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Patou had his first chemo today. It went pretty well I thought. So far he is just sleeping alot... gets up to pee, eat and drink.
The vet was awesome!!!! He came out to greet us, I waved, shook his hand and then he dropped down on both knees to greet Patou taking Patou's massive head in his hands and talking to him and stroking him and commenting on how much he looked like his own big Pyr. After the treatment he had positive things to say and commented again on patou's wonderful lovable personality. I could feel the sincere compassion in the vets and techs, and receptionist. It's SO nice to go to a place where they show you they care. I don't mind driving the hour distance if this is the care we will get!!! (Way to go Dr. Stephen Newton at Hope Veterinery Clinic in Columbus, Indiana)!!! Also I cut thru the country and on the way back took a wrong turn and took the long windy road back making me SO car sick that I thought I was the one who had had the chemo!! Patou seemed to do fine. We will get a CBC in a bout 10 days and recheck a chest Xray in a month or so. I just hope it continues to go ok, and that it gives Patou some more quality time with me. I am sure my vet wants to see how this goes with a Pyr, since he owns one about the size and personality of mine.
Also while I was out of cell tower range on the way home, my home vet gave me a call as my oncology vet had already called her and gave her an update. It's SO nice when medical professionals work so well together. I am hoping that if my home vet ever needs a referral for another patient that she will keep this guy in mind or give anyone my name if they need support or guidance. This is such a horrible thing to go thru alone and it's just such a miracle that this site exists!!!!! (Also kuddos... to Dr. Kim Brown of Animal Hospital of Bedford, Indiana!!!)
Thanks for the kind comments. Glad to hear Patou's first treatment went well. Please keep us posted on how he handles it over the next few days.
Tripawds Founders Jim and Rene
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Hi Janet,
I wanted to welcome you and Patou. I apologize for being so late to the post, but I've spent the last month dealing with my own shoulder issues.
It sounds like everything is going just fine for you guys so far. My pug Maggie was also a real amp, but she lost her leg to mast cell cancer. She did do six months of chemo, but the protocol was much different than for dogs with OSA. she had minimal side effects, I only used the anti-nausea medicine once or twice. We had to postpone treatment twice because her WBC was low, which is not uncommon.
Maggie was quite a survivor, her prognosis WITH chemo was 6 to 9 months. She actually survived three years and nine months, and I lost her to a second unrelated cancer. Although her cancer was different than Patou's it just goes to show that stats are just that. Enjoy every moment, and try not to worry about how much time you might have. I know it's hard not to focus on the disease and prognosis, but I learned from Maggie's journey that you just don't know what will happen. I like to say that you need to stay optimistic until there is a definitive reason not to be.
Happy New Year!
Karen and the Pugapalooza
Thanks Karen and Pugapalooza!
Wow... that is indeed a great story! I only wish I knew I had 3 more years with him. You are right though to stay optimistic whatever odds your are given. Each day is a blessing. (as we all should act!!) I know little to nothing about these types of cancers even in the human world. I have tried to read as much as possible about OSA. I've read everything I could about Carboplatin and now probably know about as much or more than my local vet. Thanks for the warning about the low white blood count. We are getting one two weeks post chemo to check. You always expect things to just run like clock work trying to be positive and then when there are glitches or complications we all seem to fall apart at the seams. I know I do!!!! (as a patient not a nurse... although I have had several of those.. OH CRAP.. moments as a nurse!! and those are never fun!)
I appreciate all the advice and encouraging words. It ALL helps so much. OH... does anyone exactly know any statistics for dogs nation-wide with OSA or other types of cancer? I thought I read something about 8/10,000 dogs but that doesn't sound right. And then there was another statistic of 8000 newly dx cases yearly. I was just curious how really common this is in dogs. I have read about the increase in cancer amoung young neutered male dogs esp. large breeds. I am not saying don't get your dog neutered, but the statistics increased as much as 62% among dogs neutered at or around 6 months of age. Makes one wonder if one should delay neutering a bit to decrease your odds with cancer. Any comments or suggestions about this? This article .. a very thorough one.. was by a Charles Kuntz.. Prof. of Veterinary Medicine published in some journal of some sort. I was just wondering if anyone else had come across such things in their own research.
Thanks again. Karen and gang!!!
pyrlover4ever said:
...dogs nation-wide with OSA or other types of cancer? I thought I read something about 8/10,000...
Not sure where you read that number... The Morris Animal Foundation's Canine Cancer Campaign reports that one in four dogs will die from cancer, with two in four being affected in some way.
Patou is a beautiful big boy!
