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WONDERFUL UPDATE!!!! I'VE BEEN HOLDING MY BREATH ALL DAY THAT THINGS WOULD GO WELL!!
I'm so glad you have the support and first hand knowledge of Petra and Holly! You jad differe t takes in some afeas, and the same take others. That gave you such good parameters for you to formulate the route you felt most comfortable going with.
So I'll just continue to cheer Spirit on from the grandstands and follow as Holly and Petra continue to give you such good tips!
TRY and get some rest! Spirit may have a few restless nights ahead. Then again, maybe not!
Hugs
Sally and Alumni Happy Hannah and Merry Myrtle and Frankie too!
Happy Hannah had a glorious additional bonus time of over one yr & two months after amp for osteo! She made me laugh everyday! Joined April's Angels after send off meal of steak, ice cream, M&Ms & deer poop!
Hi all! >^-.-^<
Thanks for the encouragement & well wishes!
I enjoyed your replies, and the tips were super helpful! Nice to see Purrkins again, Holly & to know his skin sag was similar!
The little man is doing well & is rocking an altered newborn onesie! I didn't get to sew up the arm, so he has a little submarine portal near the top, but the incision is covered. I even found a onesie that says "Tiny Wonder" for the Tiny Loving Man!
He had one pee accident yesterday morning, but that's expected, no doubt! I'm a little worried that he hasn't gone to the bathroom at all since though but he has been rather doped up... & has been eating well, and keeping good balance! He hasn't really fallen at all, just a little stumbling when I needed him to move to get a pee pad underneath and he didn't want to move. He's perked right up and even wanted to leave the cage each time I have food for him, and of course, his brother has been monkey-arming into the cage to get at his food! 😛 So I've had to keep him locked away while they eat. I got to ice him a little last night, but not much the first night, he was uncomfortable with it then & moaned a bit. I noticed him breathing a little heavy just in rest today, which made me concerned of course, but it didn't last long.
And check this out... this is embarrassing, and I really should have known but...(here come the excuses! :P) considering he was laying on his left side (right was amputated) much of the time, and I was focused on the incision side, keeping it covered, making sure it looks ok, etc... and because the vet tech and instructions did not mention this at all... I neglected to realize that they left on two tight wraps around his legs that were covering up the IV & catheter entry points - one on his front leg & one on his back! So... as you can imagine after 24 hours with them on and my not realizing it, his front paw was all swelled up! I panicked at seeing it, thinking "Oh my, is this the cancer coming back strong suddenly now on this other paw?" Then I looked closer and saw the bandage tight on his leg, and I felt some relief; removed it immediately, while feeling awful for not having done so sooner... then seeing the back one too (hadn't swollen up like the front though), I removed that as well & massaged his legs to try to get the blood flowing back again. Aye! I ended up talking to the vet and telling them about it, and how I hadn't been told to take them off/was made aware of them, and she made a note in my file and said to mention it to the tech when I come back to have his sutures removed. I really should have known, but still... in case I wasn't someone who didn't figure these things out for myself - they really should have said something.
While the little guy was resting between meds and meals, I checked out some more links from Holly & through the tripawds site, enjoyed some of the tripawd kitty blogs - there was one especially that was written from the viewpoint of the kitty that I enjoyed! (will have to look back and find the name, very entertaining!), saw a very active and impressive Purrkins on YouTube!, and rocked back & forth listening to some beautiful Allensong music too! ^_^ Petra, you & your voice are beautiful! & I think I saw a pre-tripawd Stu in one video walking with you & your husband in the woods!
I got to talk to my mom, Holly last night, and she was pretty shocked to hear the new about Spirit becoming a tripawd! She knew we'd been considering it, but we hadn't touched based for a couple of weeks. She asked right away about Kiko too, how he was handling it/if he was jealous of the attention Spirit's been getting... and I said - "Kiko always wants all of the attention!" Yup. Those guys in their 20s seeking attention, I tell ya! (Meanwhile, Spirit is supposedly 76/77!)
