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I just now saw your post. I'm sure everything will be fine. We picked Rosco the afternoon of the surgery. He walked out and actually jumped into the car! He didn't even realize he was missing a leg. They get so used to limping and compensating, that they are much better off without the troublesome leg! Now, he is 9 months post amp today! He is doing great and runs with his sister everywhere! You can see my post of him on Facebook with my husband running in his first agility competition. He had a blast! Good Luck!!! And try not to worry too much.
I just got off the phone with my vet, she's ready to go but knew I left several messages for her to call me first before she starts.
I asked her about the partial vs, full amputation, citing many of the concerns and experiences mentioned here in some of the threads that someone mentioned. She says that she does a "big wrap" of muscles around the stump so that there's no protrusion, no muscle wasting away, etc. She said that she has done the surgery in this manner many times and has never had a patient come back with problems within 5 years or so, which we all know Zoey will never see.
Thanks to what I read here, I asked her that someone trims all the hair between Zoey's remaining paws to help her with traction . I also asked her to go ahead and shave/trim all hair on her belly and to give her a sanitary trim as well. I figure that it's an opportunity to help Zoey be as comfy as possible while she's recovering.
In case this helps anyone else, I went out to Lowe's and Costco today for non-slip flooring options and to find some type of flat bedding for her besides my son's temperpedic topper that I was going to cut up!
At lowes I found a large (3ft by 5ft) slip resistant foam anti-fatigue mat for $22. It covers a large part of the room (with tile floors) that she'll be recovering in this next few days. The rest of the floor is covered with runners. At Costco I found a huge "Hide-A-Mat" for $59. It'll be perfect as a nice flat, but comfy, bed for her. It unfolds to 77inches by 36inches so I'll probably cut it into sections. It's about 3 1/2 inches high.
Thanks for letting me ramble. Can't wait to see her.
That's great ......you are proceeding with a plan to help Zoey!! You armed yourself with knowledge and that, in itself, is so empowering!!
We're all here for you and she'll do so great:-)
Sally and Happy Hannah
Happy Hannah had a glorious additional bonus time of over one yr & two months after amp for osteo! She made me laugh everyday! Joined April's Angels after send off meal of steak, ice cream, M&Ms & deer poop!
We're thinking of you and Zoey--good luck and huge hugs to both of you!! Please keep us updated.
Joan and Lily
Our beautiful Lily was diagnosed with osteosarcoma in her front leg on 12/14/11 at age 8 and had amp on 12/16/11. She completed 5 rounds of carbo. She was so brave and kicked cancer's butt daily! She lived life fully for 4 years, 3 months, and 15 days after her amp. My angel is a warrior princess. I miss her so much.
Sorry I'm late to the pawty, but I wanted to welcome you!
I was the one who said the best comeback to doubters was: "I promise you that if you get cancer, I won't euthanize you. I hope you promise me the same thing." Dealing with people like that is tiring. Choose carefully (as much as you can) who you surround yourself with while Zoey is recovering. Most of our dogs (and cats) end up being their own best public relations after they're all better. Nothing converts a heathen faster than watching their own dog be outrun by a tripawd! And yeah, it happens. Even if it doesn't, there is that happy tail and smiling face that sells.
Good thinking ahead on the hair trim for Zoey. We used to have a Collie (Sadie) who surely benefited from summer hair trims. The sanitary trim will help you immensely as you care for her. Even if she doesn't need it, you won't worry about her. You might want to wait on the cooling pad to see just what Zoey needs and wants down the road. I don't know where you live to know how hot it might get. Cooling pads are nice, if your dog will use them (I recently bought one for my quadpawd and she's terrified of it).
Let us know how things are going. And Erica is right--you can come to chat most any time of any day and you'll find at least her there. She doesn't sleep. The rest of us are there off and on.
Shari
From abandoned puppy to Tripawd Warrior Dude, Dakota became one of the 2011 February Furballs due to STS. Our incredibly sweet friend lived with grace and dignity till he impulsively raced over the Bridge on 12-15-12.
Dakota's thoughtful and erudite blog is at http://shari.tr.....pawds.com/
She's not doing well. I've heard from the vet several times since zoey came out of surgery. She said that she's not responding to the pain relief. She said that it's not the surgical site - she can press on that and get no response, She said it's like every pain transmitter in her body is firing all at once.
I'm horrified at what she's going through. The vet is staying with her and monitoring and adjusting her pain meds. She said she'll call back in two more hours. If zoey is still not doing well, I'm going to ask her to euthanize her. What a horrible way to go - in awful pain, in a strange place, abandoned by her family.
Hang on a sec--euthanizing right after surgery seems a tad hasty to me. Zoey is your dog, but try to think carefully about short-term pain vs long-term gain.
What does the vet say about this? In reality, a dog can be totally sedated to deal with that kind of pain. If her pain receptors are messed up and misfiring, maybe she needs some serious sedation till things calm down for her. If this were my dog, I think I would be asking for some serious deep sedation and maybe a Fentanyl patch. I am not a vet and cannot advise you, but I do know I personally would ask about that.
We do have a forum here, Ask a Vet, where members who are veterinarians can give advice. I think that would be the best next step, if you want to post your question there. One of the vets often comes in to chat in the evenings. If you tell me you want to come to chat and see if she can help, I will send her a private message and ask if she can be there tonight. I don't know if she can, but I will try that if you will be able to hold off on a big decision like that and try to chat with her.
