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I am so busy at work, and I totally don't have time to be posting... but every so often, you just need some distractions, right?

I try not to stress or worry about things I can't control, and I don't even know if "worry" is the right word. Sadness? Melancholoy?

I noted that Sam struggled with bleeding ulcers awhile back--but following the carafate and the pepcid (which he still gets), he seemed to be fine. Appetite came back, resumed his very short walks, etc.

He seemed a bit slower before we left for vacation, but I chalked it up to the heat (even though we've run the AC for several weeks--something I NEVER EVER do. I HATE the AC, and would never turn it on, even when it's about 97 with a DP in the upper 70s. But Sam's breathing struggles, so I've kept it on. Pat half-jokingly points out the dog's comfort seems to take precedence over his :D --he's always badgering me to turn it on when it's over 90).

Jacqie told us he wasn't eating very much while we were gone, but sometimes he'll go on hungerstrikes when we're out, so again, not too unusual. (She said the only thing he'd eat was sour cream (WTF, Sampson??), lunch meat, and occasionally scarmbled eggs, or leftover pizza). She said his energy was "moderate", and that he would pant fairly often, and his coughing was sporadic but present, but relatively unproductive.

So, on Saturday when we got home, I upped his pred to see if I couldn't get his appetite back, at least--and this has always worked in the past. Today is Tuesday, and I've not seen much improvement. Most meals, he'd eat a few bites, but not enough to give him any energy, I don't think. I could get him to eat lunch meat with his pills, and a hot dog or two. He's still take a milkbone. Today, though, it was a struggle to get him to take his pills--and even after that, he didn't want any lunch meat (and certainly no dog food). I tried cutting up a couple hot dogs and some leftover broasted chicken...he had maybe a bite of the chicken, and left all the hot dogs. He was uninterested in anything else, although he did eat a milkbone.

His breathing is labored more often than not--not I just Usain Bolted around teh yard labored, but certainly not a steady even thing. He pants, usually mildly, but he pants a lot of the time. Often, when he is lying down, he breathes in a...wheeze? It's not a wheeze, but it's something. The cough happens most of the time when he exerts himself--if Sadie goes batshit over a squirrel, and he tries to bark or run, if he goes up or down teh stairs too fast. It also happens randomly. It's a throat-clearing kind of chunky sound?

Really though, he just looks...tired. He has moments where he perks up--he dug up a dead rabbit that our housesitter buried in our backyard (WTF Jacqie??) after Sadie "made friends" with it, and was happily munching on that. Last night he went to the toy box and brought out a toy (but dropped it, and didn't play with it). He (and the other five) still greets me at the door, tail wagging, when I get home from work. But more often than not, he simply looks like he's present, but not all accounted for, I suppose.

Aside from the coughing/breathing thing, the low appetite, the decreased energy (er, it's all relative, I suppose), and the limpiness from the arthritis, though...he displays no real signs of pain/distress. But then again, this is the dog who walked around for (what looks like in photos) at least 5-6 months on a large bony lesion with very little sign of distress, aside from some crankiness at night and a limp right before his amp. (Insert guilt trip here for not noticing it sooner)

He's always been a quiet, reserved, stoic dog...so it's hard to tell, really. And it's hard to  tell whether this too, shall pass, or whether we're coming to an end point. And... And...

Ah, there's really no point to my rambling. I have no questions--at least not that anyone can answer. I know all of the things it COULD be. And I know the possible ways to deal with it. Do I take films? Do I just up the pred and maybe the tramadol? Do I try sucralfate again, in the hope that it's tummy upset? If he doesn't appear to be hurting...but just appears...to just appear...how long does it go on that way? I'm not to the pennies-in-a-jar point, but even if I were, I don't know if it would tell me anything. For 13+ years, I have counted my blessings that Sam is the quiet, reserved, aloof guy that he is. But now, it's frustrating the shit out of me :D Hey, apparently there IS an upside to having a bright, bubbly, in-your-face, velcro dog... temperment changes! Easy to spot! (<--No offense to those with bright and bubbly dogs, er, I have one, too, in fact...we don't all prefer the same flavors of ice cream, either ;-) )

ANYWAY, I am now SO behind at work, I have got to stop typing :D . There's no point here, so I am sure it's not on the right board...feel free to move it. I just needed to write it down :-)

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10 September 2013 - 8:14 am
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Aww. I totally understand your worry. You know Sam best, and it sounds to me like you are doing everything right. I have no real advice but I do have a pick-me-up for you :)

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Hope he starts feeling more like himself soon :)

 

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10 September 2013 - 9:16 am
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I have no magical answers either.  Just hoping sampson feels better soon too.  Feel free to ramble away if it helps ya :) God knows you've listened to my rambling and always managed to put a smile on my face :) hang in there :)

 

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Megan,

You posted in the right place, no worries about that.

