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21 July 2009 - 10:39 am
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Hi tripawds

I realize heaps of information are spread throughout posts on each case. But is there any spot that summarizes people's (dogs') experiences in the week or two post-amp - or for other stages of recovery, e.g., after chemo? It might be helpful to see the range of experiences that fall within 'normal' in one document.

Specifically, is it 'normal' for a dog to just want to lie in one place - and not move - getting close to a week after amp, even if the dog was able to move about quite well the day or two following amp? He does lift his head and look around, so is not comatose - just does not want to walk. I think I read about such a case or two. Now that I am out of the big city and back to a dial-up connection, it is particularly difficult to search the archives.

Susan

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21 July 2009 - 11:12 am
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Hi Susan,

It's so hard to say what is normal and what isn't when it comes to amputaiton. All dogs are so different in their recuperation. While many dogs will display the same kinds of post-op behaviors (i.e., panting, constipation), the length of time in which they display it is always different. Just like with people, we all have different pain tolerances and reactions to changes in health like this.

Seems like about half of the tripawds we see here are really wired as soon as they come home from the hospital. We're guessing that it's because of the pain meds that are still running through their veins, making them feel invincible. Other dogs are sleepy from the get go, and don't get to moving around for a few days.

We did post two threads that might help you. The Top Five Questions About Amputation, Part 1 and Part 2.

Only you know your dog better than anyone else. If you are unsure, call your vet, explain that you don't want to move him for the ride over there unless absolutely necessary, and see what he thinks. Keep us posted.

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21 July 2009 - 11:46 am
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Hi Jerry

Thanks for the support. I can't really do else these days other than check on Tazzie and dig into the archives on tripawds, given my current state of distraction. It is not for a lack of work sitting on my desk. This morning, the vet started to talk about planning chemo for next week. Given my worries, perhaps groundless, about his current state (will he survive the night, the day), it is premature to contemplate subjecting him to another round of treatment.

Last night, I thought he had stopped breathing a few times - this morning, he is lying down outside but seems alert. My cat, moniker "Pup" (my normal 'username' is Tazziepup, but I thought that would be confusing with Tazziedog!) is bedded next to him, acting as nurse. Of course, the torsion once month ago lies in my mind, but I don't see how that really should be affecting things now.

In checking the archives (even with dial-up), the story of Armstrong was gripping - such difficulties, such patience by the humans, and a good outcome as far as the story ran. I loved their introduction, asking if there were any dogs that did not fly off the operating table to catch a frisbee, ha! We do tend to put the good moments on videotape and fewer of the lows. Were there any more posts by Armstrong after those initial days?

Susan

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21 July 2009 - 12:30 pm
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Hi Susan,

You know, we haven't heard back from him, but I just posted in his last thread to find out how things are going. Thanks for the nudge.

Most of us here have slept with our dogs and woken up many times throughout the night wondering if they were still breathing, you'r enot alone. Glad that he has your kitty to keep watch too.

Can't blame you for being hesitant to do another round of chemo. We felt the same way right after surger. Remember, Tazzie's care is your decision and yours only, so if you're uncomfortable moving forward with anything, be sure to discuss your reasons why with your vet, and weigh all the pros and cons.

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On june 11 Armstrong posted that he contracted pneumonia and had cysts in his lungs.  His parents decided it was too much and decided to free him from his pain.  It was 2 weeks after surgery  What Ever

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21 July 2009 - 2:32 pm
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Ugh. I spaced on that, should've thought a little harder. My sincere apologies to Armstrong.

Here is the last post Armstrong wrote.

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Hi Susan:

Like Jerry says, everybody is a bit different.  However, Tika did start off strong and then lapsed into a lethargy.  We contributed it to taking off of her pain meds which she was really, really struggling with.  But if she was eating, going bathroom, sleeping 23 hours a day was okay with us.  It sure beat the panic attacks and whining, throwing up, etc.  We made her a special little bed in our living room and as long as she was with us, she would just curl up and sleep.

All in all, we feel very, very, very fortunate that we got through everything with minimal problems. I know many people had some struggles.  Of course, that didn't stop us from having heart failure with every little pant, whimper, disorientation, etc.