Looking forward to more progress as Spirit's healing continues. I think he had a great advantage to basically be using 3-legs already for so long with the other one always wrapped up/him hopping on 3-legs and not wanting to put pressure on/use the 4th.
Oh! I really need to get this blog going, so I can share pics more easily & such! The amount of shaving they did to him is a little excessive! Because he had lost so much weight, where his remaining shoulder blade & spine meet is a very sharp and boney sight with no fur to cover it. I'm actually not as freaked out as I thought I would be upon seeing the incision and just... my little guy without his other limb. I think after seeing the exploding paw for so long, I've become acclimated to otherwise unsightly / gory visions. This is kind of HUGE for me too, because I used to faint at the sight of blood! Anyone else who's seen Spirit so far (1 in person, a few in pics) has had a bit of a shock/awe though. I had already prepared of course too, seeing images of other amputees... and I told him, he's my little guy, and I love him unconditionally. <3
Hey, it's the weekend - hope you're all enjoying it in whatever ways make your hearts feel light!
Gratitude & well wishes to all! Love, Crystal & Tripawd Tiny Wonder Whitey & Kiko Rei
Glad to hear Spirit/Whitey is doing so well! That is FANTASTIC!
I am sure he had a little advantage with the bad paw & limping for a while. I hope he is feeling relieved of that explosive paw.
The sag may tighten up and it may not. Purrkins has compared to where it was. His was filled with fluids and then it was just hanging skin. That got better too but it is not tight like some kitties. Never will be.
Great on the onesie just make sure Spirit cannot get to the incision. Did you get newborn size since Spirit is so tiny just curious.
As for the peeing incident? I’m assuming were he was laying or ?
I am hoping he has peed by the time this posts, but if not have you physically put Spirit in his litter box? I would try putting him in the box after he eats or wakes, that maybe all you have to do. It might help to move the litter box out of the cage if your right there with him! Is he drinking at all? Is he eating wet food?
I helped Purrkins in the box for the first couple of days home until he was able to hop in on his own. In the hospital Purrkins peed where he was laying fyi. Since Spirit came home the same day this doesn't surprise me. I would still try placing him in his box and see if that helps.
We look forward to seeing pictures of Spirit the Tiny Loving Man in his Tiny wonder onesie! Would love to see Kiko too.
I would really love to read Spirit has peed and it doesn't matter to me where right now just so he pees!
Chin scratches to both Kiko and Spirit! Rest is best! Heal well buddy &
PEE Ok ?
Hugs
Holly & Purrkins❤️
Spirit is doing really well for a "mature" kitty who just had major surgery! In fact, soing very well for any kitty, young or old, just a few daysnpost amp! The fact that he has some mobility alreadynis quite impressive!
And yes.....We're waiting for the happy pee dance!-! And Holly, quite imlressed that you found a PEE EMOJI thing!
Hugs
Sally and Alumni Happy Hannah and Merry Myrtle and Frankie too!
Happy Hannah had a glorious additional bonus time of over one yr & two months after amp for osteo! She made me laugh everyday! Joined April's Angels after send off meal of steak, ice cream, M&Ms & deer poop!
Hello again ~
I'll try to get some pics up if I can soon! He's been resting a lot today... The onesie fits fine/not too tight & yes, it's newborn size.
The pee incident the other day was him peeing near the box but not in it, but since then, he's gotten a little worse with where he's going - peeing in the bed or where he's been sleeping a couple of times (easy to clean up because I put a pee pad underneath - one that doesn't have the "attractor" stuff, hoping it wouldn't encourage peeing on the pads, since many other pee pads seemed to have this!), which made cleaning him up with some baby wipes & changing his onesie necessary, but happy pee indeed! ^_^ Though still no poop! I called to let the vet know that he had still not pooped yet and they said to call back tomorrow if it was the same.
I did very carefully take him out and put him in his normal litter pan, to see if he would go, and he just sat/laid down in it 🙁 I also tried putting him in the pan in the cage to no avail... Really hoping he poops soon! They were supposed to check his anal glands at surgery time because he'd been taking very small poops up until that point & regular vet suggested he needed anal glands expressed... but they forgot. Maybe I already mentioned that anyway... So Thursday night he was home from surgery, and I don't think he pooped from his 3 meals on Wednesday either, so now it's Sunday night and still no poop!?!?