Many folks wonder the exact same things about their pups who are living with cancer and other chronic illnesses. For example, is the labored breathing because it's hot, or because of mets? Is a lack of appetite just being finicky or is it something worse? Is the lack of enthusiasm just old age? Everyone with a dog, cat, iguana, whatever, wonders these things at some point and questions everything they've done, and it just makes folks crazy when they can't see through a crystal ball and know exactly what's going on.

But as you know, that is the way of the world. We don't know what tomorrow will bring, only what we have here today. Cancer forces you to take measured steps to live each day, moment by moment without obsessing over what we know in our hearts is the inevitable. That's the way to being more dog. You know this, Sam has taught you well. I know you don't obsess, but you wonder like everyone.....

So, how can you stay balanced while making sure that Sam has a good quality of life? Ask yourself, what would something like new x-rays do for the big picture? Would you change what you are doing now, or continue to go with the flow? Sounds to me like Sam is doing a good job at living day to day as best he can. Like any old critter, he's got good days (mmmm dead rabbit!) and not so good days. I'm hoping that he's got lots more good days ahead.

Don't know if this helped or not. Now I think I'm rambling!

 

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10 September 2013 - 9:32 am
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First of all, hopefully you feel better just being able to voice your concerns to people who care and understand!  We do.

 

Just from what you've shared, Sam hasn't shown you the "I'm done" conversation yet.  He's telling you the heat has worn him down, he's old as dirt clap(YAY for old dogs on this site!)clap and he's weak from not eating.

I would definitely check out the poor rotten bunny meal.  My "older than dirt senior"  got into "smething rotten" a week or so ago...jad to give him the sub skin fluids at home for several days, an antibiodic ...barely ate for days....and he's got kidney issues, heart tumors and a few other things.   Knocking on wood, he's back to his old...really old...fiesty self.....a little weaker muscle wise.....but dtill barking at cats he can barely see and bossing Happy Hannah around,etc.   Definitely get his tummy checked out.  I bet that bunny could be the cause of some of this.   Seems like I threw in the metrozime...and that is  ot even cllse to how you spell it but it's for stomach distress.

You know Sam better than anyone.  What may appear to be "giving up" in some dogs, in others it's just being a little more "off" more than  usual and a tail wag, or a door greet, or picking out a toy but not playing are all signs of Sam still enjoying his day in Sam's way.   Sam will decide when he's ready and it will be clear.   Right now, just go day by day and, as you k w, stay in the moment, and don't let worries rob you of anything.     You are such a great mom!

 

I'm gonna try and post a "picker upper" too.   Be right back!

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Trying again.......maybe.....http://s1351.ph.....b.jpg.html

Happy Hannah had a glorious additional bonus time of over one yr & two months after amp for osteo! She made me laugh everyday! Joined April's Angels after send off meal of steak, ice cream, M&Ms & deer poop!

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Aye, geesh.  I get it.  I went through that with Brendol for the last three weeks of her time.  (I'm not saying Sam is that close).  But I get the not being able to figure out exactly what is up and what you should do.  Sometimes it's nice they can't exactly talk back to us, and other times it would be wonderful if we could just have a clear conversation with them of, hey, where's it hurt or what do you want me to do?  No, I don't have any advice.  I hope something perks him up soon and he gets some good food in his tummy.

 

One idea, does Sam have any tramadol left?  His panting and lethargy sound a little like pain and I wondered if you could give him a tramadol and see how well he responds to it.

 

Thinking of you and wishing you the best,

Karma, the pack, and our special angel Brendol

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10 September 2013 - 12:23 pm
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I'm thinking exactly what Sally thinks about that exhumed dead bunny; can't be good for Sam's immune system to be chowing nasty stuff.

And also echoing Karma's thoughts.

And pretty much everyone else, as usual....my tagline should be "YEAH, like they said". 

Go with your gut.

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Thank you all :-) Sally--how could Sam ignore THAT cute face? And Mica...the video kills me. I wonder if Gangsta Terrie-ah has seen the kitty on a roomba videos?

Sometimes just the rambling to someone other than the inside of your own head helps. :D

And no, rene, you aren't rambling. :D

I think we get to a point--which is different for everyone--like Karma said where you just really aren't sure which way is up anymore. It's a twilight time, really. I don't want to rob Sam of time and dead rabbits, but neither do I want him to linger longer than he wants to.

Some animals let us know very clearly it is time--or not time. With others, whether we miss the memo, or whether they just don't want to let us know...well, you just don't know. And the ambiguity of that is hard for an OCD personn like myself to deal with :D I have had creatures fall into both categories, and I don't think there is a "better" path--each poses its own set of challenges.

I think what is bothering me the most these last couple of days is that twilight state--I don't WANT to let him go, but I certainly don't want him staying here b/c he's too stubborn to tell me he wants to leave :D We're true Minnesotans, locked in the battle of passive aggressive politeness (although, oddly, neither of us is a MN native) :p

Anyway...I  think that no matter what path you take, you have these moments from time to time. When you are like, "WTF? I MADE the decisions to do X or Y and Z, but not P and Q. There shouldn't BE any more of these nebulous thoughts." And then you realize that it's all messy, b/c that's the way it is and you roll with it and make choices--even if it is to not make any choices--and then you don't look back, b/c there's no point. It is what it is what it is.

