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Hello my name is Mary and I have a 5 1/2 yo English Mastiff named "Angus Og". On Friday, 9/11/09 I noticed he was limping slightly in the morning when he got up from his bed, and came downstairs. But I thought it was from the way he was sleeping on it, like it fell asleep on him and he was trying to walk it out. So I kept an eye on it for about 15-20 mins and the limp didn't stop. It wasn't a bad limp and it would come and go. It was raining that day, so I watched him as he would go in and out to go to potty to make sure he wasn't running with our other dog, so he wouldn't slip or hurt it even more. The limp seemed to get even worse by noon. So I called the vet. They didn't have an opening for the day but they sai I could give Angus one (1) buffered aspirin that night and one (1) buffered aspirin the next morning Sat 9/12/09, and they would make an apt for Angus to see the vet a 9:45 on Sat.
So, we go to see the doctor. She examined Angus' right front forearm "distal radius" area. She watched him walk and said, well "anytime we have a limping pet come into our office it is required that we do a Lyme Disease blood test. I said "required? but we don't live in or anywhere near wooded area and use Frontline". She said, "well we really should do one, because of the limp.". So, we said ok to the test and it came back negative. Which I don't think I ever should have agreed to because it REALLY stressed him out when he cam back into the room. Now I have a 176lb dog who hates to go to the vet now. He used to love it. So, anyway, when the results came back negative after 10 mins. She examined Angus' right paw again, then she, "well with his age, and his size, and his breed it's probably arthritis." She put him on an anti-inflammatory med "Carprofen" for 7days and said if the limp doesn't stop after the 7days, bring him back and we'll x-ray the front paw and go from there.
So, low and behold after the 7-days the limp did stop and Angus went back to his usual and normal self. However, Thursday, 10-1-09 the limp came back with a vengenance. Angus is the type of dog who never shows his pain, he never whimpers. All he does is hold his paw up to you and wants you to hold it for him.
So, as soon as I saw that he was limping really bad again I got on the phone with the vet. The earliest they could get me in was 2:45 that afternoon. We went to the vet and saw the doctor. They x-rayed the right front forearm "distal radius". The doctor called me into the x-ray room to look at the films and I was expecting to here that Angus had a torn ligament or a pulled muscle, but I was no where near prepared to hear the words I heard when I walked into the room. (the words from my vet)...The vet told me that they found a bone tumor on Angus' right front forearm the "distal radius" area. It was Osteosarcoma, an agressive, painful bone cancer in dogs. He said by looking at the x-ray, he was 75% certain, but not definitely sure. If I wanted to take it further, I would need to get a biopsy to be 100% certain to see if it was maliginant or benign, they will drill a screw in the bone of the tumor to do the biopsy, which will be painful (but he will be sedated). However, years ago they used to amputate the paw, and even with chemo the chances of survival may only be 6-9 mos. My vet kept saying to me, it's up to you if you want to take it further. But in the mean time, we can wait two weeks, keep Angus on anti-inflammatory meds "Carprofen" and then re x-ray him and look and see if the tumor has a starburst effect. He told me there was a specialist I could see that was 42min from me, and (still saying if I wanted to take it further). It seemed like he didn't want me to take it further. It seemed like the vet had one paw of Angus' in the grave already and I wasn't going to let that happen. I'm going to take the gamble of 25%, I think it's a good enough chance as any.
Well, paid my bill, took the meds for Angus for pain and left. I came home told my BF the news (we cried of course) and it took no time for us to make the decision, after talking with Angus, that we wanted to take it further. I was back on the phone with the vet in no time flat for the specialist information. We have an apt with the specialist for a consultation Wed. 10-7-09 and the biopsy/surgery is scheduled for Thurs. 10-8-09. Those were the best dates for apts. Othere than that we would have had to wait longer.
