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Note to admin- I couldn't decide it this went here or under Treatment and Recovery- feel free to move it...
My pug Maggie has mast cell cancer. She had her left rear leg amputated in September of 2006, and incredibly is still here. For those of you who don't know Maggie's history you can read it in her blog at: http://maggiesj.....ies-story/
We were at the vet today because I found two more bumps on Mag, one of which we are pretty sure is a new cutaneous mast cell tumor (MCT). The thing about cutaneous MCTs is that they may each be an independent primary tumor, and NOT an indication of mets. This seems to be the case for Maggie.
Some background:
The tumor in her leg which led to the amp was actually her second MCT. When first presented with the diagnosis of the tumor in her leg and the potential options I decided right away that I would not do radiation therapy on her. It was a personal choice knowing that pugs, and particularly Maggie, do not do well being anesthetized. The radiation treatment would require her to be anesthetized frequently, and I felt that there was a good chance she wouldn't survive multiple treatments. As it turns out radiation was not an option for the tumor in her leg, it was just too big. It could have been used on subsequent cutaneous tumors but I do not consider it an option for Maggie.
After Mag's amp she went through 6 months of chemo. While she did fine, she was often tired and lethargic. I have also decided at this point that I won't do such a rigorous chemo treatment again. Maggie is almost 11, I'm not sure how long she has, but I don't want her to spend 6 months tired all the time. Don't get me wrong- I don't regret the decision to do chemo at the time-I think it has saved her life. But now there are different factors to consider when deciding on treatment.
Last March I found what turned out to be two cutaneous MCTs, one on her chest, and one on her back. She was due for an oncology check up so we met with the oncologist to decide the course of treatment. Usually for cutaneous MCTs the tumor and a huge amount of surrounding tissue is removed to be sure to get all of the the tumor. MCTs show as a bump, but there is usually more of it than you can see. Picture an egg cracked into a pan. The yellow yoke is the tumor you can see, but the surrounding clear (what becomes white) is the rest of the tumor. Maggie's first MCT (before the one that caused the amp) was cutaneous- she has a 6-7" scar on her side from the surgery- and she is only 21" around at the chest. When we found the tumors last March Mag was 10. I had decided then that I would not do any more huge tumor removals. I met with the oncologist and expressed my concerns about aggressive treatment. She was totally supportive of my decision. Together we decided to run some tests to make sure her internal systems were still clear of cancer, which they were. Then Mag's oncologist suggested we remove just the tumor under a local anesthetic. I thought this was a good option since it was minimally invasive, relatively pain free, and Mag didn't need to go under. She ended up with two stitches in each site. The risk is that you don't get it all and the tumor re-grows. Because we did not get good margins, that is a 'zone' of cancer free tissue around the tumor, the tumors were graded II. That means that there is a possibility that they would re-grow. Nine months have gone by and there is no tumor growth in the areas.
So that brings us back to today. Maggie had a lump on her side and a tiny one on her nose. My vet and I are pretty sure the one on her side is a MCT- the one on her nose maybe not. While you can't necessicarily tell a MCT by looking at it, given Mag's history and the fact that this one looks like the six other cutaneous MCTs we have dealt with between the two pugs I will be shocked if it is not a MCT. Instead of aspirating each lump to see if they were MCTs we decided just to take them off. Another thing about MCTs- they can releases histamine-containing granules that lead to inflammation and increased stomach acid secretion. So dogs will usually be put on Pepcid during treatment to help counteract stomach problems. Since we most likely would have to take the tumors off anyway there seemed to be no point in testing it ahead of time- both tumors will be sent for biopsy to confirm diagnosis.
My next decision will be whether or not do do an full oncology check up in March or April. Since I am going down the path of minimal treatment it doesn't seem necessary to do a lot of expensive tests. As many here have decided I may wait until she shows signs of internal cancer before I do the tests. And I'm not sure how many more tumors I will remove either, I guess it depends on the rate they show up, the location and the rate of growth. A fast growing tumor is an indication that it is aggressive and potentially more dangerous. And at some point you have to stop if they keep coming back. Another MCT thing- dogs that have had more than one MCT are likely to develop more. This is true in Mag's case but so far all seem to be independent and not signs of mets. One of my oncologist's Bostons, a twelve year old, recently died with ten MCTs- but they were not the cause of death.
I read somewhere that after treatment dogs are considered 'cured' of mast cell cancer if no new occurrence happens with in 6 months. We have made it past 6 months twice, only to find cutaneous MCTs later. I'm not sure what this means- but Maggie is sure a survivor!
There is not many of us on this site dealing with mast cell cancer and I have not seen much info posted. Hopefully this information will be useful to the next parent dealing with mast cell cancer.
We should get the biopsy report back Monday or Tuesday, and Mag gets the stitches out in 10 days. Then we will go on, always on the look out for the next lump. My dad and I are trying to decide if we should call her 'lumpy' or 'stitch'.
Karen
Hi Karen
Sorry to hear about Maggie's lumps and surgeries! The name "Lumpy" was taken by Tazzie this fall. Stitch is still available as far as I know. Or, Maggie can be the Queen of Lumps. (Tazzie was the King of Lumps, at least once we clarified his gender to our tripawd comrades yet again.) You probably beat us in quantity. But Tazzie definitely had quality with one that eventually grew to a watermelon . As we tripawds say, it is all about quality, isn't it?!