Another thing I had thought odd with Tika, her second eyelids were constantly exposed for about 2 weeks, stoner dog!  I started to wonder if her big beautiful brown eyes would ever show fully again.  Just some of the weirdness you experience I guess.

Take care!

Kim and Tika

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21 July 2009 - 9:20 pm
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Hey Susan,

Yoda too was surprisingly active when he first came home and then after two or three days he crashed and acted more like how one would expect a dog who had had major surgery to act and building his endurance was very gradual.  That had me scared at first too, but it seems Yoda's initial restlessness was from the pain meds and then as those effects faded he was able to get the rest he needed, and yeah he stayed down pretty much all the time unless it was time to eat or go potty outside. 

I'm trying to remember how Yoda's activity level was by the end of two weeks, when he started chemo… I believe by then Yoda had decided he was sick of short walks and so would start off our walks at top hopping speed (at the time) for as far as possible, and then, by the time I could get him to turn back towards home, we'd have to stop like five times to rest.  Stubborn mule Laugh  Anyway, the point I was intending on making was that, for Yoda, there was a lot of progress between the first and second week, and he was in good shape for the chemo.

Yoda&Mom united: 9/5/06 …….… Yoda&Leg separated: 6/5/09……… Yoda&Leg reunited: 10/14/09 ……… ……………….………….………….……. Yoda&Mom NEVER separated! …………………….….……....….…… Though Spirit Yoda currently free-lances as a rabbit hunting instructor for tripawds nationwide

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22 July 2009 - 8:13 am
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Yoda and Tika

It is helpful and reassuring to hear about your experiences. The vet seem very surprised that Tazzie wasn't running loops around the house, given his activity at the clinic (he was hyper there and normally is not a hyper dog, except during car rides).

Do you remember if Tika or Yoda looked as though they were in a bit of pain when standing or walking, during the time they were reluctant? Tazzie generally is carrying his tail down, curled up to his belly when I force him to walk (yes, I do force the issue after he spends 16 hrs inside). I don't know if he hurt something during the first day of overactivity. I fear that going up stairs (with sling) on the first morning home might have caused him to hurt something, although he does not cry out in pain when taking a step.

Other than that, he seems to be coming along - I looked outside the window this morning and saw him get up and hop two meters to poo. When a neighbour's dog came over, he hopped a few meters to meet the dog and then pee (yay, thank goodness for that dog - she is a peeing machine - normally I do not appreciate it but times have changed!).

Ahh - I guess it is time to start looking into the effects of chemo.

Susan

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22 July 2009 - 7:29 pm
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Hi Susan:

We always assumed that Tika was in pain because we took her off the major pain meds and only kept her on Deramaxx.  There was one evening when our other dog in her excitement hip checked Tika and Tika just screamed, and I never heard her do that.

I handled it well, I LOST IT.  And that's when I learned, I am largely responsible for my pups outlook, the read from me, so if I don't worry, they won't worry. If I freak out, they are going to freak out and be really, really, sad.

Somewhere in the first month, Tika who had been sleeping like crazy, just came alive and marched upstairs as if to say, what's up with you guys. Wake up, it's time to do something. We've been doing great ever since.  Right now, 7 months later, 5 years old, she's downstairs picking fights with her 'sister' and chewing my husband and I out. (We had car problems and were late, HOW DARE WE)

When she started chemo, and I can't remember the dosage. It was every two weeks though, she would crash for about 48 hours and then rebound.  She's on the metronomic protocol now and doing well with it after the initial balancing act of the meds.  

I was talking to somebody at the dog park last weekend that had a TriPawd and we were comparing stories, she said her little terrier took about a month before it truly became comfortable with the missing leg. However, that poor pup had its leg removed by another dog and then fixed up by a surgeon, unlike Tika who had hers nicely removed by a wonderful surgeon. 

So to end with a funny story.  Tika is a girl dog, but one of those leg lifting girl dogs. To this day, she STILL will try to left her leg. And by golly, if she hasn't learned to transfer her weight to that big barrel chest of hers and pull it off. Sometimes, she tips over, my mom said it looks like the guy on the tricycle from Benny Hill if you remember that.  Every time she does it, the sloppiest malamute face you see beams up on you like "wasn't that neat?"

