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So to recap a little, Yoda did have vomiting after his third chemo last Thursday, but the Cerenia the oncologist prescribed did the trick and he was back to eating right away and insisting on loooong walks. He took the Cerenia for five days, so he's been off it a couple days now and his tummy is still happy with him.
But on Monday, he didn't want to get in the car. I was going to take him to the dog park in the morning, but he kept looking away from the door and stepping away from it. So that was the first time I tried not to panic, because I suspect that when he inexplicably stopped wanting to get in the car like this over a year ago, was when he was first feeling the tumor. It was a long time after that before he started limping, and if I would attempt to pick him up and put him in, he would usually opt to hop in himself and once we got to the park he would run and run, so it was hard to imagine he wasn't getting in because he was in any pain. I eventually had him checked out anyway (by one of his usual vets), and she felt him all over and determined it was probably behavioral. But I couldn't come up with a behavioral explanation and then eventually the limping occurred, finally the dianosis, the amputation and after the amputation, Yoda would get in the car again.
So, back to the near-present, I coaxed Yoda into the car later that evening, but it still took a lot of convincing and we went to the park and he took more rests during that visit, but it was also more humid.
Today Yoda had to go in for his CBC and when I came to pick him up his oncologist told me they felt he was favoring his right back leg and had I observed anything like that. I told her about him not wanting to get in the car on Monday, but that he had been better this morning (however he did need more coaxing again when we left), and sometimes I have noticed him lift his back leg for no apparent reason and put it back down, but I figured he was just adjusting his balance.
Monday my first thought when he didn't want to get in was that the cancer was back. I know there could be other reasons, like maybe he was getting motion sick because his stomach wasn't quite 100% even with the Cerenia, or his leg could be hurting from a strain of some sort rather than a tumor, but I've kind of got this link in my head now between him not wanting to get in the car and his cancer.
But she told me that a specialist felt all over and moved him in all sorts of ways and he tolerated everything, even better than they might have expected him to. And, I don't know, to me his walking seems normal (the "new normal") but I can't be sure. Yeah, I can see that he seems to be putting a little less weight on his right back leg, but I kinda of thought that was a balance thing. His remaining front leg is his left, and it's not in the middle like a tripod or three-legged stool, so I imagined that it was easier for him to put more weight on both his left legs so that he doesn't tip too far to the right up front where he's missing a leg. But what do I know? I have two legs and they've had lots of three-legged dogs come through the vet school so they would know what looks normal balance-wise and what doesn't. And to hear that they felt him all over and everything isn't that reassuring for me. Yoda went undiagnosed for a long time because x-rays were put off or focused on where they expected the problem to be (his shoulder) because they didn't find anythin when they felt his leg all over and moved it around. Still, I remind myself, now he's being seen by specialists who know he has cancer, so they're specifically looking to rule out a tumor - unlike before, where if the possibility of a tumor crossed their minds, they never mentioned it to me.
I kind of want to just ask to do the radiographs anyway, but the oncologist recommended just waiting and watching. Money is an issue for me, the amputation and chemo are taking me right to the edge of my savings, but I should be able to handle radiographs. It's what could come after the radiographs that would be a problem, but I'd still rather know the bad news as soon as possible. Though it would be unfortunate if I spent the money on the radiographs unnecessarily and he's really fine.
Anyone have a similar experience or helpful insight? Or we'll take some unconditional support too as I mull over this dilemma.
Yoda&Mom united: 9/5/06 …….… Yoda&Leg separated: 6/5/09……… Yoda&Leg reunited: 10/14/09 ……… ……………….………….………….……. Yoda&Mom NEVER separated! …………………….….……....….…… Though Spirit Yoda currently free-lances as a rabbit hunting instructor for tripawds nationwide
ugh, I'm afraid I don't have helpful insight to offer, other than knowing how horrible you must be feeling, not knowing what the problem is. Certainly he could have overdone it - that is easy to imagine (Tazzie for one is refusing to move this morning after amazing me with a short run - yes, run - after two dogs yesterday). But it would be nice to see an xray.
When are you next scheduled for lung x-rays (is that done before or after the 3rd chemo?)? I only ask because it is usually cheaper to have additional xrays done at the same time.
