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I have an 8 1/2 year old Collie who has cancer in his left rear ankle. After lots of painful thought, I decided I would do the amputation and chemo.
Now I'm having second thoughts because I've heard from people that it just may not be worth it. That it will make whatever time my beloved companion has left much harder than if I do nothing, keep him comfortable and let him go. I want to give my boy the best quality of life for what time we have left.
I'm worried that the recovery will be hard, that he might not adjust well, and that the chemo will be terrible. I don't give a damn that he will only have 3 legs. I don't care what people think. That's not part of my concern. Only that I do the best for him. Any thoughts will be appreciated.
dpgerson said
I've heard from people that it just may not be worth it.
People like who? Have they been through this with their dogs?
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Here's my 2 cents. My 5 yr old had osteo in her right front leg. Not knowing at first what was going on she hopped around off her bad leg anyway but would cry out everytime she caught it or her dog sister ran into her. Then I had it xrayed and read up on osteo and how it deteriorates the bone and the bone becomes weak and can break off. Then you have a real problem. So it really was a no brainer for me because I couldn't stand to see her in pain. She recovered really quickly and is running, jumping and digging but every dog is different and recovery times may vary BUT they won't be in pain from a rotten leg. I opted not to do chemo but others have, so it is very personal. 8 yrs old is not very old to me so he would be alot more comfortable without the leg. Good luck with your decision.
If you want someone to argue why you should, you came to the right place.
Cancer is scary, and really only you know what will be best for your buddy and for you. I can tell you, my Polly bounced right back after amputation. We are 6 weeks out and we are on long walks, she runs, she jumps she plays.
We chose not to do chemo and are doing Metronomics- which you can find out tons of information on this site if you choose.
There are a ton of success stories on here and this group of people is just amazing at supporting you through whatever choice you decide.
If you dog still has a lot of life left, whats 2 weeks worth of pain and suffering if you can months or even years with your best friend? The healing and amputation is harder on you than on your dog!
Good luck no matter what you choose. We have all been in that position at one time and know how hard it is.
Hello dp,
Sorry to hear of your Collie's troubles. You are not alone and wrong about questioning, 2nd, 3rd guessing yourself and what to do. My buddy, a 9 yo male Golden has hystiocytic cancer of the right front leg. From the initial diagnosis, thru subsequent testing, the 'suggested' treatment was amputation, followed by some form of chemo. I REALLY struggled what to do for Tahoe, what was the 'right' decision for by buddy. It was very difficult decision, and as many supporters on here said, there is no right or wrong decision which you make.
I did decide to proceed with amp, as the surgery was done just 3 days ago and he came home las night. He is doing amazingly well, happy, minimal pain and now onto recovery whatever that looks like.
I found that LOTS of people around me, even my wife, had various opinions what I should do with Tahoe but ultimatley it was my tough decision to make. So far, I think it was the right one.
Hang in there, you will figure this out. Just reach on this forum or the chat as there are some amazing supporters on here with tons of experience.
Stirling and Tahoe
"Tahoe" - Our Amazing Superman and Best Friend.
Dec. 01-03 to Aug. 19-14
Diagnosed with Periarticular Hystiocystic Sarcoma Feb 14-13; Amputation March 18-13, and diagnosed with STS April-14. Tahoe touched so many people while visiting us, leaving a massive void in our lives. Always Missed, Never Forgotten!!
You don't say what kind of cancer your dog has so it's hard to know what kind of time you might be expecting. And then there are your personal expectations versus what you will actually experience. Many people here expected to get a few months of iffy time but in reality they experienced months or years of really good time. Many cancers cause our dogs so much pain that we find they are truly different (happier) dogs once the leg is gone. I can't tell you how many times I've read "I had no idea he was in such pain but now he plays and runs and it's only been a couple of weeks!" Many people here are happy with 3 months of no pain but time filled with love and fun. But no one is satisfied with what they get, no matter how long. That's just us humans.
We had a Collie several years ago. She adopted us when she was 8 or 9 and we had her for 5 years. If I'd asked her at age 8 or 9 if she was planning on dying, she obviously would have said that she had another 5 years in her. I guess their life expectancy is about 13 or more. Something to consider.
