for the tough love approach so maybe you might find this more your style? Scroll down, it's called "Don't Leave Me!"

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Wow! Thank you everyone for your replies!

Some things are working that have been mentioned. I take her for a walk every time before i have to leave (this will suck come winter) and that absolutely helps--I've left for a couple hours and she is no longer laying right by the door having barked her brains out. I usually walk her in, take the leash off and walk right out without saying anything to her and I don't hear a word.

giving her a treat right before a leave didn't work unless it was already available and I didn't hand it to her personally. So I will put her kong of PB in her dish or something because she always goes for water when we come back from a walk and then notices it's there, by that time I've already left.

I'll keep you posted, again, thank you so much for all of your ideas!!!
Sarah

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