 

In response to the direct questions: rene--the reason I'd consider doing films now...not for a timeline, but because maybe they would tell me more than Sam would. I know him well enough to know that he could be just having up days and down ones...or he could be really hurting--and he's the type who wouldn't say boo if he had a mouthful. Sort of wishy washy and equivocating on my stance of "treat the symptoms, not the numbers"...but there ya go. :D

Karma--Sam is on tramadol and pred. A lowish dose, yes. I left a message with my vet, letting know I've upped the pred slightly and wanted to fill him in, so we'll see what he says when we talk tomorrow. My thinking would be,regardless of what else we do, if the extra pred still isn't helping, we'll bump that up a bit, too. Who knows...I think  the heat is finally done here after today, so maybe a few days without AC and just some nice days lolling outside will do it, too :-)

 

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Oh, and Re: the rabbit... not a huge concern, as the dogs are current on vaccinations, and also...I suppose I shouldn't mention how many dead animals they manage to A) make dead and/or B) eat, whether they made them that way, or not.

It's not a huge worry--and the all of the issues he's having popped up before the, er, snack he had last night. :D

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Meghan,

I understand what you are saying.  Sassy didn't tell me it was time.  The fact she was having a hard time breathing the few days before the 20th (me thinking it was just the infection).  I know Sassy would have kept fighting.  What was up to me was the fact to do another procedure to drain fluid off her chest cavity and being told it would come back & just be a temp fix.  I didn't want to let her go. But I knew it wasn't fair to keep her here for me.  I made that promise to her not to let her suffer.  Not saying Sam is at that point just telling you my experience and I knew Sassy would keep fighting if I let her or made her stay here for me.  As tough as this is in this part of the journey I would never do that to her just for me

 

 

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I understand completely what you're saying now. The x-rays could be helpful at this point, you are coming from a grounded place in order to take a step like this.

OK here's a suggestion. Call it hooey or what you will but have you ever considered connecting with an animal communicator, someone who can tap into Sam's psyche and possibly relay what he's feeling and thinking right now? I'm not entirely sure how much I believe in the intuitive ability of communicators, but more than a few times I've talked to folks who swear that their communicator of choice was on the money and helpful. One of our favorites we've encountered is Stacy K from Wisconsin, you might want to consider talking to her, if anything as a way to get another point of view from a 3rd party who has a way with animals. Just a thought.

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Sam!  Hapy Hannah went out and caught your supper for you tonight!   And even made it a "candle light dinner!"

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OMG, Sally! You kill me :D :D :D That is awesome.

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An update for today:

Sam ate some brown rice and hot dogs last night, not a ton--maybe 2/3 cup of rice and 1 Oscar Meier Classic Wiener (<---as we have mentioned before, ONLY Oscar Meier Classic Wieners are acceptable), but it was something, which made me feel a bit better.

Out of curiosity, I tracked his respiration last night throughout the evening, to see if it was as fast as it seemed. At times, he was taking upwards of 72+ breaths/minute, so almost double what it should be. (This was at rest--ostensibly asleep/dozing) The lowest I counted it was in the 40s.

This morning, there was no convincing him to eat--not even hot dogs and rice. He took a milkbone as I went out the door, but nothing else. He also had his back legs go out from under him (partly b/c he is using the one rear less and less, and partly b/c I cannot touch his feet anymore to cut his toe poufters super short, which doesn't help...they are trimmed, but could be shorter, if I could get at them), and instead of getting up, just kind of looked in a panic.

Those things, coupled with his general demeanor this morning led me to think maybe I needed to do more than just call the vet today with a general check-in/shoot the shit call and let him know I upped the pred and tramadol.

I broached the idea of taking Sam in for films to Pat, and he agreed...it would probably be worth the cost and seemed a logical idea (engineers...they all need those "rational, cost-benefit explanations" :p). It worries me a bit whenevr Pat agrees to stuff like this, b/c it usually means things are worse than they appear--I am on one end of reactionary; he is on the other.

Anyway, I called this AM and let them know we'd be in this afternoon (Sadie needs a nail trim anyway...she has Badger Claws. We are almost to the adamantium level. If she weren't such a selfish, needy thing, she'd be the newest superhero do-gooder :D ). If we do films/labs, and they show that no, the lung mets aren't substantial and there are no mets to the spine or other limbs/organs, that will be excellent. Then we know we can keep managing things with OTC stuff, his accupuncture, etc. Keep on, keeping on. OTOH, if we go in, and we see substantial mets, etc., things are that without a doubt what is causing his discomfort...well, then we need to come up with a different plan. But I DO think, at this point, yes...we need to know to really make the best choices for Sampson.

So there is our update! Hopefully, we will have some answers this evening :-)

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