I am on pins and needles waiting for the outcome of the results of the tests and I have so many questions that I want to ask the specialists when I get there tomorrow. In the meantime, Angus is doing well. His appetite is good, pills are getting tough to give, when before he was so easy to give pills to. Cream cheese was his favorite, now he just turns his head and just forget it. American cheese works pretty good so far, because he loves that. So I'll keep using that until that fails. In the meantime, I will keep you updated of his progress.
Hello,
I am very sorry to hear about your Mastiff. I have a 7 year old female Mastiff named Tazzie and she had her RF leg amputated 8/26/08 due to osteosarcoma (also of the distal radius). This is actually a very common site for this cancer especially in giant breeds. Tazzie had 5 doses of chemo with minimal side effects and she is still very happy and doing well 13 months later.
I would definitely consult with both a surgeon and an oncologist. Have they taken lung xrays yet? Up to 25% of dogs can survive 1-2 years or more even without chemo so there is some hope for a better prognosis than 6-9 months.
My dog is still enjoying life although she can no longer handle 2 mile walks and we do limit her access to stairs.
Please let me know if you have any questions!
Pam and Tazzie
HI Mary and Angus,
I'm so sorry that Angus has been diagnosed with osteosarcoma. My Jake (10yr old golden retriever) was also recently diagnosed with osteosarcoma… of his front fight proximal humerus. He fractured that leg, and had his bone biopsy 2 days later. We were also so devastated to hear that horrible news! Jake had his amputation surgery on Sept 17th and it's been 19 days since his surgery. The first 2 weeks were a little up and down, but this past weekend, Jake really seemed to have bounced back! He acutally went swimming for the first time in over a month… and was so happy! You can check out his pictures and videos in his blog at Jake's Journey.
It's a great thing that you found this awsome support group. I don't know how my husband and I could have gotten through everything so far, without the wonderful support and information from everyone here!
I'll be thinking of you and Angus on Thursday and hope that everything goes well with his biopsy. The results can take 1 week or more to come back. I know you will be so worried during that time… but just post all your questions and frustrations in this forum… We are all here to help each other!!!
Jake's Mom
Jake, 10yr old golden retriever (fractured his front right leg on 9/1, bone biopsy revealed osteosarcoma on 9/10, amputation on 9/17) and his family Marguerite, Jacques and Wolfie, 5yr old german shepherd and the newest addition to the family, Nala, a 7mth old Bengal mix kittie. Jake lost his battle on 11/9/2009, almost 8 weeks after his surgery. We will never forget our sweet golden angel… http://jakesjou.....ipawds.com ….. CANCER SUCKS!
Hi Mary! Thanks so much for joining the Tripawd community, and for your very generous support. We are sorry to hear about Angus Og but gald you found us. You will never feel alone here.
Your story is one of classic presentation for OS. We wish you all the best in the decisions you face and look forward to following Angus' progress.
Tripawds Founders Jim and Rene
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Hello Pam and Tazzie, it's nice to meet you and thank you so much for your advice and support regarding OS. I'd like to say that Jim suggested that I see the movie today, about Tazzie the 3 legged Mastiff, and I must say I was very impressed how well Tazzie looked, how happy she was, and the mobility of her body getting around just 3 mos after her sx. I was astonished at the resilience of giant breeds. She looked beautiful.
To answer your question, no, chest x-rays have not been taken yet. My vet did not do them. I will be requesting that they be done tomorrow, when we go to the specialists at our consultation. The Metropolitan Veterinary Associates said they will be doing some more bloodwork as well.
It is good to know that up to 25% of dogs can survive 1-2 years or more even without chemo and that there is some hope for a better prognosis than 6-9 months then from what my vet told me. Apparently, my vet is misinformed.
We have been limiting stairs for our Mastiff now even before any operation, may be needed. He even knows to lead with his left paw instead of his right so as not to put pressure on the right to limit any pain for himself, when he has to go out to go potty.
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Hello Jake's Mom, it's very nice to meet you and thank you so much for your support and kind words. Jake is a very handsome boy, and strong, and to bounce back the way he did and to be swimming in just such a short amount of time after his surgery in September, is truly AMAZING!!! I can't wait to check out his pictures and videos in his blog at Jake's Journey. I have been reading a lot of amazing blog/storys on this website, as Tripawds.com truly is, like you said a wonderful website, with wonderful people.