I thought there were a couple of mast cell dogs or at least discussion on the topic in late summer or early fall. Did LuLu the chihuahua have mast cell? As you say, I haven't seen much about that type of cancer recently. I guess the topic came up a bit when people were talking about the release of Palladia this summer.
Susan
There's always Stitchy Lumps? Hmmm... maybe not. Gerry's grandma has called him Patches, since he had his bump removed and so has two shaved areas. That's an unofficial name, if it works for Mags too. Grandparents sure love nicknames, huh?
Excellent chronicling of information. I'm sure it will be very helpful to others all laid out like that. And just as helpful will be seeing what a calm and pawsitive attitude you've got about it all!
I am sorry to hear that the bumps just keep comin'. But rock on, brave rabbit hunter, Maggie/Stitch/Lumpy/StitchyLumps/Patches!
Gerry has been a tripawd since 12/16/2009.
He was a shelter dog with a mysterious past and an irrepairable knee injury.
Videos and pics of Gerry's pawesomeness can be found at: http://gerry.tripawds.com
I vote for Stitch. And I totally support Maggie the Survivor. Maggie, you're awesome. Karen, you are too.
Hoping for a good biopsy report.
Mary and Cemil
Cemil and mom Mary, Mujde and Radzi….appreciating and enjoying Today
Hi Karen,
Thanks for the history and education on MCT with your Maggie. I know my sister's Pitbull has one on her face...I think it was diganosed at a young age..she never removed it...I'm not sure what grade it is though. She has told me that it swells from time to time but goes back down. That's all I know about MCT..so again, thanks for the education.
I hope your Maggie's biopsy comes back good!!! I hear you on the minimal amount of aggressive treatments at her age now and her breed. That makes total sense to me.
Tracy, Maggie's Mom
PS I think I like "Lumpy" for a nickname 😉
Maggie was amputated for soft tissue sarcoma 10-20-09
Maggie lost her battle with kidney disease on 8-24-13
Karen,
I'm sorry to hear about Maggie's new bumps. You guys have been our inspiration and so very helpful. As you know, I am struggling right now with the same decisions and situation. Zoe is still healing from her recent surgery on her face, good news is they got clean margins and the oncologist reiterated what you had told me, this is not metastasis but a separate occurrence. But I totally understand your dilemma, at what point do you say, they have been through too much? It is hard because you question your motives and think am I being selfish, would she want this? I will pray for little stitch's biopsy to come back clean margins, low grade.
Karin & Zoe
I thouroughly enjoyed the MCT education - if you can enjoy such a thing. So hoping for a good report on Maggies new bumpies. I think there is a point where we all must step back and say "that is enough" to treatment. I admire that for the most part this wonderful group of pawrents are able to do it with such dignity. Continued good thoughts for Maggie and you as you continue the journey.
Shanna & Spirit Trouble ~ Trouble gained her wings 3/16/2011, a 27 1/2 month cancer survivor, tail wagging. RIP sweetheart, you are my heart and soul. Run free at Rainbow Bridge.
The November Five - Spirits Max, Cherry, Tika, Trouble & Nova. 11/2008 - 3/2013 An era ends as Queen Nova crossed the Bridge.
Hi all,
Susan, I certainly defer to Tazzie on the name Lumpy. Maggie herself is only slightly bigger than a watermelon so she really can’t compete .
As far as other MCT dogs I heard about Lulu but I think she was slightly before my time here. Although Mag is a long time tripawd I only found this site last fall.
I have talked with Zoe’s Mom Karin, who just posted in this topic, and new member Mel’s mom. So far I have only seen Mel on his blog. He just had his amp yesterday.
I think there are more active Maggies here than MCT dogs!
Tracy- I got a message from your sister I think on her pit. That’s another thing with MCTs- sometimes if you just leave them nothing really happens. But in Mag’s case the one in the leg was aggressive and starting to affect the function of her leg. And since she has had multiple MCTs the wisest course seems to be to remove them, at least for now.
Karin- it is good to hear the results on Zoe’s last MCT.
As far as the nickname goes- since the lumps and stitches are transitory I think I will stay with what I have always called her- Spud. Why? Well she just is a spud. I might have named her that at the beginning except for, well- that’s a topic for another day.
And thanks to all for the good thoughts. I’ll let you know what I find out.
Karen and the spud
Karen and all the pug girls,
Was about to respond when I noticed that you were on-line, so I waited hoping for "good" news. Forgive the fact that I have not found the strength to keep up with the site, but do not confuse that with the lack of wanting to follow "spud" and her progress. Since I cannot add to the intelectual content of your issues, I will only voice my support. We will be sending all our positive thoughts and waiting for the results. Does the effectiveness of positive thoughts depend upon the closeness of the generation?
Bob - Spirit Cherry's Dad
We'll keep positive thoughts coming for Maggie the spud! Although I kind of like Scarlet, too. We're hoping for good biopsy results for her next week. And will be here for you whatever road this takes you down.
Holly and Holly's mom
Holly joined the world of tripawds on 12/29/2009. She has a big little sister, Zuzu, who idolizes Holly and tries to make all of her toys into tripawds in Holly's honor. And she's enjoying life one hop at a time!
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Thank you for sharing these details Karen, this forum is just fine. Perhaps Maggie's new nickname should be Wonder Woman!
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