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Holly's about to become a tripawd... Tomorrow
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13 April 2020 - 12:07 pm
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Thanks everyone!!!

She just ate half a slice of roast beef!!!! 

It's absolutely lovely to be reunited. We've never been apart. 

So medication wise she's on gabapentin 25mg 3 times a day, paracetamol twice a day and amoxycilin antibiotics twice a day and she weighs 6. 79lbs (pre amp she weighed 7.28lbs so is that the actual loss of the leg or has she lost weight??)

Got all the treats in, including hot dogs, cheeseburgers, cream cheese, smoked cheese, ham, beef, chicken etc! All her faves.

Yummy water is such a good idea! I think Holly would be just like your Happy Hannah and lap that up. I'll give that a go!

We just had a good massage session as she was sat up for a while and our vet said massage will help any aches. She also mentioned using ice packs? Has anyone any experience with these?

She's not peed for me yet but the vet said she pooped this morning. I'll try her again in about an hour. 

I'm definitely jumping ahead. If I'd had my leg off I'd probably want to sleep and not care about food. We expect a lot from animals haha.

I've checked out wheelchairs, just in case we end up needing one. But my vet is confident she'll manage without due to size and muscle tone etc. 

Thanks for the congratulations guys, we are very happy and very sleepy. Will update later. 

This site is an absolute God send smiley_clap

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13 April 2020 - 12:39 pm
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Welcome home Holly!

Another thing we see here is that older pups sometimes take a bit longer to get their balance and motivation to move.  The meds can also really wack them out.

And as hard as it is don't compare Holly's recovery to other dogs.  Each pup heals on their own timeline.  Good job staying positive with her- I made that mistake during Maggie's recovery.  She was grumpy, I was grumpy- we fed off each other and it certainly didn't help either of us.  Some lucky pups act like they didn't recently have a major surgery.  Some pups end up at the vet for a few extra days.  My Pug Maggie could hop on her own the day of surgery but then spent most of the next six weeks in her bed.

So stay positive with her and take notice of each small victory- sitting up, eating, etc.  She will be amazing you soon!

Karen and the Spirit Pug Girls

Tri-pug Maggie survived a 4.5 year mast cell cancer battle only to be lost to oral melanoma.

1999 to 2010

 

              Maggie's Story                  Amputation and Chemo

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13 April 2020 - 6:25 pm
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Update

We had to go the emergency vets. She started crying, almost screaming in pain. It was absolutely awful and I feel terrible. My hearts breaking and I asked the vet if she needed to go to rainbow bridge but vet said it happens sometimes and she just needs stronger pain meds. She had an 8 hour opiate based injection and I have to call our normal vet at 8am.

Anxious and sad times at the moment. 

She's sleeping now, vet said the injection will knock her out. 

Pray for us 

Hols mum xo

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13 April 2020 - 6:28 pm
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Oh, Sophie!  I'm so sorry to hear that but so thankful that you were able to bring Holly to an emergency vet for stronger pain medication.  You must be feeling incredibly sad and stressed right now.  Please know that I am sending you love and peace from NYC.  Please keep us posted on Holly's progress and may she have sweet dreams tonight!

Griffin lived an amazing life for 11 years! Diagnosed with osteosarcoma on March 17, 2020, Griffin's right forelimb was amputated on April 2, 2020. Ten days later he was running and playing fetch! Lung metastasis discovered in July 2020 did not slow down Griffin and he lived joyfully for the next 7 months, passing peacefully at home on February 11, 2021. https://griffin.tripawds.com

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13 April 2020 - 6:31 pm
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Thank you Stacy!

It was heartbreaking to witness and the worst and longest drive of my life for a 15 minute journey  

I hope she stays peaceful, she's resting now. 

Will keep you all posted 

Calling vet in am 

Hols mum xo

Virginia



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13 April 2020 - 7:45 pm
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That must  have just been so awful for you!!!  So sorry you had to endure that!  As hard as this was on uou, it is NOT anything  that would require even the remotest  thought  about the Rainbow Bridge, okay?? 

As the ER Vet said, it is about getting  the pain managed. 

Okay, take some deep breaths and know that she is zonked out now and NOT in pain! 

Check out this link to phantom pain .  Phantom limb pain is something  that occurs sometimes  after limb amputation. The cut nerves are still firing  off signals to a leg that is no longer there and it causes  intense pain.  It shows up instantly  and loud yelps and screams. The dog will often try to "run away from the pain.  It "usually" lasts maybe a couple  of minutes.  It sounds like this intense  pain went on the whole ride to the ER? 

It IS treatable.  Gabapentin  is the medication  that is commonly  used to treat this.  Since she is already in it, she may need to have it increased.

