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Not Enough Pain Meds, or Too Much?
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30 December 2021 - 2:10 pm
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Hi folks,

Sully has his amputation 12/15. He got his sutures removed yesterday. He’s doing great for a nearly 11yo Old English Sheepdog! Especially since he’s a bit overweight. We’re working on that. 

My question is about pain medication. I can’t tell if I need to taper because he’s over-medicated, or if he’s not getting quite enough to control pain. 

Sully weighed 124lbs before surgery, hopefully less now with the leg removed and his current reduced diet. The amputation was for his front right leg.

He is currently on 100mg Novox 2x/day, 600mg Gabapentin 3x/day, and 200mg Amantadine 1x/day.

Before surgery (synovial sarcoma in his shoulder), and for the first week post-amputation, he had been getting 900mg of the Gaba for each dose (3x/day), plus an extra dose of the Amantadine. Novox was the same. We’ve backed both the Amantadine and Gaba off in the past couple of days to the doses listed in the previous paragraph. 

Generally, Sully is doing well. But he does still seem quite lethargic. He’s willing and able to get up and get around when he needs to go out, or to eat and drink. But not many other times. He also seems to get very winded very quickly. If we want him to get up and walk somewhere HE doesn’t want to go, we pretty much have to force him, or bribe him with a treat. 

Today, we tried a short 10 minute walk around the yard. First time doing anything besides short potty breaks. He was very excited to get up and get in his leash and harness! But needed to stop and rest a few times after the first 5 minutes or so. And has been panting on and off since coming inside. I did ice his incision after we came in, too. 

Further, he’s had a few accidents in the house, which is mostly unlike him. This morning he got up and went out and peed no problem, then came right back in willingly, but pooped while laying on the floor shortly after coming in. I didn’t see it happen, it could have been as he was trying to stand up. 

Finally, he does eat, but he doesn’t have a great appetite. We’re using canned food to entice him, but he doesn’t always want to eat it and sometimes needs to be hand-fed to be convinced to eat. He never had a big appetite, though, and is not a food-motivated dog. Though he does still get excited about treats!

Considering all of this, should I be asking my vet to up and extend his pain meds, or should I continue backing them off because perhaps he’s getting too much? I’ve read lots of similar posts, looked at the pain signal info, and it’s still unclear to me. I feel like it could go either way Anything else to consider?

Thanks for any helpful words and for all of your wisdom! 

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30 December 2021 - 2:19 pm
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I'm so glad Sully is doing pretty well! What a huge milestone for a very big boy, it's such a relief to get those stitches out isn't it?!

Pain control is such a tricky thing. Does he have any history of being sensitive to pain medication? Was he wonky when he was on the meds before surgery? Or did that change happen after surgery? I would mention his situation to your vet and see what they think about adjusting his meds. For a dog early in recovery, at his size, the dosages sound reasonable but he may need them dialed back even more. Meanwhile...

It's still pretty early in recovery, especially for a dog his size. It takes a lot of energy to move around on three, and right now Sully's not used to it yet. A 10 minute walk is a lot at this point in time, although I know it doesn't seem like it when you consider how he used to walk. FTry not to think back to those days, and focus on now. Remember that rehab therapists tell us that even a fit Tripawd of a smaller size should only be doing 10-15 minute walks two or three times a day, long after amputation surgery is behind them, months even.

Five minutes is pretty good! At this point, Sully doesn't have the strength and stamina to go longer but that will happen in time. The poop accidents are likely because he's just too tired to go through the motions of relieving himself after a longer walk Focus on a few minutes at a time and build up. And consider booking an appointment with a canine rehabilitation therapist. They can help him get his mojo back much sooner than without therapy, and the best part is the Tripawds Foundation can pay for your first rehab visit ! Please take advantage of the program to give Sully that extra push toward a full recovery!

Stay tuned for feedback from others.

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30 December 2021 - 2:37 pm
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Thank you, Jerry! This is super helpful. Sully is sensitive to pain meds. The vets noted that after surgery, and he has to have special considerations when being anesthetized due to previous adverse reactions during other procedures. I’ll check in with the vet about further reducing the current dose of pain meds. 

And excellent to know about the walks! We’ll back it off to 5 minutes for the time being, until he’s doing better with that and building more strength. 

I’ve looked into rehab options, but haven’t yet had a chance to reach out to any. I had hoped to speak to the vet that did his surgery about that at his appointment to remove stitches yesterday, but did not get a chance (they were very busy). I’ll start making phone calls!

Thank you again!

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30 December 2021 - 6:14 pm
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Awww, Sully sounds like such a sweet boy....a BIG sweet boy!

Jerry nailed everything spot on as usual.  As she noted, just kind of dial things back a bit and maybe try a reduction  in the pain meds (with Vet approval  of course).

  Sounds like Sully may be able to handle a bit more  reduction  at this point.  (The initial dose of 900 mg 3Xday was probably bit on the high end, especially  for a dog sensitive  to meds.)  The important  is that it kept him pain free though.  Anyway, you can monitor him and if he seems a bit more "alert" but pain free, then you can stay though course.  Obviously  if he seems painful you can go back up.

As Jerry said, he's doing well this early on, especially for a big boy.  Generally it take a good two weeks to work through  the surgery recovery itself (remember,  it's  major surgery).  And it takes approximately  a month to adjust to the new gait, gain better balance and flow, etc.  

In the meantime, give Sully lots of massages  to keep muscles  from being too tight.  Go up and down his spine and neck area.  He'll love it.

Stay upbeat and confident and pawsitive.   Sully will feed off your energy.

You're  doing na beart job.  Give that sweet boy an extra treat for us🥰

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Sally and Alumni Happy Hannah and Merry Myrtle and Frankie too!

Happy Hannah had a glorious additional bonus time of over one yr & two months after amp for osteo! She made me laugh everyday! Joined April's Angels after send off meal of steak, ice cream, M&Ms & deer poop!

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30 December 2021 - 9:31 pm
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Thank you so much, Sally and family! Your advice and kind words are much appreciated. It’s so wonderful to have access to this site and everyone’s wisdom! I’m sure Sully will deeply appreciate the massage advice and extra treat that he’s due! 😊

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teddiandsully said

I’ve looked into rehab options, but haven’t yet had a chance to reach out to any. I had hoped to speak to the vet that did his surgery about that at his appointment to remove stitches yesterday, but did not get a chance (they were very busy). I’ll start making phone calls!  

Check out these directories and let us know if you need any help finding a therapist:

Search the Canine Rehab Institute Certified Canine Rehab Therapist (CCRT) Global Directory

Search the Univ. of Tennessee Certified Canine Rehab Practitioner (CCRP) Global Directory

Search the American Association of Rehab Veterinarians and Vet Techs Global Directory

We are happy to help!

Tripawds Founders Jim and Rene
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1 January 2022 - 5:55 pm
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We just sent an inquiry in to our local vet about rehab today! Happily, Sully’s regular vet practice (although not the same one that did his amputation surgery) offers post-amputation rehab, as I found on one of the lists you sent. We’re excited to hopefully get started soon!

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That's good news!  This calls for more treats to celebrate, right?

Happy Hannah had a glorious additional bonus time of over one yr & two months after amp for osteo! She made me laugh everyday! Joined April's Angels after send off meal of steak, ice cream, M&Ms & deer poop!

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