He drank a little water yesterday but nothing today and hasn't been eating much food today too, which was frustrating and saddening... I got him to eat a little spoonful of baby food (turkey with butternut squash) in the morning and about 1/4 (a little less) regular-size can of food total through the eve - split among a few different flavors. I decided to give him mirtazapine to try to stimulate his appetite, and that may still be kicking in, but was not great since it stresses him out to take pills (also why I haven't syringe fed yet), but I got it in there successfully with some butter on it. He was interested in food a little... When I brought different ones to him, he would lick them but not really eat/get any in his mouth for awhile - showing great excitement/eagerness hearing his brother get dry food so I even offered that and he perked up, but then just pushed the pieces around on the plate! He even hopped to the kitchen when I put down the no-skid rug and let him come out if he wanted while I got his food ready/on the plate, but then just sat down/laid on the rug when I put the plate on the raised up thing for him. He's eaten more when I actually hold the plate to him while he's in his bed.
Another concern is his breathing has been kind of shallow and quick at times... deep lung breaths I can hear... Which of course made it even harder for me to want to give him the mirtazapine pill/stress him and also lift him/take him to the pan, thinking it would make his breathing worse. The breathing, combined with the not pooping and only eating 1/4 can of food today & being less active until he hopped out of the cage, made me wonder if I should call emergency, but basically my housemate got into an argument with me about it and doesn't think it would be worth going in. (We share a car).
Prayers & good vibes welcome! Gotta go give him Gabba now...
Love & Gratitude ~
Crystal & the boys
You're doi g such a good job of caring for Spirit! I know you have ro be exhausted, so TRY and get some rest when you can.
I can only address the poop and not eating from a "dog perspective". Pooping is usually delayed several days after surgery. The meds, surgery, adjusting to three legs, etc all sort of "clog things up" for a bit.
The cat experts will chime in, but NATURAL pumpkin puree with NO added anything helps dogs to "move things along" I wouldn't even begin to know the a ount, but it would be a pretty small amount for a tiny kitty.
Not having a good appetite for a few days is not unusual either. The drinking is important. It sounds like he's peeing okay now...even if it's a bit all pver the place!
Certainly if you have ANY concerns about the breathing, you can always take her to the Vet. Having the met issue, she could have a @ittle respiratory thing going on. It could also simply be the meds, possibly a bit of pain from the surgery, etc.
Check out the Tripawd Kitty thread as I'm sure there are lots of tips to help with eating and drinking. I'm sure youve tried tuna water.
Sorry I'm not much help. Just reminding you that it is still early jn recovery and Spirit does show signs of some spunk hppi g to the kitchen and at lesst showing interest in food! The meds can cause a bit of nausea roo sometimes.
Sending lots of good vibes straight to Spirit, along with @ots of cheering for a good recovery!! 🙂
Hugs
Sally and Alumni Happy Hannah and Merry Myrtle and Frankie too!
Happy Hannah had a glorious additional bonus time of over one yr & two months after amp for osteo! She made me laugh everyday! Joined April's Angels after send off meal of steak, ice cream, M&Ms & deer poop!
I will address what I miss tomorrow when I am awake. We must be different time zones.
The not pooping is normal from the meds, is Spirit still on pain meds? What is he still on? Just Gaba?
Purrkins went 7 days without pooping. I gave him 1/16th tsp Miralax on the 6th day and 1/8 tsp on the 7th day. We got BM day 8. You can do that sooner if you wish to and I don’t know how you will feel about the Miralax, I use it because it goes undetected. If Spirit is not eating, I would add a little water with the Miralax and syringe it to him. I give this to Purrkins brother Saxtons 2X daily to keep him regular. I give him 1/2 tsp 2 x a day, what I gave Purrkins was tiny amounts.
