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We are 8 days post amp. 7 days 1st chemo. Polli has desovable stiches and we are are limited amount of pain meds now. Yesterday we started to decrease the tramadol from 2 every 6-8 hours to 1 every 4-6 or so. She is still on Baytil and 50 mg of deramaxx.
Let me preface this with I KNOW we are ONLy on day 8 of MAJOR MAJOR MAJOR surgery and her whole world has been turned upside down. Everything is different. Even our house, her "crate" her safety zone is gone. Yes, we are still all together but here are the concerns....
Polli was the happiest dog I had ever met. Even in pain all this time prior to the discovery of the cancer, she was happy, play bowing and her tail never stopped wagging. She also had THE BIGGEST mouth I could even imagine. So much so that there were times I thought to myself... SHHHHH up already. It was a non stop ROO ROO ROO ROO ROO ROO... screaming and demadning to me to get this, get that, hurry it up... etc.
Now, the fire that made my firecracker seems to have disappreared from her eyes. She doesn't even want to walk. She will walk to go out and pee/poop but we want to start getting her to go to one or 2 houses and then turn around. She won't move and we can't press it. She will just stand there with a blank pathetic look at her face that rips my heart out.
She will get up to go to the door when we make our announcement "WHO WANTS TO GO FOR A WALKIE". But that is as far as it goes.
Her tail which never stopped wagging, hasn't wagged once.
She is depressed. I speak to her in loving, tones as I always did. Nothing has changed with any of that. I know that humans go through a clinical depression after major surgery so I am aware that a lot of this is "normal" but it's still very upsetting.
I know I can't speed up her recovery time and I know it's ONLY 8 days but all of a sudden I am very concerned that the Polli we know and love won't be back. It's scary but more than anything, it's so sad.
Robin~ Mom to Polli, my Tripod, Beau, Chloe, & Teddy. Yoshi, Belle and Zoobie, the kitties
Hi Robin
This seems to be fairly common about this time. Coming off of the pain meds can be hard for some dogs. Somewhat of a detox effect. Radar was bright and happy right after surgery but about day 6 went into a slump. He wasn't running a temp, his stools were fine, but was off eating (also pretty common). I think the best thing you can do for Polli right now is to be positive and upbeat. I know you are worried but you may be telegraphing that worry to Polli. It's hard to keep our worry under wraps around them but we need to try.
When Radar was down I sooo wanted to go to him and gently tell him "hang in there big guy - you'll be OK" What I did instead was use my playfull (smiling) voice and talk to him like I normally would around the house. I would see the interest and the ear and eyebrow movement and could tell he was getting my happy tone and occasionally there was a "little" tailwag.
Polli will be over this slump before you know it.
Hugs
Connie & Radar
Hi Robin - Zeus didn't have much depression, though he panted a lot while on the pain medicine. Keep doing what you're doing and maybe give your Vet a call and see what he/she has to say. Hopefully she will turn the page in a day or 2. We will keep her in our thoughts and prayers....please keep us posted.
Much love,
Heather and Zeus
Heather and Spirit Zeus - Our life changing journey…from the earth to the heavens…one day at a time…always together
Robin,
I can relate. My Buster took about a good month to bounce back. He wouldn't eat and weaning him off the meds was hard because he seemed to be in alot of pain. Ask your vet to keep on the pain meds longer if Polli is uncomfortable. It is still early and this was a major surgery. I used a warm compress to help with the nerve endings and deal with the phantom leg pain
. It will take some time but in about a month she should be back to her old self. I would not try to push her to walk until she is fully recovered. Just like any major surgery rest is best...
Best wishes,
Kim&Buster
Kim & Angel Buster
"Until one has loved an animal, a part of one's soul remains unawakened."
–Anatole France
It does sound like a "normal" detox, and I'm sure the adjustment might have an impact. One thing I did for Lalla while she was recovering from surgery was to make sure her doggy friends came 'round to visit, and I know that made her very, very happy and it gave her a sense of "my world is still the same". That might do the trick.
RobinM said:
... it’s so sad.
As difficult as it may seem right now, please try to reframe things. You should rejoice now that Polli is free of pain. That fire will return, she just needs time to recuperate. Be strong and she will follow your lead.
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Thanks again, and best wishes for a speedy recovery. Keep that tail wagging!
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I think that Polli needs more time to adjust to life without her leg. I have found that Greyhounds tend to get hit harder with some of the meds we use than other breeds, but they do eventually bounce back! Also, she had chemo at the same time as her amputation, and that alone can make any dog tired and depressed.
Has she had her CBC rechecked yet? Most vets will check the white cell count 7 days post chemo to look for bone marrow suppression, which could lead to infections. If she had Adriamycin (doxorubricin) as her chemo drug, the white count is usually at its lowest 7-10 days post-injection. Carboplatin is less likely to affect the bone marrow, but the count can drop anywhere from 7-21 days post-treatment. You can take her temperature daily to get an idea of how she is doing. A non-stressed dog should have a resting temp under 102.5.
Pam and Tazzie
You know, I'd forgotten about the fact that Pollli has already started her chemo! (I know Robin & Polli from Greytalk you see).
Darcy – tripawd since 16th October 2007.
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Me too Bevd, all Buster had was the amputation surgery. Very good information from Tazziedog about the chemo....
Kim & Angel Buster
"Until one has loved an animal, a part of one's soul remains unawakened."
–Anatole France
Robin,
Sophie is 10 days post amputation, and just this morning seemed to pull out of a depression that came on a couple of days after the surgery. It is great to see her smiling again. I never would have guessed yesterday that she would be herself suddenly again today (also worth noting that today is a few days off meds). Give Polli some time, and good luck!
Christine & Sophie
Today is day 9 and today I got a ROO and a waggy tail. My heart soared.
One day at a time!
Robin - I can picture it now and I am brimming with tears for you...YEAH!!!!!!!
Heather and Spirit Zeus - Our life changing journey…from the earth to the heavens…one day at a time…always together
Hang tough. It took Dexter a good 2 wks. before she returned to normal...wanting to go outside, eating better, energy and sparkle in her eyes. Everyday from now on you'll start noticing little improvements and before you know it, you'll have your baby back!!
Sherri & Dex
Hi Robin and Polli..
Although we are not as knowledgeable (yet) of what you are experiencing concerning post operative depression, I do know that tramadol is a very strong (people) medicine for pain. Although it is not narcotic it does pack a punch and does take the edge off the pain. Molly has had the fentynyl (?) patch removed, the tramadol removed and takes one pain pill in the a.m. Today was her first day home since having her surgery last Tuesday. Every day I went to see her for visiting hours she seemed nervous, scared, and was continually panting. Since I brought her home, she found a very obscure corner of the dining room and laid down. She has been sleeping peacefully for the past 4 1/2 hours. I do a constant check to make sure she is still breathing. I've come to the conclusion that their worlds have been turned upside down and back again. They have no idea why they have been taken from the comfort of their family and home, experiencing pain like never before, and the after effects of medications. I believe that once they realize they are home for good, the meds decreased they will bounce back ....I keep my fingers crossed. We've been praying to St. Frances the patron of pets to keep all our 'tripaws' in his care.
Molly and Mom
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