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19 July 2010 - 9:37 am
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Hi All

 

I am so upset at the Vets that I can barelytype this post. I had a message on my answering machine from the Surgeon saying that Boomer's MCT had metastasized to the lymph node in her leg and should now have Chemo as well. I paid all kinds of money having tests done to see if it had metastasized to the lymph nodes prior to the decision to amputate. I was told it had not and so the decision was made ot go ahead and amputate . Now they tell me it has metastasized. I do not want to put her through Chemo for many reason's one of them being financial and also for person reasons. This is too much, the poor dog did not need to suffer an amputation in the first place. I believe I did her a great disservice in my decision, but one that was based on inaccurate information. I am heartbroken at the moment, totally devastated.

 

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19 July 2010 - 10:20 am
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Damn, that's harsh news. I'm so sorry, Boomer's Dad. You must feel like you've been punched in the gut after all the reassurances you were given prior to surgery. Go easy on yourself though about the guilt - you made the best decision for Boomer based on your love and the information given. It may not be helpful but medicine really isn't an exact science and sometimes throws us nasty curve balls.

There's no two ways about it but cancer sucks.

 

Catie -

Birthday – November 4 2003

Amputation – January 13 2010

Crossed the Bridge – June 2 2011

 Catie Caitlin 

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19 July 2010 - 10:25 am
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Boomer's Dad,

I'm so sorry. First off, breathe. I know this is upsetting, you have every reason to be. But I hope I can help in some way.

First, please try to understand that mets are so unpredictable. Many of us have had clean x-rays one week, and lungs (or nodes) full of mets the next. Nobody can predict what will happen with them. If they could, cancer wouldn't be the horrible problem it is today.

Next, know that Boomer did not suffer because of the amputation. Boomer was suffering because of the pain from the cancer. Humans have no idea how horribly painful this can be (unless you've had bone cancer yourself). You helped Boomer by getting rid of the bum leg. I know this is sooooo hard to accept at a time like this. But would you rather have said goodbye to Boomer as she lay there in horrible pain? Before her time? Right now she is feeling far better than if she had a slowly exploding leg bone.

Lastly, you absolutely do not have to do chemo. Lots of people don't. What's right for some is not right for everyone. If you are uncomfortable with it, tell your vet you're not doing it. Spend the time you have left with Boomer loving her and living life. It sounds like you'll both be so much happier that way.

And please remember, Boomer doesn't know that anything has changed. She doesn't know what a lymph node is, and she doesn't care. It's up to you to ensure that the time she has left is spent surrounded by your love, not anger at the doctor.

We send many hugs your way. We're so sorry.

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Boomers dad, sorry about your dilema.  I hope I can help , when we had Gus' first x-ray, the vet thought we had caught the cancer early and his chest was clear. At that time I said no chemo, I wasn't going to put him through anymore pain or suffering if he was to have side effects. Once his healing from surgery was over, he was as good as before he had the cancer. Unfortunately we found out about 8 weeks ago it has gone to his lungs along with a lump on his neck, so I started the metronomic therapy, mostly to hopefully slow the growth of the cancer, but he has had a great life since amputation, and if it all ended tomorrow I have no regrets because I gave him the best life I could for what we were dealing with, and if I hadn't done the surgery, he wouldn't be here today, so don't beat yourself up about having it done, you did what you thought was best at the time and you can't change that. I don't know how long we have with Gus, but each day is great because we still have him, so we just take it one day at a time. Remember, Boomer doesn't have a clue what cancer is, anything about test,  prognosis, etc, so just treat her the best you can and know you did what you thought was right for her. Gus and Dan   

My buddy Gus had a left front amputation on April 7, 2010 and lived a great life until July 26,2010

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19 July 2010 - 10:54 am
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Boomer's Dad,

I am so sorry to hear the news. Cancer does suck there is no doubt.  Your decision to amputate was done to relieve the pain and that is a GOOD thing, please don't beat yourself up about having done it. Love her as always and live life in the now. Try not to dwell on the cancer, or lymphnodes, or mets, or all the bad things that we, as humans, think of. You still have your lovely dog with you and she needs you to be strong and pawsitive.