Bone cancer hurts. Humans who have it use the word "excruciating" to describe it. That's with pain meds. If your dog has bone cancer and you choose not to amputate, you need an emergency plan in place that consists of what to do if you get a pathological fracture; narcotics for immediate, heavy-duty sedation in case of the fracture; emergency vet plans in case of a sudden and uncontrollable pain event. I am not kidding when I say that pain will be the reason you will have to end your dog's life. You need to be prepared if that's what you decide. Unfortunately, cancer is not easy.
Soft tissue cancers probably don't hurt. Not till the tumor bursts and the gangrene sets in. That would have been my dog's future without amputation.
I cannot tell you that your dog will live for 3 months or 6 months or a year or 2 years if you lose the leg. I can only tell you that most of this is a leap of faith. We have faith that amputation will enable our friends to live large and love hard for whatever time it buys them. They have faith that we will do the best thing for them.
And ask anyone here and they will tell you that going through amputation and recovery builds a bond like no other. I have had several dogs, and I thought I knew the one that captured my heart the most...until I lost Dakota and realized what this journey created in us as a pair, as a family. Be prepared for that, too. It can take your breath away.
From abandoned puppy to Tripawd Warrior Dude, Dakota became one of the 2011 February Furballs due to STS. Our incredibly sweet friend lived with grace and dignity till he impulsively raced over the Bridge on 12-15-12.
Dakota's thoughtful and erudite blog is at http://shari.tr.....pawds.com/
When our Libby (almost 10 years old) was diagnosed with osteo, our first thought was to put her down so she didn't have to endure the pain or have to go the rest of her life on 3 legs. BUT, I found this site and I felt hope. I learned that given a choice, Libby would most definitely decide to have the painful leg removed. She gave us no indication she was ready to leave us. We are almost 2 months post op and are so glad we made this decision. We decided to bypass IV chemo and go straight to metronomics .
Pollygirl is right when she says the surgery and recovery are harder on us than our pooches. I have a human example of this. My youngest son has special needs and he is basically non verbal. He had to have all his wisdom teeth pulled. That's not something we could explain to him and have him understand. I bawled my eyes out for days before the surgery because I knew he would wake up from anesthesia (had to put him under in a hospital setting) and not know/understand what just happened. I practically made myself sick over it. When he woke up from surgery he was a little dazed and confused but that kid came home and do you think he went to bed like my other 2 boys did after wisdom teeth surgery? Nope. He came home and went about his business like nothing happened. So yeah, it's much harder on those of us that are aware of what's going to take place than it is on the patient.
Libby pretty much sailed through her recovery but all dogs are different as you will see when you take a peek around this site. You will find so much support (no matter what your decision) and information here. Good luck to you both.
Amy
Liberty (Libby) was diagnosed with OSA on 1-22-13. Right front amputation on 1-31-13. No IV Chemo. Metronomic Therapy started 2-19-13 along with supplements and some home cooking. Lungs clear until 1-06-14. She's still her happy, hoppy, bossy self. Living the dog life to the fullest and a proud Winter Warrior. :) RIP my Libby 4-21-03 to 3-19-14
I'm sorry that you are having to deal with this difficult situation. I know the decision to amputate can be so overwhelming. Its the unknown that freaked me out. I found this site right after my almost 8 year old, 95 lb, American Bulldog was diagnosed with Osteo. Like almost everyone here, she began limping. Took her to the vet, they did an x-ray and diagnosed her with bone cancer. I felt like I was in the boxing ring and someone had knocked me out. I came home, found this site, and read all the posts I could. I also downloaded Three Legs and a Spare . We pretty much had no doubt that we would do the amputation, but reading everyone else's experiences (good and bad) eased my mind.
Everyone's recovery experience is different. I can only speak from my experience. Cadence really had no problems at all. She was up and at it, the next day when we picked her up. She was a little unsteady at first, but quickly adjusted. The drugs she was on made her tired and a bit loopy, but once she was off them, there was no stopping her. We opted for chemo and did 4 rounds of Carbo, one session every three weeks. The only real side effect she had was she was tired a few hours after the chemo. Other than that, she ate like a horse and wanted to be out of the house 24-7. Her zest for life was still there. She had no idea she was missing a leg. Dogs will adjust. They just live there life and move on.
