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Manni's Thanksgiving shout-out to all gutsy and honest vets
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23 November 2017 - 7:02 am
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Now I was thinking of putting this in the Grief forum, since I've been living with anticipatory grief for, oh, months now. However, this is really a thank you, a breath of relief, and little holiday survival story.

Manni is on the maximum dose of pain meds that I am willing to administer. However, for the past few weeks he's been declining nonetheless. Now, we're talking osteosarcoma on the ribcage, one big tumor that's pressing on the spine and and the lung. My biggest, most horrifying fear has been to wait too long with letting him go because we're talking PAIN here. I am absolutely horrified of not making the right decision at the right time but waiting too long, putting him in misery. Yes, having my dog die will kill me, but the thought of him suffering is worse. And while I am obviously thankful that we, as humans, get the opportunity to let our pets go before it gets too bad, I have also felt that having to make the decision at a certain point in time is too much of a responsibility. I am not God. I just don't know everything, I don't have all the information I feel I need. 

Manni's walks have gotten so short that sometimes I literally take him out of the car, he hops for about 5 yards and sits. Now, I am absolutely convinced that he does so because he's in pain. Which I promised to not let him be in. So last weekend I made the decision to let him go by the end of this week. I talked to my boyfriend and my mother, both of whom know Manni well, both of whom said that no matter what I decided it would be the right thing. Which is not the same as voicing their own opinion, if you know what I mean...

Mind you: at home, Manni is still full of life. I don't mean that he jumps around and plays obviously, but he enjoys his food, his eyes are full of life, he ENJOYS things. 

Can you see the predicament?? I am scared to death that my tough boy, who's never showed any pain in his life if he could avoid it, is already in too much pain. I mean he must be: we are talking osteo after all. That's the dog who tore a tendon at age 6 and ran around with it for 6 months without limping! Who never limped before the day of his amputation until he couldn't walk at all anymore. 

Now, to come to the point of this post: 

since I had to drive to my vet to get more meds anyway I decided to bring Manni along and talk things through with her. I had sent her a short video of our morning "walk" for her to be able to see him outside of her practice. 

What she said was: "You know, what I see is a happy dog who doesn't want to walk much anymore because his body is failing him and he's in pain. But you know what? I see him in this video and I see him in here and there is just still SO much life in him. He is trying so hard to hang on still, he is just not ready to give up. And I am sorry to be brutally honest here, but if you ask me to come to your house this weekend to put him down I will have a hard time doing that in good conscience and it would almost go against my ethics. Yes, I am sure you are right. He is in pain. Probably in considerable pain. But he is not ready. " And then she apologized again for being so "brutally honest".

And you know what? I was THANKFUL! I was so relieved that this decision was not on my shoulders alone anymore but that I finally had another opinion. This really wasn't about the fact that I didn't have to let him go right now or that I would get a few more days, but it was really all about not being alone in having to make this impossible decision.

I have met quite a few vets in my life, be it for horses or dogs, and I know that oftentimes they have a hard time giving their honest opinion not least because of legal issues they may face because of it. So having a gutsy, honest vet that you have established a good rapport with is worth more than anything in times like these. so this is our Thanksgiving post to all of those vets out there. 

While this is not a holiday in Germany, I am still thankful right now for the most courageous dog I ever knew, for having a gutsy local vet by our sides, and for this community. Who needs anything else?

Happy Thanksgiving my friends

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Guardian of Manni the Wonderdog. -Or was it the other way around?
Osteo and amputation in Dec 2015. Second, inoperable, primary osteosarcoma found in June 2017.
The end of our adventures came Dec 10, 2017. 2 years to the day.

Manni's blog -dogblog-

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23 November 2017 - 7:12 am
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Have to head to work...but something told me I HAD to check in!!!  ,I was literally headed for the dooro!

A d now I know why I HAD to check in!

Nope,don't need anythi g else other than this post to make my day o e full of gratitude !!!!!!!     ThNk you so much for sharing....well.for shari g so much ofnyour heart and yiur love for Manni!!!!!

I'm coming back to ight...so much more I want to say....for now....thanks for making my day 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂

Happy Hannah had a glorious additional bonus time of over one yr & two months after amp for osteo! She made me laugh everyday! Joined April's Angels after send off meal of steak, ice cream, M&Ms & deer poop!

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23 November 2017 - 8:45 am
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Awww bravo! We couldn't agree more, a great vet can really make life soooooo much more bearable at a time like this. We are thankful as well, here! here!

Manni's behavior sounds much like our Jerry's during the last phase of the cancer. Identical really. What finally made us call the vet for the final visit was that his quality of life crossed a line that we had drawn long before the cancer got bad. When he did that, we knew it was time. If you can know in your heart what that line is, you will know for sure when it's his time to transition. I hope it's not for a long time. We love that boy of yours!