Tripawds Founders Jim and Rene
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Wow... I didn't realize it was THAT much!! I knew those odds sounded way too few. OMG... I sure hope they keep doing research that is going to help these pups!!!!! That is incredible!!! It makes me afraid to get another large breed dog since the odds seem more prone to bigger breed dogs.
thanks Jim
janet and Patou
thanks for the compliment... he's a big guy with a big heart too!!!!! They don't call the Gentle Giants for nothing!!!!!
It is true that early neutering seems to increase the risk because these giant dogs aren't done with their long bone growth until 18 months or later. Early neutering seems to cause the growth rates to change so a lot of dogs end up with ACL injury (knees) or bone cancer. All of the vets at our clinic are now recommending to delay the surgery if possible. A Lab or Shepherd size dog could probably be safely neutered at 9-12 months and Mastiff or Dane sized dogs at 18-24 months.
As far as incidence goes we have 5 doctors at our practice and there have been months where we have seen more than 1 per week and maybe the rare month where we don't see any but it occurs enough in certain breeds that it is the first thing I look for in a limping older dog.
Pam
Janet and Patou, I would like to welcome you two warmly and Im joyfully writing you because I am an absolute, certified Pyr-lover myself. I dont think I could have described my own love for them any better than you beautifully did in your first post. My wife and I have had four in the last 15 yrs. which unfortunately have not been tragedy free. When I first started dating my wife, I went to pick her up and was met by her majestic, yet huggable Samson. Sammy stood between us to greet me, he was all she had and he knew it. But Sammy took to me so quickly that my wife took it as sign; I still owe Sammy so much for giving me a chance with the most beautiful woman in the world! In fact as I came to learn and love the breed even more, I realized my wife's personality and sweetness were correlated with the breed. Pyr-people are a class all their own!
But we have never had any children so these big-babies are all we have. In Aug. of '00 I decided to surprise Jennifer with a new pyr-pup. I secretely saved the money and corresponded with a breeder, but I had to fill her in on my plan as we would have to drive 3 1/2 hours to North Jersey to pick up the bear cub, who became known as Sophie. Sammy was 6 at the time, so Sophie was intended to soften the blow as our amazing bear got older. For the next six years Sammy and Sophie were the subject of hundreds of great photos and the topic of any conversation people had with us. At the end of Dec. '06 Sammy was 12 1/2 and became sick rather unexpectedly, his health precipitated and it took a god-awful, heartbreaking decision at 300 am to bring him back to heaven. The boyo who was with us everyday we ahd been together was gone. The next few months Sophie took over sole gaurdianship of the house, she seemed like she missed her boy too, as it turned out, she was sick as well. Just six months after Sammy, Sophie began getting nose-bleeds which revealed earth-shaking news to us: it was nasal cancer, 100% fatality rate after a year. We did everything we could for our little girl, spent an insane amount of money(and I would do it again), and in July '07 she too was gone, only 7 yrs. old. When you take two giant bears who are giant parts of your life out of your little farm house, it feels like a cavern had just ripped through your life. The house had a terrible echo and we both no longer felt full or right. We didnt know when we would ever be ready again to fill their spots in our lives.
But there is serendipity in life and while we were on vacation in Savannah, Georgia in April '08 we were walking down River Street and right out in front of a restaurant we saw a young handsome Pyr with that sweet, siilly look on his face that all Great Pyrenees proudly express. My wife caught sight of him and made a b-line to this family who was eating outside and began hugging 'Emmit'. Since she was in tears
and oblivious to the people that existed around her I had to converse with them and explain the situation we just went through. But as it goes, if you ever had pyr, you understand how my wife felt and they did. But I thought that Georgia was an odd place to find one of these guys. They're somewhat rare and they don't enjoy the heat too much. Well, the next morning I happened to look in the local paper while getting a cup of coffee and there it was, Great Pyrenees pups 8 wks old! It was the first day that add had run in the paper the breeder said and I just so happened to come across it. So on a whim, in the middle of vacation which also was celebrating our ninth anniversary, we went to go pick out a new pup. I knew the urge to for my wife to pick out only one pup out of eight was going to be too much to overcome, so I put my foot down before hand and insisted that we were only getting one. Incidentally....we left with two! As soon as we entered the back yard of the breeder, one baby, the biggest of the bunch with the head of a cabbage, stood by my wife's side and looked up at her like they had always been friends, and he stayed by her side the rest of the time we sifted through the menacing bunch bears. Since we grabbed the biggest, we also grabbed the smallest, the runt, who to me, also was the cutest. And there it was, our new family and a new beginning. We grappled with finding names for them, but we decided that since this was such a destined circumstance we would have to honor it with names related to Savannah. While we sat pondering their new namesakes, a sax player in front of us palyed Johnny Mercer's "Moon River", and it made me think of the line "my Huckleberry friend". It was perfect, not only was Mercer a Savannah native, but this fat-headed bear just looks like a Huckleberry, and what more pretty and regal name could befit a beautiful Southern girl than "Georgia". We loaded them up and made the 1500 mile trip back home, they slept the entire ride.