I agree with Sally, pumpkin is great IF you can get it in him. I have never had luck with our cats and pumpkin. I have tried. But it is worth a try. I also agree do not hesitate to call the Vet with any concerns especially on the breathing that is what they are there for! Please do not hesitate to phone them. I also agree the food intake will not be normal and have you tried raising the food bowl? Hand feeding him? It is not easy for them to bend over, raising the food bowl in any way or just holding it may help. Pet Spirit when you go to feed him see if that helps. Sometimes gently stroking them down the back can help.
I am sorry you & your housemate had to get into an argument over this. That is the last thing you need, If you are concerned call the vet and if the housemate doesn’t agree can they go elsewhere while Spirit recovers? No added stress is needed in recovery NONE. If that is the only vehicle then call someone else. If it is shared get it and go if needed. Call the vet and if they think he needs to be seen then tell your housemate WE are going!
I hope it is not needed but if your instinct is telling you something is wrong then follow that instinct! Did Spirit ever pee?
I will check back tomorrow and see how you made out.
Hang in there and do not hesitate to call, housemate can post here, I would be happy to help in that manner;) Just saying! GRRR
Hugs,
Holly & Purrkins❤️
Crystal, 3-paws up to you for your great attitude! Your optimnism and humor comes through in your posts, Spirit is so lucky to have you looking after him.
I totally agree that you need to listen to your gut. Talk to the vet to help ease your worries, even a phone call can help. Yep, it's early in recovery right now but it can't hurt to make a list of his current behaviors and relay them to the vet. Give them an update tomorrow and then let us know what they said OK?
Tripawds Founders Jim and Rene
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Hi all, thank you again for the helpful responses, encouraging words & support! I did end up going to the emergency and got out around 4am... Spirit is stable at home now and resting. More below! <3
Purrkins said
The not pooping is normal from the meds, is Spirit still on pain meds? What is he still on? Just Gaba?
Yes he's on Buprenex & Gaba, no more CBD as he hasn't touched it since the amputation except a tiny bit Friday. He also was on Onsior Fri & Sat, and they gave him a shot of it I believe on Thurs for the surgery.
Purrkins went 7 days without pooping. I gave him 1/16th tsp Miralax on the 6th day and 1/8 tsp on the 7th day. We got BM day 8. You can do that sooner if you wish to and I don’t know how you will feel about the Miralax, I use it because it goes undetected. If Spirit is not eating, I would add a little water with the Miralax and syringe it to him. I give this to Purrkins brother Saxtons 2X daily to keep him regular. I give him 1/2 tsp 2 x a day, what I gave Purrkins was tiny amounts.
I ended up bringing him to the emergency vet because he had really heavy breathing again & then gagging, sticking his tongue way out - just randomly - and continued to breathe very heavy/shallow for a long time, almost hyperventilating sounding. 🙁 He hadn't had anything for a couple of hours and I was on the phone with my aunt who used to be a vet tech & she basically insisted I go, so when my housemate heard that (or maybe because now he knew someone else was aware of it), he relentlessly took us. It could have been related to Spirit's lung mass, OR because he was extremely constipated (they took an x-ray and showed me, it was pretty backed up). Potentially he'd had no poop since Wed... but Purrkins went a LONG TIME TOO it sounds like! :O Wow! Wish I had read that sooner/before going to the emergency vet! (Although without the x-ray I wouldn't have been sure how backed up he was/if it was effecting his breathing too - still not sure exactly). They put him on oxygen & an IV, which probably helped with his breathing, and after the abdominal & chest x-ray, the vet gave him an enema and then waited awhile and only 2 tiny poops came out... so they gave him another smaller dose enema and 2-3x that first amount came out - hard poops. There's still more to go and they said if he still doesn't go by tomorrow afternoon maybe take him back in either to them or where he had the limb amputated. They suggested the Miralax too, so while we waited for enema to work, we ran out & got some. I haven't been able to get him to eat anything since coming home, but they said he ate well there and so I gave him his overdue Gabba which I had foregone in bringing him in to emergency care. He was purring and happy to leave the vet, but at home he was uninterested in food, like I said, and