I didn't know that the results would take 1 week to come back from the specialists. I'm glad you told me. I guess I will find that out tomorrow when we go to our apt. I will definitely be on pins and needles now Thank you for keeping us in your thoughts on Thursday. Especially Angus, he will need it
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Hello Jim (And Spirit Jerry), It is very nice to meet you and thank you for the nice welcome. I am so glad that I joined Tripawds.com, and I think that I found you all just in time. I have found so much information on your website so far that has given me comfort. I now know that there is hope for Angus because I have seen photos, and films of canines surviving bone cancer, longer than what I was actually told by my own vet, at least. So, like you said, I have decisions to face. I know I won't be alone when I face them because I now have the greatest people in the world that I have met that are supportive, and couldn't be kinder that have gone through the same things with their pets, and will help me face them together. I will certainly keep everyone posted on Angus' progress, after his consultation tomorrow, 10-7-09, and his biopsy on Thursday, 10-8-09.
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Mary
Hello there! I have to say, it's great that they discovered the cancer so fast (I know it seems like it took forever to get a straight answer, but my dog was limping on and off for 6 months before he got x-rayed. YIKES!). And here we are, 4 months after surgery and Jackers hasn't been this happy, well, ever. I don't even think he acted this hyper when he was a puppy. He's only 40 pounds so quite a bit smaller than your gorgeous mastiff, but a cancer diagnosis is not the end of the world, no matter what it may feel like right now. Angus doesn't know he has cancer, he just wants to get on being a normal dog and do normal dog things. Our job as dog parents is to make our little guys and girls as happy as they can be given the resources we have available, and if you do that, you have done your duty. Good luck in the (stressful!) days coming up, but I'm so glad you found this site since almost everyone on here has been through the same thing you guys are going through. Can't wait to see more pictures!!!
<3 Laura and Jackers
Hi Mary,
I'm sorry that your vet has not been helpful or even sensitive to what you are going through. Part of the reason your vet as given you different statistics is because there are so many different statistics out there. The median survival time without chemotherapy is three to four months with or without amputation. However, dogs don't know statistics. Jerry lived way longer than that without chemo. With amputation and chemo the median survival time is one year with (according to the Ohio State University Veterinary Hospital) 15-20% surviving for two years.
Emily's osteosarcoma looked just like the x-rays on the internet of an OSA. It didn't take the vet or the oncologist even one second let alone one week to get the results.
Good luck with your appointments. I am so glad that you have decided to go and talk to someone knowledgeable about OSA. It sounds like Angus Og will be a lot better hands than your unfeeling vet's. You both will be in my prayers. Keep us posted.
Debra & Emily
Debra & Emily, a five year old doberman mix, who was diagnosed with an osteosaecoma. She had a right rear leg amputation on May 19, 2009. On November 10, 2009 she earned her wings and regained her fourth leg.
Hi Mary and Angus! What a beautiful boy he is.
Cemil is an Anatolian Shepherd, a little smaller than Angus (he's about 148#), and he came through his amputation (LF) fine. He rested a lot more than some of the smaller dogs, but now, he's a little over 8 months past it and is back to himself. The first two weeks are tough and you'll wonder if it was really the best decision, but hang in there. You're about to see some miracles.
Let us know how it's going.
Mary and Cemil
Cemil and mom Mary, Mujde and Radzi….appreciating and enjoying Today
Hi Mary, how did the doctor visits and biopsy go?
You are in our thoughts. Hugs and wags to Angus and you too.