As for chemo, lots of people opt not to do chemotherapy for lots of different reasons. There is no right or wrong here, just what's right for you and Boomer.

 

Tai – 9 yr old lab. Diagnosed Osteosarcoma Dec 18/09. Front right leg amputated Dec 21/09. Started chemo Jan 7/10. Lung mets discovered Sept 16/10. Valiant to the end on Oct 26/10 when cancer reappeared in a leg and we made the decision to set her free. Forever in my heart where not even cancer can take her from me.

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Oh gosh....I can see why you are upset...BUT, I will add my voice to the others...getting rid of the leg got rid of the pain and if you hadn't she would have suffered and most likely eventually suffered a broken leg....

Magic had his surgery with clear everything....short weeks later lung mets appeared, then tumors in the kidneys....we KNOW when the amp occurs that even if it doesn't show, the cancer cells are there, they just make an appearance at different times for different dogs.

You have options and one of them is to do no chemo...there are lots and lots of folks who opt for that and do just fine.  Others (like me) do everything we can get our hands on and it does no good because the cancer is so aggressive.

Enjoy every minute you have, and rest assured you did the right thing for your baby....

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I am so sorry Boomer's dad. Hang in there and take Jerry's advice.

My Ronnie has been taking a new pill (after amputation and 4 rounds of chemo), Artemisinin that has had good luck fighting osteosarcoma cells according to the Ohio State University Vet school. They are doing a study on my Ronnie and they recommended this (it is an all natural type of pill). It costs $42.00 I think for 60 pills and Ronnie weighs 65 lbs and she takes 100mg (one pill) a day. You can buy it here safely: holleypharma.com

Best of luck to you and may God bless you and your Boomer.

Hugs from Miss Ronnie

Ronnie Smith, born July 13 2000. Diagnosed with osteosarcoma 4/2010. Right front leg amputation 4/2010. Cancer returned after 4 rounds of chemo July 2010. Reunited with her amputated leg 7/21/2010. God bless my baby girl.

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My Ronnie has been taking a new pill ... Artemisinin that has had good luck fighting osteosarcoma...


 

Thanks for the feedback! Glad to hear Artemisinin is working well for Ronnie.

Readers will find lots of links to more information about Artemisinin and sites for buying it in the Tripawds Nutrition blog !

Tripawds Founders Jim and Rene
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19 July 2010 - 8:30 pm
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Hey Boomer's dad,

I am sorry you got this news.  This is EXACTALLY what happened to Maggie.  I did lots of tests before surgery and we did not see cancerous mast cells anywhere else.  However your vet probably didn't do anything wrong.  Taking a needle sample from a lymph node does not always see the cancer because the sample size is so small.  Once the entire lymph node is available for dissection a better sample can be obtained.  As good as the the science has become there are still no guarantees.

But that is the sort of cold analytical fact that I came to understand later, after I had a chance to come to grips with the diagnosis.

Of course I felt the same way you do now when I got the news a few days after Maggie's amputation.  And unlike those dogs with OSA or other cancers our pups were not necessarily dealing with so much pain that bone cancers can cause so it is harder to accept that we did the right thing with amputation.

At least in our case if we did not amputate the tumor would have grown and ulcerated the skin leaving a painful sore that would never heal.  And we would have pretty much guaranteed (there is that word again) that the cancer would spread through the lymph system and to the other organs. You have given Boomer a chance with the amputation.

This is a big blow- but all is not lost.  Mag was given 6 to 9 months with chemo (which I chose to do).  There is no false hope offered, but Mag FAR exceeded the prognosis. And as others have said- Boomer does not know she is sick, and once healed from the amp will probably be her old self.  Our pups only know today- and as long as there is love and food and walks and maybe laps that is enough for them.

Please feel free to PM me if you want to talk more off-line.

 

Karen

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19 July 2010 - 8:50 pm
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Hi Boomer's dad; 

Just to add my 2 cents to this discussion .... 