Could he be more lethargic just because it is about 7-10 days post-chemo, when blood counts are supposed to be at their lowest and the dogs are supposedly sometimes lethargic?
I am really getting to know 'that look'. I offer food to Tazzie and he 'looks away' in the most dramatic pose possible! I can just imagine Yoda doing the same thing when you offer him a 'car ride'.
Here's hoping you find helpful insight elsewhere and lots of unconditional support in the meantime,
Susan & Tazzie 2
Hi Yoda's Mom
I can only offer unconditional support. In your shoes, I'd be as upset as you are. And I am, since Yoda is part of our "family". This is the time to remind yourself of the One Day at a Time way of living. What can you do to make this moment wonderful for you and Yoda--focus on that.
I'd vote for a short Wait and Watch--what would you do differently if you learned bad news? If it's love Yoda more, you could do that without spending the money.
I hope the doctors are paying attention, and I hope you and Yoda have a wonderful day.
Mary
Cemil and mom Mary, Mujde and Radzi….appreciating and enjoying Today
Oh I'm so sorry! The not knowing and speculating really is the hardest part, and it can make us crazy!! When we were waiting for x-rays and the diagnosis when this all started, my tummy was in knots literally all day where I had stomach cramps and/or felt like I was going to throw up. We were supposed to have our next set of x-rays yesterday but couldn't do it financially so will have to do it next week or at our next chemo. I asked about what our move will be when mets appear and asked about metronomic protocol, but our oncologist said she would prefer to put him on carboplatin. I think that once we know our little dogs have cancer, we (or at least I do) tend to make every little thing into a cancer issue. Like, "oh my gosh, he's breathing funny, maybe the cancer is back", but ya know, sometimes dogs just breathe funny! If you can afford the radiographs I would go ahead and do them just to put your mind at ease or know what your next move will be. That's the thing about cancer...it sucks, but there are so many options on how to deal with it. I wish you guys luck because Yoda is Jack's little cancer journey companion 🙂
<3 Laura and Jackers
OK, so we all know that we should not panic, but we all have been there. Thus, put your mind at rest – all sorts of things go though our heads that are more driven by our hearts and not logic. Take a deep breath, give a prayer of thankfulness for the how well you have done and now let's talk.
Nearly all of our tripawd companions will have setbacks during our journey and most are just a setbacks. A month after Cherry's last chemotherapy treatment, she bloated with her stomach nearly as large as a soccer ball. I immediately went into panic mode and thought the worst – torsion. Knowing that I would probably loose Cherry if it were torsion and just hours after our vet closed on Saturday for the weekend, we settled down to make her as comfortable as possible. I moved from panic to logic as much as I could. Cutting the story down to get to the point, on Monday we took xrays which showed not torsion, no blockage and to the extent possible no mets. Were the xrays a waist of time? Not to me because it gave me piece of mind. We treated the other symptoms and it took nearly six weeks for Cherry to return to her pre-bloat state. All of this was more than five months ago and it has happened to a much smaller degree a second time. We do not know what caused it and probably never will.
Your concern is well founded and you have been an excellent pawrent in attempting to find the problem immediately. It does not suprise me that you know even the most smallest of changes to Yoda. You are a very caring pawrent. I cannot say that this will prove to be nothing but a waste of energy, but I can say that you have/are doing everything possible to deal with this setback. You can do no more except to give Yoda a hug from a California Standard Poodle. Keep us posted and know that you have all the positive thoughts we can send your way.
Bob & Cherry
Hi Yodasmom, like everybody has said, I hope that this is just a temporary setback for his recovery journey.
Any chance that Yoda had overworked his legs when he insisted on those long walks? The timing of the vet's discovery of Yoda favoring one of his hind legs coincides with the long walk sessions prior. Limit his activity for a couple of days, if the favoring of one leg still persists, perhaps more sophiscated scans is needed in order to pick up something which x-rays can't. Let's hope for the best senario that he just over did it.
Keep thinking positive. Cheers!
Thank you all so much!! I didn't expect so many replies so soon and they really help!