Does she have staples or stitches?  Either way, it could even be a stitch  irnstaple pulling or poking the wound.

Another possibility that we've seen and, again, treatable.  Not explaining  this in medical terms, but some a nerve can be left "dangling".  It didn't  get closed off.  Needless to say as it's "dangling around" exposed it can cause excruciating  pain.  This doesn't  happen too often but, again, it is treatable.  and it requires a bit  of surgery  to get that nerve  identified  and closed off.

Hang in there and stay connected.   This is one reason we call recovery  a roller coaster.  It's full of ups and downs the first week or so.

Sending pawsitive energy and lots of extra hugs.  Update as you can.  And remember,  Holly and  you have  some good Guardian Angels watching over you❤❤❤

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Sally and Alumni Happy Hannah and Merry Myrtle and Frankie too!

Happy Hannah had a glorious additional bonus time of over one yr & two months after amp for osteo! She made me laugh everyday! Joined April's Angels after send off meal of steak, ice cream, M&Ms & deer poop!

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13 April 2020 - 7:47 pm
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Good job advocating for Holly.

I went back and looked at what pain meds she came home with and I do think (my non-vet opinion) that there is room to adjust to get her more comfortable.

We see here often that pups come home with something like tramadol and gabapentin and an anti-inflammatory and then sometimes and antibiotic.  She had the gaba but I don't think the paracetamol is strong enough for amp recovery.  There is discussion that tramadol is not as effective as once thought but there are other strong pain meds that can be used. 

I'm glad she is comfortable now- let us know what happens at the vet tomorrow.

Karen and the Spirit Pug Girls

Tri-pug Maggie survived a 4.5 year mast cell cancer battle only to be lost to oral melanoma.

1999 to 2010

 

              Maggie's Story                  Amputation and Chemo

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13 April 2020 - 7:55 pm
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Thanks guys, your kind and encouraging words mean a lot to us 

I think her pain management needs adjustment, definitely need stronger meds for a little while. 

I've never heard her cry like that it was major distress but the vet said she stopped as soon as she went in with them (I wasn't allowed in due to coronavirus!)

I really worried it was the end, but she's calm now and I'm just hoping she stays asleep and comfy overnight til my vets open tomorrow.

I think it might be phantom pain , or even a side effect of coming off opiates too quickly? She did support herself sitting so maybe she overdid it.

Some people have said I should have had her PTS (not on this site!) but I really think she can do it, with the correct meds.

Thank you so much, you're all keeping me going 

It's late where we are so I'm going to try and catch a few hours camped out next to Hol 

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Holsmum xo 

Virginia



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13 April 2020 - 8:03 pm
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I know you're  heading to bed, but I didn't  realize  she's at home, not the ER, right??  I'm glad.  

And for goodness sakes, STAY CONNECTED!!  Do not listen to those "others"!   This is just a bump in the recovery that will get figured out and treated!

And YAY for sitting up!!!  Ahe could have tweaked something, or it could have been in part coming off opiates,  but most likely she just needs better pain management , and it needs to be consistent. 

Okay...night-night....prayers sent❤

Happy Hannah had a glorious additional bonus time of over one yr & two months after amp for osteo! She made me laugh everyday! Joined April's Angels after send off meal of steak, ice cream, M&Ms & deer poop!

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14 April 2020 - 1:20 am
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Hey thanks so much

She's home yeah, she slept for about 4 hours and woke at 5am crying screaming again. My vets doesn't open til 9am but been on the phone to the ER vets about 5 times for advice. 

They think she's confused rather than in pain but I still think she needa more pain meds

Feeling very worried and wondering if she'll pull through this..

Keep prayers coming please xo

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14 April 2020 - 7:16 am
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Update

She needs antibiotics as she has an infection and she's staying over night for fluids and pain relief. 

Vet is concerned that she's too frail to cope on 3 legs

I feel so bad guys. I was just trying to give her a chance 

Hols mum

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14 April 2020 - 8:47 am
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Hi Sophie.  It sounds like Holly is getting what she needs right now in terms of antibiotics and pain meds.  I know it is easy to fall into a mindset of doubt amidst all of this uncertainty and fear, but you are the one who knows Holly best and if you thought this was the right treatment option for her, you need to trust that you are correct.  Is it unbelievably hard right now?  Yes.  Will it get easier?  Yes.  You need to make sure that you are taking care of yourself at this time so that you can remain positive, encouraging, and supportive for Holly.  From what you have shared, Holly seems like a spunky pup and I'm betting that she gets that from her mama!  Griffin and I are sending you lots of positive vibes from NYC!  ~ Stacy

Griffin lived an amazing life for 11 years! Diagnosed with osteosarcoma on March 17, 2020, Griffin's right forelimb was amputated on April 2, 2020. Ten days later he was running and playing fetch! Lung metastasis discovered in July 2020 did not slow down Griffin and he lived joyfully for the next 7 months, passing peacefully at home on February 11, 2021. https://griffin.tripawds.com

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14 April 2020 - 9:00 am
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Stacy and Griffin, 

Thank you!

