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Hello,
Ollie's hospital is about 1-2 hrs away depending on traffic, and we also have an orthopedic specialty place half that distance he was going to go to but they referred us to this place with the general surgeons since it has the oncology follow up care. I so wish we had gone to the specialist. I could call them tomorrow I suppose but I can't imagine being able to get in right away or them necessarily taking over another surgeon's post op care? It's so frustrating and overwhelming.
They did see him do the movement but haven't really offered an explanation, just added the gabapentin and Robaxin and the sedative to give him a break. Said they haven't heard of it before. Also said he should be doing much better in 3-4 days on wed. And tomorrow will be 5 days. We will see how he is today but I've started to not expect much chsnge. He is still sedated right now so when it wears off we will have a better idea.
Thanks for posting his case under Ask a Vet. I will check that for a response.
❤️ To everyone
Chiming in to say the sort of standard baseline / average prescribed dosage for Gabapentin is 5 mg per pound up to 3 times daily, so that puts 600 mg for Charlie certainly a safe dosage. Pofi took 300 mg every 8 hours and weighed just over half of Charlie's weight. But my surgeon did say we had room to safely go up from there - we could have tried 400 mg if needed.
So definitely, whoever you talk to, see if a SLIGHT increase on any med is possible, but I agree with everyone on staggering to try to cover the wax and wane in efficacy of the different drugs.
The spasming is more extreme than I have personal experience of. But I can tell you I think it was a solid 4 days before the full benefit of Gabapentin seemed apparent with Pofi; this was pre-surgical as his cancer was a nerve sheath tumor and the nerve pain was already acute before amputation.
Sending good vibes to you and Charlie.
Lisa, Minneapolis
On October 27, 2016, nearly 6 months after amputation, and 18 months since his cancer likely started, we lost Pofi to a recurrence of Soft Tissue Sarcoma in his spine quite suddenly. His canine sister also succumbed to cancer on March 1, 2019 - we lavished her with our love in the interim, but life was never quite the same without her only real canine friend. Cliff kitty had to leave us, too, suddenly, in August 2019. Lucia kitty grieved all these losses, but helped us welcome two new Lurchers into our home and our lives, Shae and Barley.
Thank you so much Lisa, that gives me some hope we could see improvement yet. It's hard to know whether to increase the gabapentin or the Robaxin at this point. But it does seem like right now he is more comforted after we give him the robaxin/codeine combo than following the gabapentin, now that it's staggered. But who knows, it could be the combination of them all. Just hoping to find a dose for the meds that will allow us to stop the ace and not increase the codeine. And praying its muscle spasms or phantom limb pain that will dissipate over time rather than a complication.
Little late to the discussion, but wanted to share my experience with Ace. I've only ever used it to relax dogs that were insanely terrified of thunderstorms -- IE jump through window to escape and claw/chew through doors. Each time I found I had to get the meds in the dog before any sign of a storm. And to keep him from even remotely panicking, I had to give it 30 minutes before the first lightning flash or thunder rumble. Otherwise, he'd be already so wound up and stressed out that it had zero effect, even when we doubled it. When it took hold, both dogs that used it for this, were literally stumbling drunk.
This may be something to ask. It also may be something that makes a vet roll his eyes and say "that's a stupid question from someone on the Internet." Ace is avoided in horses for any foot or hind-end work as Ace is prone to making them kick and goosey. You might consider asking your vet to look into whether there's even a small, remote chance that the same side-effect can occur in dogs. In which case, that might be making him hyper-sensitive to anything going on in the hind. I expect that the chances of it are extremely small in dogs, but... shrug. Might be worth being chuckled at 🙂
Hello everyone,
Big news all around, first off he pooped again, and has gone twice since, he was definitely a bit impacted so glad that is no longer an issue. Also, I sent his video along with Ollie's to our surgeon and after passing it around their practice no one had heard of anything like this happening, so the neurologist there added Amantidine to help with the neuropathic pain it seems he is having, attributing it to a "nerve response.". This has helped him be more alert and able bodied and he can now walk all around and go to the bathroom on his own, a huge improvement. We even had a tail wag and were able to get him out laying in the sun today.
All that said he is still having his horrible pain spasm episodes all the time and nothing seems to help. I think the gabapentin and Amantidine are taking the intensity down a few notches but he is still really suffering. So I emailed Ollie's animal hospital along with the video and the chief of surgery responded immediately, and he is seeing him tomorrow before he leaves for a conference! His email was so caring and the fact he made time for him almost brought me to tears. He will sedate him and do the same diagnostic ultrasound he did with Ollie checking the sciatic and femoral nerves. He will try to inject them if they look problematic or do surgery if the end needs taken out like Ollie's did, and if nothing is abnormal and he can't figure it out he will give him an epidural to give him some relief.
So praying it all goes well. Not sure how the hour plus ride will be with my poor 75 yo mother having to somehow deal with an anxious painful 120 pound amputee in the back seat, but hopefully it will all be worth it.
Thanks to all of you and thank you Jerry so much for telling me about Ollie's story. I need to PM her and let her know. I don't know what I would do without you all!
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What a promising update!! So happy Ollie's story and surgeon may end up being of help to Charlie!!
And, of course, happy about !
Lisa, Minneapolis
On October 27, 2016, nearly 6 months after amputation, and 18 months since his cancer likely started, we lost Pofi to a recurrence of Soft Tissue Sarcoma in his spine quite suddenly. His canine sister also succumbed to cancer on March 1, 2019 - we lavished her with our love in the interim, but life was never quite the same without her only real canine friend. Cliff kitty had to leave us, too, suddenly, in August 2019. Lucia kitty grieved all these losses, but helped us welcome two new Lurchers into our home and our lives, Shae and Barley.