Genie – yeah it crossed my mind that he may have pushed me into letting him overdo it. He sits and pouts when at certain intersections where he wants to extend the walk and I've caved far too often. I won't let him push me around for the next couple weeks and hopefully I'll see some improvement from that. What worries me is that I won't see any change in either direction (which was how it was with his original limp for a long time), but something will actually be wrong . He doesn't see the vet again for two weeks – seems like such a long time.
Susan – Yoda had his lung x-rays with his chemo last week. I think he gets another a month after his fourth and last chemo. But it was clear! So there's every reason to hope that if his back leg is hurting, that it's not cancer-related… it's just so hard not to assume it is – as Jack's mom Laura pointed out in her post (so true!)
I'd like to thank you for and respond to each of your posts, they're so appreciated, but I'll be late for work if I do! I'll check back later tonight, of course. For now, I'm not so much waiting and watching as I'm waiting, watching & considering whether to wait and watch… or just ask to do those radiographs asap.
Yoda&Mom united: 9/5/06 …….… Yoda&Leg separated: 6/5/09……… Yoda&Leg reunited: 10/14/09 ……… ……………….………….………….……. Yoda&Mom NEVER separated! …………………….….……....….…… Though Spirit Yoda currently free-lances as a rabbit hunting instructor for tripawds nationwide
Yoda's Mom.
I'm sorry you are going through so much stress with Yoda's leg. Take heart in what Laura and Jack said. I imagine we all do think everything is related to cancer but sometimes a sore leg is just a sore leg. The fact that Yoda didn't want to get in the car amd then he was diagnosed is probably just burned in your brain and so you notice that more than you may have before. You have specialist looking at Yoda now. Try to have faith in them. You and Yoda are in my prayers.
Debra (Emily's Mom)
Debra & Emily, a five year old doberman mix, who was diagnosed with an osteosaecoma. She had a right rear leg amputation on May 19, 2009. On November 10, 2009 she earned her wings and regained her fourth leg.
Zeus sometimes stands like a true tripawd....(we had a right front leg amputation), but he OFTEN leans all his weight on his left side...which makes NO sense to me, but hey - what do I know? I'm also "trying not to panic" because he is much slower and less likely to want to walk very far lately...but you know what? It's freaking 95 degrees and the air can be cut with a knife with all the humidity. I don't like to take my long walks in the evenings either and often cut them in half - imagine what they are dealing with...AND all that fur!
Breathe deeply...listen to your heart and wait it out for a few days while limiting activity. You can stretch the legs out a bit and "exercise them" yourself imitating the motion so that the joints get movement...what about some ice? This will also give you "mommy and me" time with Yoda - I love laying on the floor with Zeus and doing this. He's also great at listening to me vent sometimes and guess what...he listens to everything I say!
Try some of everyone's suggestions for a week and if it doesn't improve, think about the next step...
Please keep us posted.
Hugs,
Heather and Zeus
Heather and Spirit Zeus - Our life changing journey…from the earth to the heavens…one day at a time…always together
Debra & Emily - Yes, I should trust the specialists more and believe them that it's too early to panic. I'm not used to vets seeing problems with Yoda before I do. I'm more accustomed to having to insist things aren't right. Maybe for once the vets over-reacted a little and upon closer inspection they're right that Yoda's back leg may be fine after all.
Susan & T2 - I heard back about Yoda's CBC results this afternoon and they were good. In any case, I don't think I can classify Yoda's resistance to get in the car as lethargy. For example, tonight he took off into the backyard in search of rabbits when I let him out tonight, and I swear he was moving as fast as he ever went on four legs. He still ran about the dog park the day he didn't want to get in the car, but it did seem like less than the “new normal” (but it was humid). When he first stop wanting to get in the car pre-limp, he was the same way, plenty active, but inexplicably resisted gettingin the car. So it could have been something behavioral and unrelated to the tumor that has returned, but the clincher for me is that after Yoda's amputation, Yoda wanted to get in the car again.