Tripawds Founders Jim and Rene
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Hello everyone,
I'm so sorry that I haven't been around. I was having some trouble getting onto the website, but I found out what the problem was (with some help) and corrected it, and now I am back. I so missed talking with everyone
Hello Laura, It is so nice to meet you and Jackers. Jackers is a very handsome boy and I'm so glad that he is happy and doing well. You are so right about the stress though. But, I'm not talking about it being stressful for me. I think it's more stressful for Angus, and my heart bleeds for him every time I have to take him to the vet because it just stresses him out so much I think he gets mad at us each trip to the vet (and I'll explain later) and I feel so guilty now. I think it all goes back to that visit at out local vet when the technician took his Lyme Disease bloodwork test sample. He just wasn't the same after that visit. He so loved going to the vet. But now he shys away from the techs/doctors now. He always had to get bloodwork before on many occasions because he has allergies, so he is used to getting needles. Maybe it was just a bad day for him, but now he'll never forget
Hello Debra and Emily, it is so nice to meet you. Emily looks just like my Black and Tan Coonhound, she is very pretty. You know, you are so right about the statistics. When we got to the specialists, the doctor gave us a completely different answer of statistics from what our local vet gave us. I have to mention this (because I didn't mention this one statistic above that my local vet told me w/o any tx'mt Angus had 4mos) ok that said. The specialist gave us 6-10 mos for Angus w/o any tx'mt at all and 10-14 mos for Angus w/amputation and chemo. However, I know that those statistics can change because every dog is different, based on age, breed, health, etc. The specialists also agreed with our local vet about the OS when she looked at the x-rays, but she said she was 99% sure it was OS (our vet was 75% sure) which changed the percentage down to 1% that it wasn't OS So, the specialist went ahead with the biopsy and x-rays of Angus's entire body (I'll explain later). Thank you so much for your thoughts and prayers.
Hello Macsmom, it is so nice to meet you. Thank you so much for the nice welcome and for your thoughts and prayers.
Hello Mary and Cemil, It is so nice to meet you. What a cute smile in Cemil's pic. I'm so glad that Cemil is doing well after his surgery. You know I often wonder that thought now, as I am coming to the final decision soon, as I watch Angus limp every day and soon we will be speaking to the oncologist, will I have made the right decision for him once he has the operation. I then say to myself, it's the best thing for him because he won't be in pain anymore. I keep telling myself that. He's in so much pain now with the limping I'm trying to hang in there everyday for him but just watching him makes me cry for him. I just hope the meds at least give him some relief, or at least takes the edge off somewhat until the operation can take place.
Hi Jim and (Spirit Jerry), Well, we went to see the specialist on Wed, 10-7-09 and we thought it was going to be a consultation only, however the doctor requested that Angus not eat that morning. Only take his meds and drink water. We thought it was because they didn't want him getting sick, because he was getting sick from the Rimadyl. The biopsy/surgery was scheduled for Thursday, 10-08-09. Like I mentioned above, when the doctor saw the x-rays, she did agree with our local vet 99% that Angus had OS. She gave us the statistics of 6-10 mos for w/o any tx'mt at all and 10-14 mos for w/amputation and chemo. Then we said that we wanted to talk with the oncologist as well. She said he wasn't in that day, so we would need to make an spt. with him. She asked if were thinking about the amputation, we said we wanted to know all of the options. She told us about the bone replacement, however she said that the bone replacement surgery may not always take and may have to be done again. ($10K surgery + cost of Chemo). She didn't want to do the biopsy if we did the bone replacement, because that would have weakened the bone. So then we talked about the amputation ($3500 Sx + Cost of Chemo). So, we said do the biopsy and we will go from there. She said, Angus didn't eat? We said no, why? She said well since he didn't eat we can do the biopsy today. Our apt was at 10:15a, we were an hour away from our house. She said I will also do a full body x-rays of Angus to make sure his boy can withstand an amputation and make sure the cancer did not spread. So, by the time we were waited on it was 11:00a, because this is not only a veterinary hospital, it is also an emergency hospital. So, we were waiting for quite some time. By the time the technician took Angus back to sedate him for the x-rays and the biopsy/surgery the doctor told us to go to lunch and to be back by 2pm because he would be all done and ready to go. We went to lunch and were back