We lost Cadence because the cancer showed up in her lungs. There is not one thing I regret. If I had to do it again, knowing what I know now, I would do it again in a heartbeat. She lived pain free after the amp, she enjoyed her life, and because of that we got extra time with her and a lifetime of memories that will always be with me.
Good luck with your decision. Please keep us updated and let us know if you have any questions.
“Dogs are our link to paradise. They don't know evil or jealousy or discontent. To sit with a dog on a hillside on a glorious afternoon is to be back in Eden, where doing nothing was not boring--it was peace.” ― Milan Kundera
Dog person....Yes, for me, it was a decision I agonized over and did, indeed, cancel a scheduled amputation appointment. You've gotten some excellent feedback based on individual personal experiences. I went from absolutely not. - to proceeding..and then wondering what in the world I had done--and now fully enjoying the gift of time we were able to gain. You don't have to make a decision about chemo right away. Chunk it down and just focus on the amputation for now. There's a wonderful book you can go to Amazon from here that was extremely helpdul--The Dog Cancer Book by Dr. dressier and Dr, Stronger. Will tell you a treasure trove of info.
As Dakota Dawg said there are different outcomes from sort time survival to Mich longer. iI encourage you to reread her post as well as the others to help give you a good perspective. Some recoveries are quick, some dogs take a little while longer. This site will help prepare you for almost any scenario. Many have proceeded many have not. We are here for you whatever your decision Anne we all understand the depth of your concerns
Sending you our compassion and support. We are with you, Sally and Happy Hannah
Happy Hannah had a glorious additional bonus time of over one yr & two months after amp for osteo! She made me laugh everyday! Joined April's Angels after send off meal of steak, ice cream, M&Ms & deer poop!
I'm so sorry you had a reason to find this site, but very glad you found it. I was clutching at straws when I found it and second guessing every decision I made. These people helped me ease my mind and accept the choices. My worst fear was they would remove Shooter's leg and find out after the fact it wasn't necessary! That wasn't the case, but I'm glad I chose the amp. Although Shooter was not in the kind of pain many on here were prior to surgery (hs is not a bone cancer), when he would no longer play ball or frisbee it was obvious he was in discomfort and not happy.
He will be two months post amp and can jump and run with all the others and he is no spring chicken at 12-1/2. He will be starting a precautionary chemo protocol this week.
In the end, the decision has to feel right to you. It's obvious you love your furry kid and that's what matters the most.
Spirit Shooter was a Miniature Australian Shepherd who was diagnosed with a MCT and had a LF amp 1/28/13 at 13-1/2 years old.
Shooter crossed the Bridge on 8/28/13, his 7 month ampuversary and two weeks from his 14th birthday.
I can't add much more than what other's have said. I wasn't sure about amputation, that was because we didn't have a 100% diagnosis of cancer when Sassy went through her amputation. Yes, the xrays said possible. I was holding out hope & did 2 biopsies. I have decided in the future though if this ever happens to another dog of mine (God forbid) I would immediately amputate. No questions asked. My Sassy is a 6 year old Rottie who was 138 pounds at the time of amputation. The vets didn't think she would be able to support her weight on 3 legs. She proved them wrong the day of amputation. She woke up enough to go out & pee and continued to try to walk out of the parking lot & on home if they would have let her.
She hasn't slowed down ( she always was a mellow dog) but she gets around great & is no longer in pain. I would do everything over again but change a few things that I have learned on this journey to make it go smoother
Sassy is a proud member of the Winter Warriors. Live long, & strong Winter Warriors.
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07/26/2006 - Sassy earned her wings 08/20/2013
05/04/2006 - Bosch, Sassy's pal, earned his wings 03/29/19 fought cancer for 4 months.
"You aren't doing it TO her, you are doing it FOR her. Give her a chance at life."
I wanted to say, also, that chemo for dogs seems to be a very different experience than chemo for humans is. It doesn't seem to bother them much at all and rarely make them nauseous There are preventive pills your dog can take. At the most, they seem to be tired and sleep more for maybe 2 days afterwards. It will make their white blood cells take a hit, but the only way you know it is by the blood work they do in advance. So the dog behaves just fine and eats and is happy and plays. They do NOT become invalids.