had some more (not as intense) heavy breathing. I let him be out & about since I put down no-skid rugs, but he only hopped a little way and then laid down on one. Kiko was so good (I was watching them the whole time), and went over and kissed his head a few times... Awwww <3 I'm up (no sleep till Brooklyn!) and may try more food options again in a little while w/the Miralax, but he might be tapped out from whatever they fed him there. They said his being backed up could very well have been effecting his appetite too. I had given him a mirtazapine to stimulate appetite ~3 hours prior to the incident. Of course the vet and tech fell in love with him too btw, said he was so good and sweet. ^_^ The vet even had a 3-legged cat! Hers was a tripawd from age 6 months though, back leg. Pretty cool synch though! I told her how helpful this site/group has been - she didn't say, but maybe she already knows! 😉
I agree with Sally, pumpkin is great IF you can get it in him. I have never had luck with our cats and pumpkin. I have tried. But it is worth a try. I also agree do not hesitate to call the Vet with any concerns especially on the breathing that is what they are there for! Please do not hesitate to phone them. I also agree the food intake will not be normal and have you tried raising the food bowl? Hand feeding him? It is not easy for them to bend over, raising the food bowl in any way or just holding it may help. Pet Spirit when you go to feed him see if that helps. Sometimes gently stroking them down the back can help.
Indeed, I had read about pumpkin &more fiber too - thank you Sally & Holly! He has a few different foods with pumpkin but if it's diced/cubed he leaves it! And one of the baby foods had pumpkin but again, no interest. Some of the successful feeding has been my crawling in to the cage and holding the dish up for him to eat out of, and I did have a riser in the cage for food & water but he only was eating from that willingly the first day or so home. Other meals have had to be put down in front of him while he's laying or held up to him if he's in his bed, as I described. I def pet him and tell him how good he is/talk in soothing tones to try to encourage him too, you know what's up! 😉
I am sorry you & your housemate had to get into an argument over this. That is the last thing you need, If you are concerned call the vet and if the housemate doesn’t agree can they go elsewhere while Spirit recovers? No added stress is needed in recovery NONE. If that is the only vehicle then call someone else. If it is shared get it and go if needed. Call the vet and if they think he needs to be seen then tell your housemate WE are going!
Aye, not much I can do about this really... "it's complicated." We used to date, and I was so supportive when his dog was dying - whom Spirit loved btw - and she passed exactly 3 years ago, so I get it, not a great time for this... but I didn't cause any of it - Spirit's condition/disease or what's happened tonight with him, but he makes me feel like it's some great inconvenience to his life that this is all happening and says things like "you need to warn me if this is going to happen" (As if I could predict such a thing!) and "now I have to get all my stuff out of the car," he tells me that the vets aren't going to do anything for him, I'm exaggerating, etc. Very frustrating, and my feelings have to be completely put to the side because everything becomes about him/his life and how we're burdening him. Sadly, the only other person I could call to help was in a major surgery recently herself, and unable to come. The rest of my fam and friends live out of state, and I did mention getting an Uber instead of using the car, but my housemate got all "Is that what you want? Let's just go." on me when I mentioned it. We ended up in the room at the vet's where his dog had passed away... and he was surprisingly cool with staying there, despite our telling of what had happened there & the tech offering us a different room. I get it, bad timing, but it's no one's fault and I wish he would prioritize Spirit's happiness and health more, and be able to show some compassion in this type of situation, as was shown to him... especially when he calls Spirit his son and tells everyone he meets about his cancer and journey. I just feel like when it comes down to it, he's not invested in doing what needs to be done, and blames me for things as if I would ever wish this to happen to my beloved little guy! So yeah... drama, but not much I can do about it atm and I'm really just trying to hold it together.
I hope it is not needed but if your instinct is telling you something is wrong then follow that instinct! Did Spirit ever pee?
I will check back tomorrow and see how you made out.