by 1:30pm. The doctor called us in the back at 1:45pm to look at Angus' x-rays. She said his lungs were very clear the cancer did not spread, so there is nothing to worry about. His heart looks very good. Both of his knees look great and both of his hips look terrific. No arthritis showing anywhere. Left front arm looks great as well (no tumors anywhere). She also showed us the right front distal radius again, where the tumor was and where she would be doing the biopsy. Also the doctor did bloodwork, which came back normal. Needless to say, it was 2:00p at that point she hadn't started the biopsy yet. She said, they were only just prepping him for the biopsy and it would only take her a 1/2 an hour for her to do the biopsy and then for Angus to wake up from the sedation. We would be leaving in about an hour. Well, let's just say we wound up going to dinner at 5:00pm and then not leaving the hospital until 7:30pm. Angus for some reason had a hard time waking up for the sedation. He left there with a cast and a boot. We left with instructions of going back in 10-14 days to get the sutures out and the cast off, and when we go back we will speak with the oncologist. Also, medication of Tramadol and Rimadyl
When we got home Angus just wanted to sleep, but the next day he didn't want to do anything, when I say didn't want to do anything I mean, not eat, not potty (pee or pooh, not even drink water). I was getting so worried. He hadn't poohed since the day before we sent to the specialist, and he hadn't peed since that morning of the specialists visit (which was 24hrs). So I called the vet (specialists) and let them know right away. They started thinking that maybe he was getting dehydrated. So, they said to call my local vet That's all I needed. So I called my local vet to let them know, they said to bring him in as soon as I could. Well, I figured Angus already had a stressful day the day before, now he was going to go through another stressful something with this vet, and be mad again So, his not usual vet doctor, and she was a mean one, came over to him and started poking around his mouth to check and see if he was dehydrated, then she pinched his skin. Then she said, "Well, he's not dehydrated. It must be kidney failure." So we said, "how can it be kidney failure when the doctor just did bloodwork the day before and the bloodwork was normal." So, she said she would call the specialists we saw the day before and get her recommendation, and go from there. She did and came back. She did bloodwork again. The bloodwork came back normal again. So she said we may have to do a catheter to empty his bladder. They took him back, he was so upset when they took him in the back room that he peed right there on the floor. The brought him back out within 10 mins. and we said, "that was fast". They said, he peed on the floor a big puddle and then another little puddle So, he was just either mad or just being stubborn. Ever since then he started eating and drinking and going potty
But....when we took him back to get what we thought was the sutures and cast removed on Thursday, 10-15-09. The doctor only removed the cast and boot, and kept the sutures in until 10-23-09. She said they have to stay in for at least 10-14-days. When we brought Angus home he was stubborn that day with not eating but he was ok with potty and drinking. Just not very sociable. I just feel that he gets mad when we take him to the vet. So, now we have to take him back on the 23rd to get the sutures out and that's the day we will be s/w the oncologist. But I guess once we speak with the oncologist and we decide to go with the amputation, there will be many more visits to the vet and Angus will get mad. So I guess that's where the stress for me will come from. Maybe the stress won't be so bad for Angus once the pain goes away I'll keep everyone posted.
We're so happy to have you back, thanks for the update! Sounds like you have a lot to think about with Angus, but try not to stress. He'll just feed off your emotions. Looking forward to hearing what his oncologist has to say. Best wishes...
Tripawds Founders Jim and Rene
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OMG! I'm so sorry that you're having all these issues with the vets and Angus being upset about his visits. Having to coordinate visits between your local vet and the specialist must be a stress for you as well.
I know how painful just the bone biopsy can be for a dog. Jake not only had to deal with that, but also a fractured bone (that's how we found out about his cancer). So he had to wait a little over 2 weeks from the time he fractured his leg (10/1), then had the bone biopsy 2 days later, pathology came back a week after that, then his amputation surgery was done on 10/17. All this time, he was on pain meds and anti-inflammatories, and he couldn't even wear a cast to stabilize his leg because of how high up on his leg the fracture was. Every time he moved, my heart would skip a beat, just imagining his fracture moving and the pain he must have been in.