That peaceful ride had its price though. That comment you made about them not being chewers is true, but the partners in crime that these guys are, they ate a piano, three couches, three chairs, and just about every window-sill in the house. But it was all worth the joy that they brought back into the house and made it full again. Huckleberry has grown into a 130 lb. barrel of jiggly joy, and Georgia is our petite little 90lb. peanut. And when they look at you with those expressive faces where you think they're about to talk, you swear you can hear their southern accents. Georgia never, leaves Jennifers side at night, there's even times when she is so comfortable in bed cuddling with my wife, that I'm actually guilted into sleeping in the living room. I completely relate and understand what you have said about your guys being there for you and helping you throught the difficult times, like its a sense of their duty. They are so emotionally expressive sometimes that its unbelievable, and Georgia is there for Jennifer on any bad day. As you can tell, our world was crushed once again when Georgia also started limping, and we were again in battle with nasty cancer.
Her recovery has been wonderful though, and there was some light shed in this blackness. Just like you, we were finacially incapable of comfortably paying for chemo; unfortunately I think that too many shun the treatment for its daunting costs. But we were offered to participate in a study affiliated with OhioState University, which pays for all chemo, metronomic followup, tests and bloodwork, and hopefully depending on her group, she is offered the new anticancer drug palladia. You commented on the strides of animal cancer research, and believe it or not, it has come so far in the last few years. This drug has high success and it wasn't available, and would have been helpful when Sophie had her cancer. The equipment, the drugs, the intent, are all parallel with human care. In fact, doctors actually learn quite a bit about cancer by treating dogs, because their lives are condensed microcosms of ours, they learn alot in short period of time. Im sorry I went on and on here, but I was excited to come across you guys. I love that you love Pyrs! Your sweet funny Patou sounds like he's gracing you with a smooth recovery as well. Georgia hasnt had a hard time really with the chemo, actually she gets more and more like herself with every day that passes; yesterday she was literally running after the snowballs I was throwing and you couldnt even tell she was missing something. Shes even standing up to Huckleberry who bounces off of everybody when you get home from work, he hasnt been able to knock her down yet! Wednesday she gets her second treatment of Carboplatin. We wish you the best of luck, and its very easy to see how much you love your boy and why! You're doing a great job, keep your head up, and if you have any questions, please ask. Take care! Ryan, Jennifer, Georgia, and Huckleberry
I just lost my female Pyr, Denali, to OSA last month. I still have my boy (Loki) - he's more the typical Pyr than my Denali was. Denali was the life of the party, though she had the typical pyr traits of not listening, night barking, digging, etc and she was a strong chewer who always seemed to have a bone of some kind with her - she loved people and attention and didn't have a mean bone in her body. Our journey with OSA was a short one - just under 5 months, she would have been 6 yrs old on Christmas. I opted not to do chemo with Denali, she didn't do well with the amputation because of her arthritis and mild hip dysplasia - though I wonder if it was a tweek in her back and not the arthritis/dysplasia (she too was a rear amp). In the end, there were more tumors in her stump and suspected throughout her body, though her lungs and organs remained clear of mets - she lost the ability to control her remaining leg and was in pain, so I had to bid my little angel goodbye.
Loki and I are still quite saddened by her loss. My house is much more quiet (my pyrs are pets - their job is to keep the couch warm instead of guarding a flock). I know Denali was a very special pyr and she will never be replaced - I'm looking at different breeds (still giants) because of the loss - I hope to always have a Pyr in my life though. When looking at giants, after Denali, I'm really into promoting researching your breeders and finding a highly reputalbe one who does testing and preferably those that are a part of breed clubs (unless of course you are rescuing). My Denali came from a back yard breeder - her parents worked a horse farm, neither had any testing done on them and Denali's past was riddled with lots of medical problems. If you want - you can read about Denali's story here -- there are pictures of her (on the 'see previous postings' there's even one where you can see my Loki-bear).
I hope Patou recovers quickly into his 'old self'!!
~~~~ Denali ~~~~
June 9, 2010 OSA suspected
June 17, 2010, July 14, 2010 Clear X-rays – no mets
July 1, 2010 Amputation
July 9, 2010 OSA Confirmed
November 23, 2010 Cancer took you from me - Never forgotten, Always Loved - Forever
Supporting the Fighters, Admiring the Survivors, Honoring the Taken, And never, ever giving up Hope
georgiagirl said : ' The house had a terrible echo and we both no longer felt full or right.'