Hols usually a little fighter, so I have a lot of faith in her as well as my ability to be able to be there and support her in her new way of life 

I think the last 24 hours have just thrown me, I've never heard a dog make a sound like she did, she sounded like a newborn baby crying. I felt awful and still do.

I really hope the next day gives Hol what she needs to recover and be more comfortable - fingers crossed.

It's concerning that the vet says her arthritis might make recovery impossible though. Although I can get her a wheelchair if pain is managed 

Holsmum xo

Virginia



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14 April 2020 - 9:30 am
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It is soooooo  very hard  not to second  guess yourself, especially with these extra challenges!   We just know it's too early to be giving  up.  Solutions are jn the works, okay??  As Stacy said, it will get easier.  She just needs to proper evaluation and treatment  accordingly. 

.  AolI joined this communion day six saying something like, "Help! Its day six and I feel I have ,made a horrible decision !".  Thuis community  through me a lifeline of knowledge, and support. I EVENTUALLY  went from "What have I done TO my dog?"  to. "Thank goodness I did this FOR my dog!"

This is waaay too early to make an assess about her mobility  right now, okay?  We have lots of suggestions  along those lines, but right now put that concern aside.  I know it's ja4d, but that will work itself out.  A Certified  Rehabilitation  Specialist  is what whe needs to get her back on track, but first the pain, and cause of pain, needs to get managed.

Where do you live?  We can find a Rehab Vet for you AND the Tripawds Foundation   will pay for the first visit.

As much as you love this Vet and as wond as she is to keep Holly overnight  again, I would strongly  suggest a second opinion.  Do you have an Orthopedic Surgeon in your area?  

Concern number one is about the infection.  How did she determine that?  And Holky is already on amoxicillin,  right?  Is she going to change the antibiotic?   How does the incision  look?

Prior to surgery, were there any signs of  arthritis?  Any signs of back or disc issues??   Unless their is some hidden, underlying issue that was not detected  about her legs or back,  this is to early to say she's "too weak" to handle three legs.  She's a senior.  She's in pain.  It's still very early after MAJOR surgery.  Of course she's wobbly.  Again, try not to worry about mobility at this point.

Another concern which we repeat so often here is pain management .  Not a Vet of course, but this sure doesn't  sound like "confusion"!!

Did you have a chance to mention the phantom  pain or nerves still being exposed from the surgery??

In all her pre-OP bloodwork, xrays, etc, no hint of any issues there, right.  Double  check with your Vet.

Doubt that she's pooped, right?  But has she been peeing?

Oh, and ask about Rimadyl.  It's an anti inflammatory  and it helps with arthritis of she has that.

I did mean to ask so many questions, but just trying to let you know things just need to be given and bit more time AND things need to be investigated  further about the cause and the pain and proper treatment.

Can only imagine  how hard and scary this is.  It's easy to say "hang on", but we know she will get past this, okay??  She needs the proper  evaluation and finding  the cause ofnthe pain and treating  it accordingly.    

We have a volunteer TRIPAWDS HELPLINE  staffed by those of is who have been through all aspects of this journey.   If someone  doesn answer right away, just leave a voicemail  and we'll call you back.  Jist me tion "Holly" and we'll know the backstory.  We love that little dog and we are all pulling for her!!

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Love and hugs❤

Sally and Alumni Happy Hannah and Merry Myrtle and Frankie too!

Happy Hannah had a glorious additional bonus time of over one yr & two months after amp for osteo! She made me laugh everyday! Joined April's Angels after send off meal of steak, ice cream, M&Ms & deer poop!

Virginia



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14 April 2020 - 9:34 am
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Oh...I just saw upir post....so she DOES have arthritis???  Did the Bet think that was a huge issue before surgeru??    

Regardless, even really bad arthritis  is definitely  doable!.  Again, I go back to using a Rehabilitation Specialist  as soon as she gets a little bit further in recovery.  Also, Adequan injections  can do wonders too.  

Happy Hannah had a glorious additional bonus time of over one yr & two months after amp for osteo! She made me laugh everyday! Joined April's Angels after send off meal of steak, ice cream, M&Ms & deer poop!

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