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Our black lab has high grade fibrosarcoma and the vet said he did not think we should put him through surgery since they would not only have to amputate his hind leg but half of his pelvis area and he has notice an enlarge lymph node in his abdomen. He is on tramadol for now, he has a bad limp but seems happy. I don't know what to expect, what to look for and I am scared... I don't want him to suffer, but for now he seems happy so I plan on spoiling him a little more and try some ES clear from the internet and I really would like to find some food that may help with his cancer. I am up for any tried and true remedies if anyone has experience this high grad sarcoma and has had any luck at beating the odds....
Hi Linda,
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I'm sorry about the diagnosis you got for your pup- what's his name?
As far as food and supplements please read through our Nutrition Blog. There are lots of good ideas there on good foods and supplements for cancer dogs. I feed a grain free food, and I am using K9 immunity for my quad-pug who has mast cell cancer. My first pug, who was a tri-pug due to mast cell also did well on a grain free diet.
I believe Tate had an amputation like you describe, called I think a hemipelvectomy, or something like that. I think he recovered OK from the surgery but unfortunately had an type aggressive cancer, his Mom Jan posts as tatespeeps. Here are tatespeeps posts- you might find some information about his surgery in the earlier posts.
Amputation is a hard decision to make- harder if the cancer has spread to his abdomen. I wish there was some kind of test they could do to be sure the lymph node is enlarged because of cancer. I know we had a false negative test on the lypmh nodes before surgery. You have to do what you are doing- get all the information you can, and make the best decision you can for your boy.
Please feel free to tell us more about your pup too. Tripawd or quadpawd the cancer journey is not an easy one. Most of us here have been through it and can help and support you while you make your decisions.
Karen and the pugagplooza
Welcome Linda, if you register you can subscribe to receive updates of new comments on your topics.
Be sure to search these forums and the blogs for any topics discussing fibrosarcoma, there are plenty. You also might want to consider these grain free dog foods or search the Nutrition Blog for other recommendations.
Tripawds Founders Jim and Rene
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Hi Linda,
I'm sorry you had to find us but glad you did! That lymph node is the big question mark, isn't it? It you knew it was not from cancer, the decision would be so much easier. I have no idea if they can biopsy a lymph node in a dog, but it would be nice to know.
I know the type of amputation your dog needs does sound really radical, but Tate and I think a couple of others here have had the surgery and did well after recovery. Tate did lose his battle, but the surgery itself was over and done with and Tate enjoyed the time he had left. I hope Jan sees this and will chime in. Don't be scared of the surgery. It's a big deal for sure, but if the cancer has not spread, your dog can recover from the surgery and enjoy whatever time he has left.
Shari
From abandoned puppy to Tripawd Warrior Dude, Dakota became one of the 2011 February Furballs due to STS. Our incredibly sweet friend lived with grace and dignity till he impulsively raced over the Bridge on 12-15-12.
Dakota's thoughtful and erudite blog is at http://shari.tr.....pawds.com/
Linda, I'm sorry to hear the news about your boy. Everyone here knows what a punch in the stomach it is and we'll give you whatever support we can.
As far as the surgery goes, most dogs recover from an amputation in about two weeks. Tate took between three and four weeks and he had to stay in the hospital for an extra night or two. The surgeon told us it was similar to hip replacement as far as where they make the cuts. It's a big deal but not so big that it is not recommended. So if you are deciding against the surgery based on what your vet said, then get a second opinion. In my opinion, the first step in fighting canine cancer is to remove it with surgery and that means amputation. I know, it's a shocking to think about it, but that's the way I see it.
I'd also see an veterinary oncologist about the lymph node, and I'd do it soon. Tate's x-rays and ultrasound came back clear so that is why we decided to go ahead with the surgery. That, and his prognosis was about a year. But if it had already spread then we would not have done it.
On the other hand, not doing anything but pain management is a good plan too. You won't have him with you as long but you will cram more love and bonding into his remaining time than you ever thought possible.
I don't have experience with fibrosarcoma but if you do decide against treatment, it's all about pain management . Veterinary hospice can help you but really, just let him do as much as he wants and keep him loaded up on Tram. And get your head wrapped around this because when he starts to suffer, you want to be able to let him go responsibly. Have plan, will you take him to your regular vet or have someone come to your home? Tate let me know when he was finished fighting, I was worried about knowing when it was time but he gave me a look that said, "Mom, I'm done" and I hear that from a lot of people.
I'm sorry to be so clinical about this but I know you're an emotional wreck right now and I think you need someone to tell it to you straight. Believe me, I know, this is probably one of the worst experiences of your life. You can get through this, we're here to help. The main thing is, love your boy...but I didn't need to tell you that, you already knew.
http://tate.tripawds.com/
August 16, 2006 to November 28, 2011
TATE ~ Forever in our hearts.
Thank you so much for kind workds.
We were planning on doing the amputation to hopefully rid this cancer, but our vet said he would have to remove at least half his pelvis and he needed to go so many centimeters past the tumor that he really wouldn't advise it since his type of fibrosarcoma is High Grade and Very Rare, he feels it has already started in his lympnode in his abdomen. He thinks as of now we will have him for Months (not years). I would hate to put him through all of that pain when everything I read on high grade fibrosarcoma
is so negative. I really haven't seen post from other young dog owners that have experienced this type of cancer. Our
vet said it is very rare but I will check on a holistic vet or oncologist this week, but hope they aren't in it to make the money for surgery and offer me little hope or worst give me false hope. I am so sorry for your loss, I cry daily and right now I have a dear friend with a young child suffering from stage 4 lung cancer and it seems so depressing. Where do I find veterinary hospice? I assume I can google it.