If you are concerned that chemo will cause the same kind of horrible problems it does in people, don't be. As Sally said, you don't have to decide about it now. If you do the amputation, you can then start a separate post topic here and ask about chemo. There is also a wealth of info here already. The deciding factor for many people seems to be the cost. It can be very expensive, although lots of people have chosen a home chemo treatment that is very affordable and has good success in many cases. It's called metronomics . You can look into that, too.
Shari
From abandoned puppy to Tripawd Warrior Dude, Dakota became one of the 2011 February Furballs due to STS. Our incredibly sweet friend lived with grace and dignity till he impulsively raced over the Bridge on 12-15-12.
Dakota's thoughtful and erudite blog is at http://shari.tr.....pawds.com/
My pug Maggie had mast cell cancer- a large tumor in her knee is what lead to her amp. Unlike bone cancer, mast cell (in our experience) is not hugely painful. I was shocked when my vet, then the surgeon, then the oncologist recommended amputation. She wasn't even limping, how can amputation be the best solution?
I decided to do the amp because most likely the tumor would eventually rupture through the skin and create a painful wound that would not heal, and because there was a high probability of internal spread without amputation. The only advice I got from the vets is most dogs do fine on three, especially rear amps. Maggie had no medical complications from her surgery, in fact she was walking the day of surgery. However- she was not a happy pug. She would only walk for food or bathroom breaks, she didn't want to play with me, there was not much spark. I was sure I had done the wrong thing. Tripawds didn't exist yet so we went through all this alone. Well, if I had considered her personality I would have realized she was just being herself- she was obstinate and not at all good with changes. After 4 weeks or so she started to show some personality- after about 6 weeks she finally started playing with me again.
We did do chemo because after the amp lots of cancerous mast cells were found in the lymph node removed with the leg. It's a big deal in mast cell cancer because the lymph system is one of the places the cancer spreads. Her prognosis with chemo was 6 to 9 months. She hopped happily for almost 4 years and did not pass away from mast cell cancer.
I have no regrets and given the same circumstances I would do it all again.
With cancer all we can do is make the best decisions for our pups and hope for the best. Amputation isn't right for every pup, but it is important to get all the facts so you can decide what is best for you boy- what's his name? We are here to help with what ever decision you make. Cancer sucks no matter how many legs you have, two, three or four.
Karen
Thanks for all of your replies. To answer some of your questions: My boy, Townes, has osteosarcoma. Or at least the doctor says there is a 90% chance he does. That brings up another concern. Should I have a biopsy? I understand they are painful and not always conclusive. There is something there in the xrays, and if anything it is bigger than it was a month ago on the xray taken last week. He limps, often does not put weight on it, and sometimes trots along on 3 legs now.
The hard part, as I'm sure a lot of you know, is that he doesn't really seem to be in that much pain now, and seems in pretty good spirits and shape. I have him on 75 mg of Novox twice a day and a 50 mg Tramdol before bed.
I would like to hear if folks did go ahead with the amputation without getting a biopsy first. Thanks again for all of your concern and honest feedback.
Dan
Dan, many of us here did not have a biopsy. Even though Dakota did not have OSA, we knew he had some type of cancer. When the options were laid out, including the types of cancer it could be, a pre-surgery biopsy was one of the options. I just asked how treatment would differ with or without the biopsy. The oncologist said it wouldn't, it would just be information that would help us proceed after the amputation. Since the leg had to come off regardless, I did not put Dakota though the biopsy. Everything I've read here says that they are really painful and often inconclusive. I ended up getting him into a clinical trial and they biopsied everything after removal.
Years ago I had another dog with a soft tissue cancer on her shoulder. They biopsied it and it was worse than the actual tumor removal. I wish I hadn't.
Townes may not act like he's in pain but if he isn't using his leg then he is. He is just being a stoic dog. I'm glad you've already got some pain meds for him. And if he's already not using the leg and you do decide to amputate, he will do better because he's already practicing.
Whatever you decide, as long as you do it for him and make sure he doesn't hurt, it will be the right choice. You know him best.
Shari
From abandoned puppy to Tripawd Warrior Dude, Dakota became one of the 2011 February Furballs due to STS. Our incredibly sweet friend lived with grace and dignity till he impulsively raced over the Bridge on 12-15-12.
Dakota's thoughtful and erudite blog is at http://shari.tr.....pawds.com/
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