I felt the same way you do. We did all kinds of tests prior to going through with Sophie's amputation - particularly because of her age (she's a 12 year old golden retriever), and the fact that her particular kind of cancer as Karen said above, was not a terribly painful one like osteosarcoma, but rather, a soft tissue sarcoma. Hers would have eventually burst through the skin and left an ugly, painful sore. After getting an "all clear" sign - we went ahead with the amputation - and were told immediately after the surgery that they suspected the cancer had advanced to her lymph nodes, and then only to be told 3 short weeks later that the cancer was in her lungs as well. It has now been almost 5 months (February 25, 2010). We started in on the chemotherapy - got through 3 treatments - and have just now decided to discontinue chemo because it is making her sicker than the cancer did. For us - that is the bottom line. The treatment cannot be worse than the disease.

So many others have posted above about how the dogs don't know that there is anything different about them - whether they have mets or not. That is so true. They are still the same as they were 30 minutes ago - prior to you reading the results of the pathology report, or hearing the vet say those awful words.

My advice - for what it's worth - go for quality days. As long as Boomer is having more "good" days than "bad" - no matter what course of treatment you chose - chemotherapy or holistic or nothing - live in the moment and enjoy your dog. It's an old cliche for sure - but they really DO tell you when their time has come. Until then - as others have said - live in the moment, LIVE with cancer. Boomer will do fine with 3 legs. Really - it is amazing how well they do. If only people could adjust so well. But Boomer will need to feel your confidence that everything is as it should be - no matter what the pathology report said. 

Use this discussion forum - ask all the questions - vent when you need to / want to. I doubt that there is anything you could say or ask that someone here has not already gone through and can offer some perspective - or a sympathetic ear. 

Keep strong, Boomer !! You still have some living to do ! 

Sophie and Tana

 

Sophie (1998 – 2010)

"Going Dog" def: living every day in the moment

"It came to me that every time I lose a dog they take a piece of my heart with them. And every new dog who comes into my life gifts me with a piece of their heart. If I live long enough, all the components of my heart will be dog, and I will become as generous and loving as they are."

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19 July 2010 - 9:42 pm
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Oh Boomer's dad,

I'm so sorry.  As you know I can't offer any advice on cancer but I wanted you to know my thoughts are with you.

There are so many that have done well without chemo that are still going stong!   Plus, you did the right thing by removing the leg and getting Boomer out of pain so please, please - don't feel bad.  Amputation is the RIGHT thing.  Doing chemo still carries a question mark (at least for me).

Just remember you love her and this cancer is nasty and it doesn't care who it takes!  So enjoy everyday with Boomer and don't let the bad thoughts ruin even one moment.

 

Her Retired AvatarComet - 1999 to 2011

She departed us unexpectedly  January 23, 2011 at the age of 12 1/2.

She was born with a deformed front leg and a tripawd all of her life.

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Hello Boomer's Dad -

I can fully understand your feelings!  Totally.  But as others have said, you DID get rid of a horrendously painful leg for your dog.  What's done is done...live in the moment for now.  Don't go to the past.  I also have problems with doing chemo for my dog so I opted to do homeopathic treatment for my dog with Dr. Charles Loops in NC.  I live in Maine.  This all can be done over the phone with him.  He is widely known as a cancer specialist in homeopathy.  I encourage you to give him a call.  My dog has been on his protocol since December.

Good luck and stay strong for your pup!

Tracy, Maggie's Mom

Maggie was amputated for soft tissue sarcoma 10-20-09

Maggie lost her battle with kidney disease on 8-24-13

http://maggie.t.....t-24-2013/

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I have Roxy on the homeopathic cancer protocol from Dr. Loops too.  I live in southern Indiana.  I did the consultation on the phone and started her on the protocol.  It's very simple and she seems to be doing very well.  Roxy is an MCT amputee as well.  She's already beat the odds no matter how long she makes it.  You should consider giving him a call.  The price is so much cheaper than chemo as well. 

Leslie

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I have Roxy on the homeopathic cancer protocol from Dr. Loops too. 


 

FYI, please see the many Nutrition blog posts we wrote about Dr. Loops to learn more about him.

 

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