This is THE best post we've had since this whole ordeal started! I guarantee I'm not the only one here shedding some happy tears!!! 🙂 PROGESS!!! IMPROVEMENT!!!! A TAIL WAG!!!
And YAAAAAAAAAY FOR ANOTHER POOP!!!
FINALLY it sounds like Charlie is getting to the right Specialist!!! He has a plan and he has some solutions!!
I know it's been hard getting to his point, but yo an finally see Charlie can...an will get past this!!
And know you are tired of hearing us say this...but hang in there!!! This is proof beynd a shadoow of a doubt that every recovery is different!! We learn something new almost everytime and that helps us all be better support for the next member who faces this journey.
Help is in the way!!
Lots of love!
Sally and Alumni Happy Hannah and Merry Myrtle and Frankie too!
Happy Hannah had a glorious additional bonus time of over one yr & two months after amp for osteo! She made me laugh everyday! Joined April's Angels after send off meal of steak, ice cream, M&Ms & deer poop!
Wow, what a pawesome advocate you are! This just makes me so happy to know how the community has helped a member during a very difficult time. I'm thrilled you are able to get into Ollies clinic and hope the find the cause. Friendship Hospital is the best. Please keep us posted ok? And tell your mom we think she is awesome. You and she are quite a team!!!
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Wow! This is great news. And I am really impressed that Ollie's surgeon was so helpful and compassionate. Hopefully he will be able to help you out! And hooray for!
Otis - 106 pound lab/Dane mix, lost his right front leg to osteosarcoma on Febuary 9, 2016. Four rounds of carboplatin completed in April, 2016. Lung mets August 25, 2016. Said goodbye too soon on September 4, 2016. Lost his adopted sister, Tess, suddenly on October 9, 2016. likely due to hemangiosarcoma.
Wherever they are, they are together.
Wish I had seen this sooner, but I am SO HAPPY Dr. Glassman is able to help. I would have told you sooner that they're wonderful and willing to fit anyone in. We were emailing him at all hours when we were dealing with Oliver's pain, and they're just a wonderful hospital. From what I saw/reading, it really does sound like he's having the phantom pains associated with an agitated nerve. It's so difficult to witness, but I hope that the car ride is as calm as can be. I hated ACE when they put Oliver on it, but it was the only way we ever got any sleep (before they found out that his sciatic nerve was severely inflamed). Dr. Glassman will probably call you after the procedure. We had that procedure done and that same day he called me at work saying he wanted to do the second surgery to cut the inflamed nerve out. That did the trick. He did get a small infection from the 2nd surgery (because 2 surgeries in 2 weeks is a lot!) So, I'll be checking in to hear what happened, especially if they have to go back in. I may be able to help a bit with what to look for in terms of post-op after a 2nd surgery.
I really hope they help!!!
How is Ollie doing? Great to hear from you again.
Otis - 106 pound lab/Dane mix, lost his right front leg to osteosarcoma on Febuary 9, 2016. Four rounds of carboplatin completed in April, 2016. Lung mets August 25, 2016. Said goodbye too soon on September 4, 2016. Lost his adopted sister, Tess, suddenly on October 9, 2016. likely due to hemangiosarcoma.
Wherever they are, they are together.
Oliver is doing great. After the 2nd surgery and treatment of his infection, things were just night and day. That's why I am hoping this helps. Oliver is jumping over tree boxes, doing great in physical therapy, and his disposition is bright and cheery. He had some nausea with his palladia chemo treatments, but they bumped it down 5 mg. and put him on some anti-nausea medication. His blood work has looked great every month he's been on the treatment & we'll get an internal check after 6 months of chemo.
By far, the hardest part were those 2 weeks when we couldn't get his pain to go away. So, I sympathize with my whole heart & hope that this site + the specialists at Friendship help Charlie!
So glad Ollie is doing well! Hopefully Charlie will get there too.
Otis - 106 pound lab/Dane mix, lost his right front leg to osteosarcoma on Febuary 9, 2016. Four rounds of carboplatin completed in April, 2016. Lung mets August 25, 2016. Said goodbye too soon on September 4, 2016. Lost his adopted sister, Tess, suddenly on October 9, 2016. likely due to hemangiosarcoma.
Wherever they are, they are together.
Soooooo glad Oliver iis able to enjoy a pain free life now!!! DELIGHTFUL NEWS!!! 🙂
May be wrong in this, but I think maybe Christine (Otis's mom), or Lisa (Pofi), used Pepcid, as well as Cerenia, also to help with tummy upset from Palladia
All paws crossed that Charlie can finally get in with Loving Life On Three Legs !
Hugs to all!
Sally and Alumni Happy Hannah and Merry Myrtle and Frankie too!
Happy Hannah had a glorious additional bonus time of over one yr & two months after amp for osteo! She made me laugh everyday! Joined April's Angels after send off meal of steak, ice cream, M&Ms & deer poop!
Yes - Otis was put on daily Pepcid A/C during chemo # 2, came off about a month after his last chemo, and went back on for the Palladia. We also had Cerenia during the Palladia, but had not gotten into a rhythm on when to use it. I think Pofi takes the Cerenia about one hour before the Palladia every day he takes Palladia.
Otis - 106 pound lab/Dane mix, lost his right front leg to osteosarcoma on Febuary 9, 2016. Four rounds of carboplatin completed in April, 2016. Lung mets August 25, 2016. Said goodbye too soon on September 4, 2016. Lost his adopted sister, Tess, suddenly on October 9, 2016. likely due to hemangiosarcoma.
Wherever they are, they are together.
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