I have full faith that you'll get to that point.  Get through that first part and the chemo and enjoy your moments.  You will have plenty!

--Kim and Tika 

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22 July 2009 - 7:56 pm
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Hi Susan - I hope things are getting better for you and your baby. It's sooooo hard the first few weeks and even through chemo (if you choose to do it). I echo what everyone has said about sleeping on the floor and being affected by every move they make...or don't make. Zeus was pretty steady during the first two week recovery - not too lethargic and not running crazy either. He did pant the entire time until he got his stitches out and stopped the meds and of course I had to take him in at least 4 times during that 2 week period to make sure he was OK. We forget that they have been through MAJOR surgery and they too need time to adjust and rest and recover. Dogs usually bounce back quickly from anything and when that doesn't happen, it makes us nervous right? right! 

Stay pawsitive and upbeat around her - don't let her see you cry (if you can help it) or feel sad or scared - she will mirror that emotion. I would go into another room to cry when I needed to so Zeus wouldn't see me - sounds ridiculous, but I really believe that the more pawsitive I am, the more pawsitive his outcome. We are almost 16 months post amputation and no signs of cancer anywhere. 

Good luck, get some rest (very important for the pawrents to get rest too) and keep us posted.

Love

Heather and Zeus 

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Emerson is one week and one day post amp.  Our baby is a 10 year old Bouvier mix and same story here.  He was pretty active over the weekend...Monday and yesterday he just wanted to rest.  He will go out to pee and poop - but gets done, goes back into the house and right on his bed.  He does pant quite a bit.  We start chemo on Monday. 

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Okay, Zeus, Tazzie here. Now let's get a few things straight. Just because I don't have a particular macho name like Zeus, and I happen to have (or make that 'had', there is not much left now) long flowing blond hair does not mean I am any less of a man. I came with the name Tazz when my mum adopted me.

Tika - a friend who is a vet tech says that nearly all malamutes that come into the clinic cry and moan, regardless of the type of surgery and sometimes even if they do not have surgery. This friend is prone to exaggeration, but I expect Tika is more likely to cry and talk than tripawds of many other breeds. It might not mean she (or is that he, ha) is in a lot of pain

Emerson - welcome to the club. It will be helpful to compare notes along the way. It sounds as though many of the similar-sized dogs (Cemil, Yoda, Tika) followed a somewhat similarly path during the first two weeks.

If I were more motivated, I might distribute a little survey each of us could complete to summarize how and what we did post-amp and post-chemo. We must have a larger sample of tripawds, however biased our group might be, due to bone cancer here than most vets will ever see.

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Hi again Susan,

I was very worried that Yoda's remaining front leg was in pain during the first week or so because he licked his "wrist" A LOT.  I started to fear there was another tumor there because the night before they found his original tumor he was licking where the tumor was a lot.  I couldn't talk myself out of that worry so I asked about getting it x-rayed and one of the vets at the vet school explained that it would be very unlikely (not that reassuring), and he was probably just licking there because it was near an injection site.  Then Yoda also had these brief spells (probably 30 second or less) where he'd stop mid-way between getting up or laying down and cry like he was in pain and stuck.  But, he was getting around fine otherwise, when he wanted to, to go out and such, so I'm thinking it may have been phantom limb pain.  In any case, I haven't witnessed that since... probably his third week post-amp.  And, as I recall, there was some tail curling under.  Not all the time.  I interpereted it as Yoda was just nervous about getting going, and then he'd relax and his tail would uncurl.

I hope that input helps.  Amazing times are ahead of Tazzie!  Yoda and I just had a fantastic trip to MN to visit an old friend and former roommate of his and they wrestled at the house and went nuts together at their dog park up there!  I'll be posting about our trip soon, but may not get to it today.

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23 July 2009 - 9:48 am
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Sorry Pal - my mom was typing for me last night at 11pm our time and I guess she was just a little pooped out and got the he/she thing wrong. I'm sure she feels like a dummy ~

Hope you're feeling good today!

Zeus

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