At least Angus has a cast, so that should help him keep his leg stable while he waits for his surgery. Pain, pain meds and stress, that surely is enough reason to not have much of an appetite, though Jake never stopped eating. He's always been a little piggy when it comes to food! You could always try an assortment of yummy and healthy treats to get him to eat if he's not eating normally. I made my own liver treats... used peanut butter with Jake's meds, cheese, also cooked a chicken stew with brown rice and carrotts which I added to Jake's dry food.
Good luck with your visit with the oncologist on Friday. Let us know how it goes... I'll be thinking of you and Angus...
Jake's Mom
Jake, 10yr old golden retriever (fractured his front right leg on 9/1, bone biopsy revealed osteosarcoma on 9/10, amputation on 9/17) and his family Marguerite, Jacques and Wolfie, 5yr old german shepherd and the newest addition to the family, Nala, a 7mth old Bengal mix kittie. Jake lost his battle on 11/9/2009, almost 8 weeks after his surgery. We will never forget our sweet golden angel… http://jakesjou.....ipawds.com ….. CANCER SUCKS!
Hi Jim and (Spirit Jerry)
Thank you for the welcome back You are so right about having a lot to think about. I'm trying not to stress about everything. I'm just so glad that I have such nice friends on this wonderful website to come and talk with. You are all keeping me sane. I'm so sorry that my posts are so long, but I have so much to say for right now and my mind is working on overtime. That's why I was up so late last night typing all of my updated information about Angus in my post. I was also glad I could get back onto this website too
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Hi Jake's Mom,
I'm so sorry to hear that Jake had the fracture, with the tumor. I can't imagine the pain he was suffering with before his operation. I only hope the meds helped him somewhat before he had his sx. At least he is no longer in the pain he was in before, and much happier.
About the food, I am doing just that with his favorite treats and making some ground meat with rice. He's just loving that. He loves his wet food, but just not with his dry in it any more (which is how he used to eat it). So, I've been giving him his medicine in his wet food, and amer. cheese.
I'm so worried that, that's what will happen while Angus is walking on his paw while waiting for the surgery. When we took Angus to the specialists on Oct 15th to have the sutures removed, she moved the cast and the boot, but left the sutures. So, he doesn't have that cast anymore. The doctor wrapped it the sutured area (because we asked her to, she was going to leave it exposed) with gauze and that rubberized stuff that sticks to itself. We didn't want him to lick the area and Angus doesn't do well with a collar. The doctor said "well the area may become swollen with just a wrapping on it so you may have to take the wrapping off if that happens". What do you think happened"? His paw became swollen the next day because they wrapped that rubber self sticking wrap so tight. The doctor called to see how Angus was doing and I told her about the swelling. She said, well that can happen. So, I told her that I am wrapping it myself loosely, with 4x4 gauze pads and 3" gauze roll and keeping it closed with paper tape. It keeps him away from the area (no licking). She said that was fine, as long as he's not licking the area. He will have the sutures removed this Friday. I noticed him rubbing at it, (he'll rub his paw on his snout) probably because the area is itchy him and healing.
I just got a confirmation call from the oncologist, they said we will be there for an 1 1/2 hours on Friday 10/23/09. So we will see how that visit goes. I will keep everyone posted
I am sorry to hear of the problems that you are having, we had a 3 month period where the diagnose, it went from OS to Valley Fever, they kept Tasha on pain meds the entire time but would add an anti fungal during the times they thought it was Valley Fever. On the 3rd set of x rays there was no question it was cancer. On Oct 1st. she had her front leg and shoulder removed, it was a hard two weeks. She is on day 21 today and she is happy and pain free. Her eyes are bright and there is such a happiness in her. It is so wonderful to see her happy and free from the pain. All the best for Angus on Friday.
Tasha 8 years old, First cancer diagnosis 6/26/09, Last cancer diagnosis 9/26/09, Amputation 10/01/09, Loving our girl moment by moment.
Tasha lost her battle and became my Angel on May 4 2011. Forever in my heart….
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