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19 March 2015 - 7:49 pm
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Daniela & Johnnie said
Hello !  regarding the food, if you want to change to raw, do it slowly, mixing it with the kibble your pup already eats.  It's hard for a dog not to like raw meat, but it can happen.  

One option is switching to home-cooked. That's what I did.  I feed my dog cooked protein (varied) plus vegetables and very little carb, like sweet potato and yams.  It's done wonders to their fur - not only Johnnie's but my other dog who is not under any cancer treatment.  May be worth a try.

Daniela & Johnnie ( from Brazil )

I'm still looking at food right now...I'm actually almost out of the kibble we have right now so I have to figure out asap! LOL But I actually have to look into cooked because I know she'll eat that!

Maybe I will give the raw another try. I just felt like the first few tries she actually took of the food...tries...not actual bites, it was all over and I was chasing her around with a lysol wipe cleaning up the floor! LOL

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benny55 said
Just one more thought. Once you make your mind up...move forward...no looking back! You will find all sorts of differing views...something new...so.ething someone else tried and it worked, or it didn't...whatever.

Th point being, at some point we make decisions and mkve forward. Sure, if something is causing some whackiness, we regroup. But you can stay in research mode forever and just become stuck.

Craaaaxy journey, huh? :-)

I definitely feel stuck! LOL So crazy!

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I didnt read the whole thread as of yet.  I can however tell you that I am an avid raw feeder. I will NEVER go back to kibble, I have switched both puppies and seniors on to raw with NO issues.  Cats are harder to switch to raw as they become addicted to the shape texture and flavor of the food they were raised on. Dogs tend to make the switch easier.  It is recommended to start with one protein and go from there, However that is NOT how I do it. I feed raw to my dogs and so any fosters or new dogs I get are just cold turkey switched to whatever I am feeding that day.  It has worked really well thus far.

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quixote said
I didnt read the whole thread as of yet.  I can however tell you that I am an avid raw feeder. I will NEVER go back to kibble, I have switched both puppies and seniors on to raw with NO issues.  Cats are harder to switch to raw as they become addicted to the shape texture and flavor of the food they were raised on. Dogs tend to make the switch easier.  It is recommended to start with one protein and go from there, However that is NOT how I do it. I feed raw to my dogs and so any fosters or new dogs I get are just cold turkey switched to whatever I am feeding that day.  It has worked really well thus far.

I may have to try slow or maybe start with cooked....I need to make sure she's eating and she won't eat it...I tried a few times. So we shall see!

 

So I got the call from UPenn and the other family took the spot in the trial so we won't get that but I'm okay I think. Everything happens for a reason. I have to think that or I'll get really angry. I just like to think that their dog maybe needed it more than we did. I don't know...

However, the lady their said that IV chemo there is only $2000-$2400 for Jilly's weight but she wasn't sure what all that included so I have to call the oncology dept on Monday. This kind of threw me for a loop because I had ruled that out completely and now that it's more in our price range I'm wondering if I should do that?

I was all set on holistic basically because we couldn't afford anything else but also because I really want her to have quality of life over quantity for her sake (I personally would love more time but I can't be selfish). Now there is another option in play...seriously, every single time I had made a decision over this cancer, something happened to make me rethink it. I feel like I can't win.

I did do some holistic shopping though that I was excited about so I'll type that down and maybe I'll feel a little better! So...I bought:

toegrips

k9 immunity plus

RX Biotics

fish oil omega 3

MUSH

San Shedan Chuanbei Ye | Fritillary Bulb Extract

and I still need to get artemisinin , coQ10, IP-6, milk thistle and figure out food.

I feel like this is a lot but all of it was recommended by the holistic vet so we'll give it a go! I'm excited to receive everything and start it!

 

Oh, and I bought Primal Goat Milk for dogs and gave her the 6oz recommended for two days and shes been really gassy. Has anyone else had an issue with that?