Indeed, in my last update, I mentioned his peeing - at first near the pan in the cage on the first night/morning home and then he was just peeing closer to where he was laying, until he just peed where he laid. 🙁 Bummer to clean up, but glad it didn't make it to his incision, and I had the pee pads down 😉
Hang in there and do not hesitate to call, housemate can post here, I would be happy to help in that manner;) Just saying! GRRR
Hugs,
Holly & Purrkins❤️
Thanks Holly! I really appreciate the support! But in the words of Rosemary Clooney to the General in White Christmas, "this is a private war." 😛 Or, that's the best as I can recall the line right now!
It was nice to talk to my aunt on the phone, she totally gets it - huge animal lover! I had to quickly get off the phone with her when Whitey started gagging, so she called back after a few minutes and checked to see if he was ok, and I told her we were going in to the emergency.
He's back in the big cage right now, resting, no poops yet that I see/smell! 😀 I'm going to try to get some rest (I think I got in 12 hours in the past 4 days!) and am not yet ready to leave him out and about unsupervised.
Hope you all had a more chill/relaxing weekend with your furbabies! You guys rock!
Blessed to be a part of this site/forum/group!
I am glad you took Spirit it, with older kitties It is always better to play it safe, Some senior kitties constipate as they age anyway, let alone on pain meds after major surgery. Purrkins was only 6 at the time of his amp. I have dealt with constipation in his brother and it turns into an emergency if he doesn’t poop every other day! Spirit being constipated would make him NOT want to eat on top of many other factors in recovery.
Hopefully, he will get rid of the rest of the poop today and be HUNGRY again, I am sure he needed the fluids as well.
Great on the pain meds, still not a fan of the Onisor. I do see the peeing info now;)
The pee incident the other day was him peeing near the box but not in it, but since then, he's gotten a little worse with where he's going - peeing in the bed or where he's been sleeping a couple of times (easy to clean up because I put a pee pad underneath - one that doesn't have the "attractor" stuff, hoping it wouldn't encourage peeing on the pads, since many other pee pads seemed to have this!), which made cleaning him up with some baby wipes & changing his onesie necessary, but happy pee indeed! ^_^ Though still no poop! I called to let the vet know that he had still not pooped yet and they said to call back tomorrow if it was the same.
It was late for me last night, I just woke up and looked at my phone and quickly read your post and I saw emergency (breathing) not the peeing etc…
I would try placing Spirit in the litter box out of the cage. He may not want to eat, drink and use the box in the cage. I don’t know how big the cage but in general cats are not fans of the food and water and box nearby, that is what I would do bring Spirit out of the cage to use the litter box and place him in the box, see if that does the trick. We are not eating in our bathrooms;) just saying it could be a added factor. It does work for some kitties and some have no issues in the cage doing all of those things. Not all cats are alike either!
The pumpkin and our cats? As I said earlier I could never get Saxton or Purrkins to eat it and I even found a powder kind and it ended up causing issues with Saxton. I tried high fiber, Benefiber, etc. all of those just caused issues with Saxton and made the poop too big. Complicated anyway, I just use the Miralax and slippery elm supplements they work, vets approve and it is a way better to the alternative to lactulose which needs to be prescribed and is a sticky mess cat's, in general, are not fans of. Miralax although not natural works and is tolerated well.
Also, the hard poops would be the clunkers holding the poop in and likely diarrhea may follow. Fyi so don't panic if it turns to diarrhea next. But keep up on the fluids.
Thanks Holly! I really appreciate the support! But in the words of Rosemary Clooney to the General in White Christmas, "this is a private war." Or, that's the best as I can recall the line right now!
I am glad to read the housemate came around, I am sure it is a private war, and that is not good for you and Spirit and Kiko!
Like we can choose emergencies? OMC I’m moving on from that topic. GRR, I am just glad you were able to take Spirit in and hope today is a better day for all. Have the housemate KNOW you may need to go again or call Uber!
Let us know how Spirit is doing and always try or rest when Spirit does.
Hugs, Holly & Purrkins❤️
Oh wow so the ER visit must have been worrisome but it sounds like Spirit definitely got the care necessary to start feeling better. By the way it's funny how many vets have Tripawds, we were surprised to learn that many (maybe even most vets) have had at least one. Glad you found one who's part of the club!
