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Update on Bailey's infection and as long as everything stays good...scheduled for 4th Chemo next week.
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So glad that Bailey is doing better--it's so hard to decide what to do. I felt like you-I wanted to do 6 rounds of carbo--my husband was the one that said, "Joan, it's time to stop." He went on to emphasize his point even more, and he made me realize that it was too much for Lily. She was so exhausted and didn't have her usual voracious appetite. I knew he was right, and we stopped. I was so glad that I did--she just couldn't handle anymore. I'm glad you are talking to CSU; I called several times, and they were very helpful. I know that you will make the right decision. For me, the obsessing and second guessing was difficult. Once I made the decision to stop, I knew in my heart of hearts that it was right.

Take care,

Joan and Lily

Our beautiful Lily was diagnosed with osteosarcoma in her front leg on 12/14/11 at age 8 and had amp on 12/16/11. She completed 5 rounds of carbo. She was so brave and kicked cancer's butt daily! She lived life fully for 4 years, 3 months, and 15 days after her amp. My angel is a warrior princess. I miss her so much.

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I, too, interpreted your "selfish" comment to mean you'd want to do 5 rounds of chemo rather than stop at 4.  As you know, we did 5 b/c Jackson tolerated it well and it made me sleep better.  No regrets there.  I frankly would have done 6, but #5 was a battle with hubby, so that was our compromise.

I have the Colorado State paper, sent directly to me from its lead author, Laura Selmic.  Here's the skinny:

...you know what?  I'm geeking out and will post what Rene has been after for a while....I'll break down the article and present my thoughts to you on it.  Stay tuned!

Back to Bailey: her progression through her chemo has been tough, but you know what to expect now.  Does that make it easier....on her?  Important things to consider when thinking about 4 vs 5 vs 6 rounds.

I'm glad she's back at it!  Way to bounce back, Bailey!!!

~ Katy & Jackson

Katy,

 

CSU talked to me briefly but I think I may call them back.  Basically they said they never heard of the side effects Bailey was having with carbo. 

What did you mean when you said "Here's the skinny:

...you know what? I'm geeking out and will post what Rene has been after for a while... I'll break down the article and present my thoughts to you on it.  Stay tuned!"

Did this mean you had more info laughing  I appreciate EVERYTHING FROM THIS THREAD!  Do I want to do 5 rounds in my head yes in my heart NO.  But I'm so worried she won't handle the pill form... she's so sensitive.  Bailey carrying her blanket outside to go potty makes my day... seeing her lay there with small eyes and not those big round eyes makes me want to cry.

Tonight we have another issue... her bum is bothering her.  The other area cleared but now her bum is bleeding from licking.  I'm calling tomorrow.  I'm almost sure this is when her blood count drops so low and her immune system is down. 

Does anyone know if grain free dog food could cause yeast infections... I'm starting to thing the redness and blisters from licking are a yeast infection that irritates the heck out of her???  I know I try and try to figure things out.

For now Bailey is sleeping on her bed after I did a warm washcloth on her bum.  She did eat 2 cups of kibble but with chicken noodle soup on it about a 4 tablespoons of the broth and a few little chicken pieces, then for snack she did eat whole vanilla yogurt along with two tablespoons of pumpkin... 

She's so funny when she gets over the hump, she is so jealous of anyone giving Bella our older Dane loving... she comes over and grabs your arm, she never use to do that! The she gets a deep growl playful bark going and pouncing... 

I just don't know I'm so confused.  I know my husband hates to see her like this and gets mad and always says and why do you want to keep putting her through this.  I guess in my heart I don't I don't like to see her like that but then I second guess myself on the... what if?  crying

I love you guys and without this web site and support I'm sure I would be on more medications than I'm already on... Xanax sure does help at night!  blush

HUGS and God Bless everyone for supporting us.

Love,

Tracy and Bailey

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4 June 2014 - 11:26 pm
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OK this is how Bailey is with her kibble...  it's always a game... but Campbells Chicken Noodle soup broth and a few pieces of chicken did the trick tonight but she does this every time.  Has anyone every had a dog that did this?  It's not the kibble we did switch to grain free but did it gradually and even offered her other food she use to be on Lamb and Rice side by side and she did it to both the bowls... she' a little stinker.

 

https://www.fac.....5921946865

 

She never did this before her amp.  It started after her amputation... silly girl

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5 June 2014 - 8:47 am
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HECK!!! Couldn't see the video! Said I had to log-in and be a facebooger! Ugh! Anyother way to post it?

I know of you put it on YouTube we can see ot. Don't want to miss any pictures of this special girl!!!

Happy Hannah had a glorious additional bonus time of over one yr & two months after amp for osteo! She made me laugh everyday! Joined April's Angels after send off meal of steak, ice cream, M&Ms & deer poop!

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Have you tried feeding her on another surface?  Like a ceramic or glass bowl vs stainless steel vs the floor?

In a way, I don't have any more information regarding chemo options than you or anyone else.  I have the original scientific paper that our oncos *supposedly* refer to.  I hope they've all read it, but I know what it's like to be bombarded with sci articles all the time.  Sometimes all they read is the abstract and listen to what their peers advise....

That said, I read it and have a list of questions for the lead author.  I sent the email a few weeks ago and haven't heard anything.  I may not, and I get that.  Some major notes from the study:

- it doesn't matter which chemo option your pet got as far as survival rates/times go.  Side effects mattered, though. Some options were tougher than others. (We know this and since Bailey is already on a plan, you wouldn't change anyway.)

- it does matter if your pet dropped out of chemo!  Dropout rates are nearly 50% and that can be b/c of mets, costs, side effects, etc.  Sticking with it and completing the chemo protocol made a diff in survival times.  (Bailey has stuck with it and hasn't dropped out, so that's SUPERB!!!!)

- there was no statistical difference between the pups that completed 4 or 6 rounds of carbo: 325 days survival time vs 390.  There was no statistical diff.  That could be, though, b/c there weren't enough dogs enrolled at that point.  It's easy to see that 390>325 and to us, that could be important. (YOU need to weigh Bailey's side effects!)

- they didn't test 4 vs 5 vs 6 rounds of carbo.  Keep that in mind!

- And, something that I wish I had known at the start of this is these things all predict worse outcomes for OSA patients: tumors in the proximal humerus and elevated ALPs and increased mitotic indices.  These values are what presented AT diagnosis.

- Older dogs, heavier dogs, and lymphocyte counts also predict better OR worse prognoses.  These values are what presented AT diagnosis.  Ok, so what I wrote isn't helpful, as I wrote: "better OR worse".  That's b/c I'm new to reading these tables and I'm unclear if I'm interpreting them correctly.  I read long ago that younger dogs had worse prognoses than older, but I think the stats in these tables show the opposite.  This would be something talking to your onco about: age, weight, and lymphocyte counts matter, but in what direction?

 

I think knowing these predictors in terms of survival times would make a difference for some folks fighting OSA.  Some may select to be more aggressive or less, given what predictors are realized for the pet in question.  Others may still decide to throw everything at the cancer.  Info is power!

~ Katy & Jackson 

ACL tear in right hind leg 12/5/12 and scheduled ACL repair surgery 12/21/12. Pre-op xrays revealed osteosarcoma. Amputation 12/28/12.  Chemo (carboplatin) started Jan 10, 2013 and ended on April 5, for a total of 5 doses. He handled carbo like a champ!  No side effects.  We started metronomic therapy at his third chemo and have been also doing some holistic treatments.  He's a lively, playful 10 year old huskie-boarder collie and a very proud member of the Winter Warriors!  Our love. Our funny little guy!

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