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I didn't get a chance to read all of the responses yet but when I told our regular vet we were not doing chemo and were using homeopathic remedies instead she wasn't happy and told me she didn't want me to be sorry if he got lung mets in a month. It was stressful until I 100% jumped into my decision and decided there would be no regrets bc I was doing what was right for marshall and my family. Everyone here helped me a lot with that decision. You have to do what you feel in your heart is right.

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marshallsmom13 said
I didn't get a chance to read all of the responses yet but when I told our regular vet we were not doing chemo and were using homeopathic remedies instead she wasn't happy and told me she didn't want me to be sorry if he got lung mets in a month. It was stressful until I 100% jumped into my decision and decided there would be no regrets bc I was doing what was right for marshall and my family. Everyone here helped me a lot with that decision. You have to do what you feel in your heart is right.

I'm just hoping that one day, hopefully soon, I will figure out the direction to go in. I know I need to take a step back and relax....I'm just having a hard time doing that....even after the glass of wine! ;) I feel like my heart and my mind are confused! Blah....

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I'm surprised an onco would say that. Try to brush it off as best you can. We've seen dogs do great for far longer than anyone thought, without chemo, and dogs who followed every chemo protocol not do well. It's just a big gamble.

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Alrighty! Progress! You've gone shopping and it does feel good!! You are no longer stuck! You are tak i ng proactive steps!!
You ARE making progess! You are narrowing things down very rapidly! Give yourself some credit, okay?

Just curious. Are they talking Carboplatin? I'm pretty sure most Oncos. would find it acceptable to continue the holistic approach along side the chemo.....as if you don't have enough to continue to muddy the water in your decision!!! CRAAAAAAZY!!ugh

So far though, paths continue to lead you back towards holostic....hmmm.......

And yeah Lor,...shame on that Onco! And as you know, my beloved Happy Hannah DID have chemo and she eventually did develop a met. Marshall has made up his own set of statistics going holistic and doing things his way!!

Hugs to all!

Sally and Alumni Happy Hannah and Merry Myrtle too!

Happy Hannah had a glorious additional bonus time of over one yr & two months after amp for osteo! She made me laugh everyday! Joined April's Angels after send off meal of steak, ice cream, M&Ms & deer poop!

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Hello !  complementing what Sally wrote: holistic and carboplatin can go along.  This is the protocol we set up for Johnnie - he did chemo (carbo6) and followed up with some, not all, holistic.  K-9 Immunity from the very start and Apocaps after he finished chemo.   Charley's mom has a blog (chocolatekisses) where she has been updating the holistic protocol Charley has been using.  

Regarding the Goat Milk: don't know about other pups, but Johnnie is lactose-intolerant, and that goes for any type of milk.  This has been one of the greatest challenges for us, because we can't use cream cheese to give him any medication and can't add yoghurt to his diet.  

Johnnie's diet is the perfect work-out diet:  protein, vegetables, only high-fiber carbs like sweet potato and yam, no gluten and no lactose  (i.e. what all of us should be eating, according to some people).  

I have previous posts where I've talked about Johnnie's diet.  PM me if you wish, I'll be more than willing to help.

Daniela & Johnnie

Our awesome Golden Boy was diagnosed for OSA in April 2014 in the proximal humerus, front-leg amp on 05/20/2014. Finished chemo (Carbo6) on 07/10/2014. Ongoing treatment: acupuncture + K-9 Immunity Plus ( 3chews) and home-cooked no-grain diet.   Stopped Apocaps because of liver issues.   Liver issues: controlling altered enzymes with SAM-e and Milk Thistle.  October 17:  started having seizures.  Taking fenobarbital for seizures.  April 18: started prednisone.

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Regarding the goat's milk. An organization that breeds and raises great danes for service dogs helps the mom with the weaning process by feeding the pups goat's milk blended with puppy food into a gruel. You can imagine that these pups grow rapidly and need this extra nourishment and the mom loves eating up the leftover gruel.

Goat's milk is more digestible than other milk. I'm assuming it was your holistic vet who suggested goats milk due to it's benefits. Let us know if your dog likes it.

Kerren and Tripawd Mona

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Goat's milk is what we often recommend for sensitive bellies. As wth anything, start slow when introducing but it should work really well.

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