As for the appetite issues, have you seen this post? It has tips that you might not have tried just yet:
Tripawds Founders Jim and Rene
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Hi all,
Not a good day here... Spirit had what I think is a seizure about an hour ago - his limbs stretched out, he rolled onto the incision side & I caught him from rolling too far off his little bed, he turned his neck stiffly all the way back towards the incision and eyes were huge/body all stiff. I was SOOOOO FREAKED OUT!!!!!!!!!! It didn't last long - under a minute, and he snapped back out of it and seemed ok, but I had already called roommate to come with car, and called vet that we needed to come in. Vet called me back (not regular, but Dr. at the same practice, & roommate knows her from taking his dog to her), and we went over what's happened and been going on & she thinks unless it happens again and he doesn't snap out of it/there are multiple seizures, not to panic - yet. He'd been in yesterday to see regular vet because he still hadn't pooped or eaten much... more on that below. It's so crazy I was in the cage with him/about to offer him some food when it happened! I'd ground up some chia seeds to add to food (if he was interested in any), but hadn't yet put them on/was about to offer some chicken food on a paper plate, then he did that arm stretch, which I thought was maybe a good sign he'd be moving about/getting up from his bed for the first time since last night - until he rolled over and then cranked his little head around. I think I'm still in shock.
So to get up to speed, yesterday he still hadn't pooped more from the 1.5 enemas (indeed, I tried putting him in the regular pan and all/helping him out) early am on Mon/late pm Sunday @ emergency vet, but showed some activity (including hopping around house), wasn't eating much, and not peeing either so I took him in to his regular vet after a huge fight with roommate about it. Was planning going to emergency vet as re-check but then regular vet called and said she'd be in the office doing paperwork, and I could bring him in... I had gotten a call from emergency vet radiologist (they weren't on during the hours I was there) that morning (yesterday) saying what they saw in x-ray could be the lung mass getting worse or he might have an infection/pneumonia. (I got to see the lung mass, with measurement thingy and it looked to be the same size from the one view, which was sort of a relief).
So the regular vet was going to treat it as an infection/pneumonia in hopes that would help stabilize him & also planned to give him another enema, but she didn't end up doing the enema, but did express his bladder, so he peed (that's the last time he peed - yesterday afternoon), and gave me that lactulose stuff to give him every 2 hours till he defecated (7 doses in now & still no poop!). He's been drooling a lot after anything I give him - Buprenex included, so I honestly am not sure how much is really getting in there, but after 7 doses I'd imagine he'd had enough lax! She also ended up giving him a ton of meds - not something I would have normally agreed to, and she even said "I'm going to suggest giving him more meds than you're probably comfortable with, but he's not eating or going to the bathroom, so we need to [take some steps]" (abbreviated). I felt out of options and also stressed from fight with roommate - so agreed to him getting what she recommended, I do trust her, as she's been right about a lot of things and she really cares about Spirit. So after she did a blood screen and kidney values looked good (white cell count way up, and he was anemic but she said some other thing looked like the red blood cells were trying to reproduce/good sign it could turn around), she gave him the meds. These were: Cerenia, Convenia, Onsior (all shots - yes, I mentioned the appetite issues with it but she said with the others it shouldn't effect him 😛 ), she sent me home with that Lactulose & Prednislone liquid (he just had first dose of Prednislone after speaking with that other vet) and he also got a famotidine injection, B12 shot & Sub Q fluids. He was pretty active/alert when we got there & even after the treatments, then had another one of those coughing/tongue out incidents while we were waiting for prescriptions to be filled... :/ That was a lot of stuff put into him once! He ended up being very happy at home in the late afternoon/eve, sitting out and hopping around (even jumping up on a box!) for 4-5 hours before resting (which he's been doing since), and I was thrilled that he even ate 2 meals on his own!
Today, he's not eating again & still not pooped after the 7 doses of the lactulose that I was giving him through the night (setting my alarm every 2 hours to get up & try between naps). Buprenex has continued on schedule, no peeing. He let me ice his side/incision area 3-4 times since amputation and since it was Thurs, I thought heat would be ok now, so I did that this morning. A few hours after is when the seizure occured.