Happy Thanksgiving from the Americans over here. We are thankful for YOU!!!!

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23 November 2017 - 9:29 am
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Tina I'm so thankful you have that brutally honest vet for Manni and for you too!  That peace of mind it has given you right now is priceless!  I do still think you know your boy so well and will "know" when it's time.  I do think in your mind and heart you have that line in the sand you have drawn and you haven't reached it yet.  But I have faith in you that when you do get there you will know it.  Know we all think of you and Manni daily and send our love across the ocean to you both everyday.  You and Manni are one rock solid team and we all are awed by your strength and determination.  Love you my friend!

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23 November 2017 - 10:27 am
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I am glad that you followed your heart and heard what you probably didn't think you would hear. You are a wonderful parent and Manni still looks very happy. Yeah, she is getting tired but she is not "there" yet. I will tell you from my own experience that you will know when it is time. She will let you know. I hope you have a wonderful day and I am thankful for all of you. You are the kind of pawrent that any animal would be lucky to have! Enjoy your day heart

Hugs,

Jackie, Bo, Andy, Oscar, Phoebe, and the coolest feral tripawd kitty Huckleberry

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23 November 2017 - 10:28 am
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Tina, Thank you for posting this.  Vets who are honest like this are one in a Million.   I am so glad she helped you in this way.  From the sounds of it Manni is still happy and still going. 

I have faith that you will know when Manni gives you that sign.  I think about you always.  I was wondering how you were doing and how Manni was doing. 

I know i questioned my decision for a long time.  My vet moved on to one of our teaching schools and before she left I talked to her about things.  She looked me in the eyes and said when I let Sassy go it was the right time.  Sometimes I still wonder even after 4 years.  I think we always have those "wonders or doubts" like you said we aren't God and don't have all the answers but we try to be informed as we can.

Thank you again.  Happy Thanksgiving.  Miss you tons

xoxoxo

Michelle & Angel Sassy

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05/04/2006 -  Bosch, Sassy's pal, earned his wings 03/29/19  fought cancer for 4 months.

"You aren't doing it TO her, you are doing it FOR her. Give her a chance at life."


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23 November 2017 - 3:38 pm
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Darling sweetheart Tina 💗

Manni looks SO happy, so full of joy for life in the picture you posted, he still has much to enjoy with you here, right here.

I, like others, am convinced he will be the one who will take the decision of when to leave.

I LOVE your vet, she is not just a vet, she has a huge heart and she is right.

Manni is enjoying life, whichever amount of pain he is enduring is still ok for him to bear for the pleasure of being here with you 💕

You both are an absolutely rock solid, wonderful, amazing team ✊🏽

And the time has not come yet for him to earn his wings, he wants to go out and see the world, feel the cool air in his cute little face, being with his Mom and Dad 😍

As you know, Tina, at this stage we have to adapt to what they can do.

Some days Eurydice couldn't really walk but she still wanted to see the world so I would get her in the car, drive somewhere where there would be lots of people and dogs and then just sit next to her in the boot and we'd share those moments.

People would come and talk to her, pat her and stay for a while.

She loved that. 

She loved that a whole lot and it would make our day.

Manni is happy just to be with you and share moments with you.

This is what life is about.

You are the BEST Mom he could dream of having and a true inspiration to all of us. 

Me and my Angel's hearts are right there with yours and Bambi's eyes 💗💗

Sending you the tightest of hugs and as many cuddles as Manni will allow (and extra cuddles sneaked in too) 😘😘😘😘🐮💫✨🌟🌹

Eurydice 77kg/170lb Great Dane limping end of April 2016, amputation (right front leg/osteosarcoma) 4 May 2016 6 courses of carboplatin followed by metronomic therapy, lung mets found 30 Nov 2016. 3 courses of doxorubicin, PET scan 26 Jan 2017 showed more mets so stopped chemo. Holistic route April 2017. Lung X-ray 5 May 2017 showed several tennis ball size mets, started cortisone and diuretics. Miss Cow earned her XXL silver wings 12 June 2017, 13 months and 1 week after amputation and 6 1/2 months after lung mets, she was the goofiest dawg ever and is now happily flying from cloud to cloud woof woofing away :-) 

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23 November 2017 - 9:13 pm
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Thank you Tina for the update; like the others, I think of you both daily. I get nervous when we don't hear from you, all the while knowing how very private and intimate the end is. I'm so glad your vet shared her feelings with you, suprising as they must have been. I can't help but think of the pet communicator's words to you, which really were very similar in content to this. I can only imagine how difficult this is, to sit and wait and watch him like a hawk, for ANY sort of sign. Of course you don't want him in pain! And, like you said, he must be in pain at this point. But, perhaps like people, his tolerance for it is just extremely high, and he really is managing it.