Thanks for the llistening ear.
Linda
Linda, here is a link to some folks who can help you make your decision: http://csuvth.c.....ort/argus/
The Argus Institute is part of Colorado State's teaching hospital, and they deal with folks all over the world who need help figuring out how to treat, whether or not to treat, when to stop, everything you can imagine. They are not trying to make money because they exist through donations, and if your dog's vet can communicate his findings with Argus, then you may find some clarity. Don't hesitate--call them Monday morning and call your vet and ask him to either give you your dog's records or be available to talk to them.
Shari
From abandoned puppy to Tripawd Warrior Dude, Dakota became one of the 2011 February Furballs due to STS. Our incredibly sweet friend lived with grace and dignity till he impulsively raced over the Bridge on 12-15-12.
Dakota's thoughtful and erudite blog is at http://shari.tr.....pawds.com/
Welcome Linda. We're sorry about this bad news but yes, do get a second opinion from a board certified oncologist to put your mind at ease for whatever decision you make. Either way we will be here for you.
This search for "fibrosarcoma" tags comes up with some stories that can help you know what to expect.
Tripawds Founders Jim and Rene
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Linda,
So sorry to hear your pup (name???) has had such a ruff diagnosis. Cancer sucks. But dogs are such amazing, resilient creatures. And even to have the last remaining months without pain -- that would be worth the trouble and expense of the surgery (at least in my book). Plus, dogs don't have the same reaction to the survival times that us people do. The doctor tells us they have six months and the dogs, (bless them) they hear "good dog." Which, I think, is why so many dogs survive so much longer than their vets think they will. Rio was given "six months to a year" with her first diagnosis. She lived for more than four years after that initial prognosis. (You can read more on our blog...)
Whatever you decide to do, rest assured, we will support you -- you know what's best for your dog, your life, your finances. etc. These decisions have no easy, black and white answers. You can only do the best you can. We've all been there, and we know how hard this is... We're here for you.
Rio's momma, Micki
~ ~ Rio ~ ~ |
Hi there...So sorry about your pups diagosis. My greyhound, tamalee, has had a recurring fibrosarcoma on her rearend...no way to do an amputation due to the location of it..She had the lump removed 3 times in a year, and the darn thing always came back...Fibro's are hard to get rid of as they "tenacle" out.. When she started with yet another lump only 2 months after her last removal, I sought out a holistic vet...He started her on cellular forte IP6, and green tea, and something called auto nosode.(google this)..It is like a drug that is made from her cancer cells to help fight it...It was made using her urine, and blood, and some other things...her tumors have shrunk! Now, I don't know how long it will work, but I know so far, it has...
My advice is check with an oncologist, but also check with a holistic vet...Both may help you decide what to do, and possibly give you extra time with your baby! I will keep you in prayer...I know how very very hard this is...
I'm so sorry to hear that you are going through this.
Our 5 year old doberman, Spencer, was diagnosed with a grade 3 fibrosarcoma in August 2011 and had his leg amputated a week later. His tumor was large; but they were able to get everything by going just past his scapula. His lymph nodes did come back clean, so between that and doing 15 weeks of chemo we had hoped that he had beat it. But, just about a week after finishing his chemo he hurt another leg. While they were doing x-rays they went ahead and checked his lungs. His leg was fine; but the cancer was in his lungs. At this point we are doing more chemo just in hopes of buying him more time and it seems to be working.
Through all of this, I have constantly had to adapt my thinking. At first, the thought of amputation seemed unbearable; but when they told me he had NO chance without it, and when I looked at him and that he didn't seem sick... well, I was a-ok with doing the amputation just one week after finding the tumor. And I haven't regretted it for a second. His tumor was growing so fast that they estimated it might have broken through is skin in as little as 2 weeks.
Next was the thought of chemo. At first I just wasn't sure. But then the oncologist told me that if Spencer's tumor had been a grade 1 or 2 we could assume that the amputation had cured him (since the lymph nodes were clean). But since Spencer's was grade 3, we had to assume it had spread at the cellular level. He gave Spencer a few months of quality life with no chemo. 6 months to possible cure with chemo. I thought about it for a bit and realized that if there was a chance, I had to do it. So we did the 15 weeks of chemo. And through it Spencer did great.
The oncologist even thought that it was likely that Spencer was cured. He planned to followup with chest x-rays 8 weeks after finishing the chemo. But then we found out almost right away it was in his lungs. This time they told us again, probably about 2 months with how aggressive this is. Trying a different chemo might buy him 6+ months. Since I now knew that Spencer does well on chemo, I decided to go with it.
At this point, we are just over 6 months past finding the tumor. It just hit me that today is his 6 month "ampuversary"! And if you hadn't seen his x-rays, you wouldn't even know he is sick. Last week the oncologist said that he still can't even hear the cancer in Spencer's lungs.
So... there can be time after a diagnosis of aggressive fibrosarcoma. It is depressing to read all of the information online. And it can be depressing when I think about him not being here in the future for things; but he sure is enjoying life now. He has never missed his leg. While chemo isn't his favorite thing to do, he has made it through each visit with minimal side effects.
If I were you, I'd definitely go see an oncologist and get a real feel for what you are looking at. good luck!!
Jac and Angel Spencer. Spencer was 5.25 years old. He fought a grade 3 fibrosarcoma, started on his shoulder. Left front leg amputated in August 2011. 15 weeks of chemo finished 12/22/11 (mytox and adria). Lung mets found on x-rays 12/28/11. Started carboplatin 1/6/12. Went to Heaven on 2/27/12. I miss him like crazy every day. See his blog here: http://spencer.tripawds.com/
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