Heather & Zeus – I so wanted to hear that from someone! That someone else's tripawd leans more to their double-leg side. I still find it hard to look at how he's walking and standing and believe that there's something wrong with it. He gets around so well! But on the other hand, Yoda is the only three-legged dog I've known and the vets have seen many. But if it weren't for the problems with getting Yoda in the car, I think I wouldn't have given her concern about his back leg much credence at all today. I would have watched him, of course, but not worried about it unless something got worse. Especially since she really did seem to think maybe it was a false alarm since the other specialist couldn't find anything wrong in his exam.
Sorry to hear about the humid 95 degrees! Whew! I hope that weather cools off for you asap to prove that Zeus is just reacting to all the heat, and because that's just too hot period!
Well I'm starting to think and write in circles like a dog chasing his tail. Gonna wait, watch, and take it a little easier with Yoda for a few days… too bad we had a play date with a co-worker and her dogs set for Sunday. Perhaps I'll call the vet and see what she thinks about it.
Thanks again everybody for all your caring words, thoughts and prayers!
Yoda&Mom united: 9/5/06 …….… Yoda&Leg separated: 6/5/09……… Yoda&Leg reunited: 10/14/09 ……… ……………….………….………….……. Yoda&Mom NEVER separated! …………………….….……....….…… Though Spirit Yoda currently free-lances as a rabbit hunting instructor for tripawds nationwide
Hi Yoda's Mom,
It's hard not to worry when you have just gone thru what you have, but try not to let Yoda know you're worried. On a brighter note, Chuy is a lft. frt. amputee and he tends to lean on his right legs, so Yoda isn't alone in that part of it.
What I do know is that if Yoda overdid his running/exercise/walk, he may have strained that rear leg muscle or possibly have a minor tear in the ACL. Sometimes they will limp for a day and then it will stop, then start again a few days later, then stop again. The ACL, when strained, can tear slightly or totally, depending on the amount of stress imposed. If it were a total tear, Yoda would most likely not put weight on it as much as possible. Let him rest, shorten those walks and playtime at the park. He needs to build up the muscles in both his back legs and his frt. leg now. They are all carrying extra weight that they aren't used to. You may want to see if you can get therapy for him to help do that. It really helped Chuy with his muscle building, now we're working on his stamina.
Keep us posted!
Eleanor & Chuy
Chuy, showing everyone that Tripawds do everything 3 times better than regular dogs!
Thanks to everyone's support I am determined to stop worrying and did pretty well at that today. I'm settled on a plan finally. If anything gets worse, I'll get Yoda in for radiographs and if he still isn't wanting to get in the car in a couple weeks when it's time to go in for his last chemo, then I'll ask for them even if the vet doesn't think it's necessary.
It is gonna take a little work to get Yoda to take it easy - especially after last night! My roommate's dog caught a rabbit. They were both so excited. Yoda has caught three or four in his time and he is determined to catch another now - he flew out the door tonight! (Sigh) We'll just have to brush up on our door manners and stick to walks at night.
Yoda&Mom united: 9/5/06 …….… Yoda&Leg separated: 6/5/09……… Yoda&Leg reunited: 10/14/09 ……… ……………….………….………….……. Yoda&Mom NEVER separated! …………………….….……....….…… Though Spirit Yoda currently free-lances as a rabbit hunting instructor for tripawds nationwide
Yoda is not about to take it easy if you don't.
It's great to see so many replies. We've been on the road for the past few days and are just catching up. Best wishes to you and Yoda.
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YodasMom said:
Thanks to everyone's support I am determined to stop worrying and did pretty well at that today. I'm settled on a plan finally. If anything gets worse, I'll get Yoda in for radiographs and if he still isn't wanting to get in the car in a couple weeks when it's time to go in for his last chemo, then I'll ask for them even if the vet doesn't think it's necessary.
It is gonna take a little work to get Yoda to take it easy – especially after last night! My roommate's dog caught a rabbit. They were both so excited. Yoda has caught three or four in his time and he is determined to catch another now – he flew out the door tonight! (Sigh) We'll just have to brush up on our door manners and stick to walks at night.
It is so hard not to worry initially. You get so focused on watching their every move. I'm so glad to hear yoiu have convinced yourself not to worry AND settled on a plan, that is two giant steps for you. Yoda is obviously young and strong and not allowing a little inconvenience to get in his way! Getting him past treatment and recovery he should be just great.
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