I don't think I ever came out as directly as you did when talking to my vet about Nitro; I will tell you that the day of his last fluid treatment, she did share with me that she could tell that "he was done". At the time, I thought she was meant he was done with the process of receiving fluids for an entire day; that he was tired of spending his whole day there, getting this treatment. I had already decided I wasn't going to schedule another one, he didn't need to waste precious time spending the day there, away from me, for little gain. But on a deeper level, I think she was telling me HE WAS DONE. I think we said good bye less than a month later.

I know you say you don't believe in anything, but believe that you WILL know when it's time, he WILL show you he's ready to transition. He may be like Nitro, more worried about leaving you behind, knowing that your heart will be breaking. I do believe in things, faith being one of them. I will believe for you....miss you, my friend!

Paula and Warrior Angel Nitro

Nitro 11 1/2  yr old Doberman; right front amp June 2014. Had 6 doses carboplatin, followed by metronomic therapy. Rocked it on 3 legs for over 3 years! My Warrior beat cancer, but couldn't beat old age. He crossed the Bridge peacefully on July 25, 2017, with dignity and on his terms.  Follow his blog entitled "Doberman's journey"

http://nitro.tripawds.com

"Be good, mama loves you".....run free my beautiful Warrior

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24 November 2017 - 7:34 am
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I'm so pleased you have this vet by your side. She sounds a real treasure. It's not just her that's gutsy though, it's you as well. It's actually your strength that enabled her to be so straightforward and honest with you. And the peace of mind this has given you is the very least you deserve.

Sending love and hugs to you and Manni (too bad, Manni, you're having one...)

Meg, Clare and Elsie Pie xxx

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Also Angel Tripawd Meg (aka The Megastar), who died in April 2023, aged 14, after seven glorious years on three, and Angel Staffies Elsie Pie and Bille. In the pawprints of giants...

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24 November 2017 - 2:42 pm
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Thanks for the update, we always think of you and wonder how you guys are doing!

I am relieved you have someone to help you with the when you have a fantastic Vet and that would be a enormous weight taken off you shoulders ! You wont wonder when it’s time and if you helped too soon all of that. Huge relief. Not that it will be easy whenever that time is Manni still has life to live even if has slowed down!

We are grateful for what is good and for each day we hop and walk on. Manni is the WONDERDOG for a reason and we are grateful he is hoping on and still having good days. Keep up it up Manfred!

Tina we all know you will know when that dreaded time comes. I promise you you will know!

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Holly & Purrkins❤️

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24 November 2017 - 4:08 pm
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You people are the warmest, much needed, embrace during a cold season. 

I feel better in your arms. Thank you. 

Guardian of Manni the Wonderdog. -Or was it the other way around?
Osteo and amputation in Dec 2015. Second, inoperable, primary osteosarcoma found in June 2017.
The end of our adventures came Dec 10, 2017. 2 years to the day.

Manni's blog -dogblog-

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25 November 2017 - 12:52 pm
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And to give you a glimpse of how much life there still is...Manni got a new game today. 

Guardian of Manni the Wonderdog. -Or was it the other way around?
Osteo and amputation in Dec 2015. Second, inoperable, primary osteosarcoma found in June 2017.
The end of our adventures came Dec 10, 2017. 2 years to the day.

Manni's blog -dogblog-


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25 November 2017 - 3:14 pm
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Tina Tina Tiiiiiiiiiiiiiiina !!!!!!!!

Girl, you made my night !!!!

What a clever boy you've got there, Bambi's eyes is the GREATEST 🏆

I love his focus and patience, waiting for your signal and then getting those treats one by one, well done you !!!!

Yup.

Manni is going no where soon ☝🏼

Lors and lots and lots and lots of luuurve flying your way 😘😘😘🐮💫✨🌟🌹

Eurydice 77kg/170lb Great Dane limping end of April 2016, amputation (right front leg/osteosarcoma) 4 May 2016 6 courses of carboplatin followed by metronomic therapy, lung mets found 30 Nov 2016. 3 courses of doxorubicin, PET scan 26 Jan 2017 showed more mets so stopped chemo. Holistic route April 2017. Lung X-ray 5 May 2017 showed several tennis ball size mets, started cortisone and diuretics. Miss Cow earned her XXL silver wings 12 June 2017, 13 months and 1 week after amputation and 6 1/2 months after lung mets, she was the goofiest dawg ever and is now happily flying from cloud to cloud woof woofing away :-) 

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25 November 2017 - 4:02 pm
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Oh I love this!  Manni you are such a patient clever boy!  Tina I wish I could come live by you!  You always have something fun going on!  Great job "team Manni"!

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👏🏻👏🏻Manni is definitely full of life and loving his new puzzle game !
I agree Manni isn’t going anywhere soon! He still has missions to accomplish!
One is to show us all he has no time stamp on his rear !
Keep it up Manni & Tina clap🏆👏🏻😘

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