So... the other vet at the regular vet practice has suggested that I stop the Buprenex, as he's been on it so long for the cancer already that it's probably messed up his GI tract pretty badly... (emergency vet said same) and so I suggested I switch to the Gabba instead, which I still have/he hasn't taken since Mon morning. She agreed I should do that and stop the Buprenex for now. Idk how long the Onsior shot lasts, but that's also for pain - maybe it's only 24 hours though which would mean he'd be coming off that soon. She said it was ok to give the Prednislone and hopefully it would help his appetite, so I gave him his first dose... though again, he's drooling out a lot of whatever gets syringed into him lately. She said to cut back the lactulose to 2 x day. And if he doesn't eat, pee or poop by tomorrow afternoon, she said to give her a call back and she may have to "dig out" the poop Sounds really stressful for him... and not a fun job, I'm sure! So I really hope he can make it happen! Fingers crossed no more seizures!!!
I just want him to bounce back, have a fighting chance here, after all he's been through! I could go on with how I feel conflicted now about the amputation, but I won't...
I'm pretty wired atm, and want to stay close to him... but wanted to update since you all have been so awesome through all of this & I feel like you have a lot of experiences to share and wisdom on these matters!
Prayers for poop, pee & eating are greatly appreciated!
Much love from Crystal, the Tiny Loving Man & Keek the Sleek
You must be soooooo exhausted. Ih my goodness, what an ordeal.
Okay, you need to EXHALE and get ready for a great vig group hug, okay? Your whole tripawd family is giving you a hug with @ots of pets in the back for doing EVERYTHING possible for your sweet Spirit.
I have zero insight into everything going on. It sounds like your Vet is throwing everything possible into the mix to help Spirit.
TRY not to doubt your decision. That's not where your energy needs to be. You made this "forced choice" decision out of LOVE!! Lke many of us, you made the decision to TRY and give Spirit a chance. You would have forever doubted yourself if you didn't try. I'm paraphrasing, but that's basically what you were posting. It was a chance to remove a painful leg.
Really hoping all the switch up in meds helps, as well as eliminating any possible. I'm glad he was happy to be home yesterday and you saw some of his sparkle come back. Hopefully that's a good sign.
Lots and lots of healing hugs and love
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Yikes you poor things! What a stressful ordeal, I hope the new medication plan will help the healing and he can get back to his usual self. Not all recoveries are as difficult, I'm so sorry you're both going through this rough time. You are doing a GREAT job advocating and getting good care for him, and that's all any animal could ask of their human. Try not to feel regretful right now (I know it's hard!), nobody could have predicted this. Stay pawsitive, it really makes a difference in the recovery process. And you have all of us cheering you and Spirit on, so bonus! Xoxo
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Vet called me back (not regular, but Dr. at the same practice, & roommate knows her from taking his dog to her), and we went over what's happened and been going on & she thinks unless it happens again and he doesn't snap out of it/there are multiple seizures, not to panic - yet.
There is a ton info in this post and I am not sure where to start? But I am starting on this, I don't understand why she wants to wait on another seizure to happen to address this? I would not wait and find out what is happening before it happens again! (just me) He could be having strokes! Spirit is older and has so many things happening!
Spirit does not need to poop every day that I can tell you. 7 doses of lactulose and no poop? I would not want to eat and I would be drooling too, just saying the poor lad. They want you to continue giving it to him? I do not know what to say?
That is a lot of meds for Spirit? Again? This is all so complicated and I would not wait for another seizure or episode or whatever is happening to happen again? (I would not) Putting all of these meds in and he is still not going potty?
Think about taking him in and stick to one Vet are they all communicating? As they say give this dont give this? I am sorry, I am running late, I have to wrap this up. Please ask some of these questions in our ask the vet forum if you are not taking him in.
Not sure about stopping his pain meds either? All VET questions when you have so many issues happeing at one time.
I am praying for Spirit to feel better and hope to hear things improve in any manner! I am sorry Spirit is so miserable
Feel better Spirit 🙏!
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