Ryan, Jennifer, Georgia and Huckleberry, also Denali and Loki's dad/mom,
Wow... thank you SO much for sharing your stories!!!! Don't get me wrong.. I love ALL breeds of dogs, but there is a special place in my heart for Pyrs. Ryan... it is strange that you correlate people with their Pyrs, but many times I have likened myself to the Pyrs personality and perhaps that is why they work so well for me. I'm usually the strong quiet type, I like most things,people and animals, and really don't have much bad to say about anyone or anything unless of course provoked then I can be like a mother lioness, and I can just sit back and take it all in without having to be the life of the party. That pretty much sums up the life of a Pyr. My Pys have always been a big part of my life. Their big deep barks at nite actually reassure me. I know they are out there doing their jobs. (at least Lucy usually is... patou is usually snoring by my bed!!) When i come home from the hospital after a long gruelling shift.... it's Patou who eagerly trots down off the front porch and is ALWALYS at my truck door when I open it. It's like he's saying, 'mom.. I'm glad your home.. how was your day?' Then he always walks beside me where my free hand touches his back (I don't have to bend down to touch his back) and we walk 'hand in hand' all the way to the house. His presence is SO grand in my life. I just almost can't imagine him not being there. His absence will be echoingly silencing in my life. My home IS full when they are here. The house literally shakes when they lay on the floor!!
I was SO saddened reading your stories. It makes me weep for these big sweeties. Oh... and to think you lost both your sweeties in such a short amount of time! You are right about the house having a terrible echo and no longer feeling full or right. I have a placque in my house that has a pic of a PYR and says" this house isn't complete without the pitter patter of a Pyrenees feet." *ok... well maybe they don't pitter patter!!!! * But you get the gist.
Ryan... I loved reading your story about your Pyrs. It really made me smile and appreciate my Pyrs even more. Most Pyrs I have met have that same sweet personality and people are drawn in by their size and majesty, and just their inspiring presence. Patou went with me one year on a March of Dimes Walk for our hospital. Kids just were magnetically drawn to him. They would just run up and fling their arms around him. He of course was SO obliging and sweet. I was SO proud of him that day. Many of the adults asked if all Pyrs were SO good with children and I said yes.. that most were, as they saw children as something they should protect and guard over. Patou has also been to the nursing home with me, and despite all the buzzers, and call lights and obstacles such as wheel chairs he was still SO good to just sit and let the patients pat him and feel his fur. He could walk up to them in their wheelchairs and he would be at eye level so no one had to stoop down to pet him. He was always SUCH a gentleman in the nursing home with those delicate old people. And you should have seen the smiles on those patients faces. Many of them would start talking about their pets they either had as children or as adults or both, making them miss their childhood pets and bringing back good memories for them. I once took an orphan lamb into the nursing home and if I had any artistic ability, I would have loved to sketch one the older residents holding that new young lamb with their old wrinkled hands that showed years of hard work and lots of love still to give.
Thank you also for sharing your new Pys with us. I know I can never be without a Pyr and one day I will have another. I want to now enjoy and rejoice in Patou's life as much as possible. Today we went to visit our sheep. I thought he needed to get out and do some things that he has always loved to do. We also went to see my friends newly born piglets. Patou LOVES.. those baby pigs!! He always gets SO excited to see those baby pigs and when he discovered we were heading to the farrowing barn he got SO excited and could hardly wait til I opened the gates!! I once kept an ailing orhpan pig for my friend and hand raised it, and my Pyrs of course protected that little fella. One day I actually saw Lucy dancing with that piglet!! They were chasing each other in circles!! And one warm winter day I had the piglet sunning himself on my front porch and the Census lady came by to give me my forms and asked 'what kind of red puppy I had on my front porch!!!' I about fell over laughing so hard!!!!! THAT was a first. (sometimes it is a zoo at my house) I've had kittens and lambs, and pigs, and a quail named Bob (she was actually a bobette we found out later) and baby chicks in my bathroom and NEVER did any of my Pyrs ever dare to bother any of them. The best was when my mamma cat put her kittens in the same box as my orhpan lamb and all the kittens and mommy cat were cuddled around that warm baby lamb. (I wish i had taken a picture of that but at two in the morning... it was all I could do to give the lamb her 2 o'clock feeding!!!)
That is why my life is so much fuller with my Pyrs. They give me comfort and joy, and never a worry.
thanks again.
Janet and Patou
Patou is beautiful, thanks for sharing pictures with us!
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