Again, Zoey is your dog, but I would hate for you to make a decision that you cannot back away from before knowing that's the only option.
Shari
From abandoned puppy to Tripawd Warrior Dude, Dakota became one of the 2011 February Furballs due to STS. Our incredibly sweet friend lived with grace and dignity till he impulsively raced over the Bridge on 12-15-12.
Dakota's thoughtful and erudite blog is at http://shari.tr.....pawds.com/
Also, some dogs just flat out do terribly on some pain meds. We have one of those--crazed, raging, yowling, pacing, panting, eye-rolling...and overall in total distress. It is horrible, and heart-wrenching, and to hear it, you'd think it was torture. But it PASSES--and it's largely psych/neuro, I think. (And now only happens when we need very strong meds--which this amp was the first time in forever we had to do it).
From all the people I know who get "morphine crazies" (myself included)...while it sounds bad to others, the person struggling actually remembers very little. My dad, for example, has terrible reactions to morphine and some other meds. He was in the ICU burn unit, and for several days, it was insane...but later, he didn't remember it at all. Much harder for US, than for him (well, that part, anyway).
Like Shari said...zoey is your dog, but I'd definitely give it some time.
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ETA: I just noticed your first post where you mentioned zoey is a collie. Collies have a high predominance of MDR1 mutation, which can caused increased sensitvity to a bunch of different drugs. I am sure your vet and you are both aware of this, but it is something to account for.
"Let us think the unthinkable, let us do the undoable, let us prepare to grapple with the ineffable itself, and see if we may not eff it after all."
-Douglas Adams, Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency
"May I recommend serenity to you? A life that is burdened with expectations is a heavy life. Its fruit is sorrow and disappointment. Learn to be one with the joy of the moment."
-Douglas Adams, The Long Dark Tea-Time of the Soul
Oh, my, I am so sorry to read this. Maybe it would be worthwhile to pick her up and take her to an emergency vet for a second opinion? The one thing that I learned through this journey was that vets are so very different from one another and what one vet thinks is terribly serious (maybe just because they haven't had a lot of experience with it) may seem totally different to another vet with different experiences. For example, there are a lot of doctors out there that went to school a long time ago when the mindset was that animals don't feel pain the same as humans. We have even seen a few new members on this site who were sent home with no pain meds at all. Most newer vets or ones that have really kept up with their continuing education have the benefit of more recent studies and are more aware of the newer meds. Gabapentin is a pain pill that works by blocking the nerve sensations and is widely used now after amputations. However, a few people have actually had to ask their vet for it (and came back to say how glad they were).
One other thought is that some dogs don't react well when coming out of anesthesia. We were warned that Zeus possibly would cry/whimper/moan and that it was not pain at all, but rather the way the anesthesia affects their nervous system.
Obviously, we are not vets. Nor are we there with your dog to see exactly what your vet is seeing. But, in your shoes I would want to make a very informed decision before proceeding with such a permanent thing as euthanasia. You wouldn't have made the decision to amputate if you didn't have great love and devotion to your dog and you wouldn't have joined this site if you weren't concerned with educating yourself. Those things tell me that you truly care for your dog. Just don't make any rash decisions that you may regret later! Best of luck...
Lisa
Zeus was a Husky mix diagnosed with Osteosarcoma at age 11. A visible lung met and suspicious spot on his liver meant a poor prognosis-six weeks was our vet's best guess. We decided to fight for our boy and his right front leg was amputated on 12/1/11. We did six rounds of chemo, changed his diet and spoiled him completely rotten. We were blessed with 10 great months after diagnosis. Against the odds, the lung met remained a single met and grew very little over those months. A wonderful furbaby with the most gentle spirit, he fought with a strength that we never imagined he possessed. We have no regrets...
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Hi there. There is a sEnse of urgency with which I feel I must welcome, introduced myself, and beg you to reconsider. I must urge you to not lose hope too early. I know that it may seem that zoey is not responding to pain meds or the recent surgery, but euthaniZing her without giving her ample time to respond could be premature. Think about it. You made a difficult decision to amputate, so now you must give her a fair shot at life as an amputee. Everything in recovery isn't always roses, and there may be bumps in the road, but tweaking pain meds and giving her some time can lead to a recovery and a new lease on life as a Tripawd. Don't let others' opinions sway you. Go with your gut, but stay strong in your convictions to give her a fighting chance. I'll pray for her recovery. Best wishes.
Maricela and Spirit Bruno
Maricela and Spirit Bruno
I did mean to mention the Collie issues, too. From having one, I know they can have some unusual reactions and responses to all sorts of things. Thanks, Sam's mama.
The morphine mania is another consideration. We had one dog put on morphine after a huge biopsy and I thought she had lost her mind. From outward appearances, she was in tremendous distress. Pacing, panting, yowling, howling, whining. The yowling was awful. She was put on the morphine by the surgeon but our family vet took her off when I called him in tears. He told me he never uses morphine because of the side effects. She did great on Deramaxx and Tramadol.
Shari
From abandoned puppy to Tripawd Warrior Dude, Dakota became one of the 2011 February Furballs due to STS. Our incredibly sweet friend lived with grace and dignity till he impulsively raced over the Bridge on 12-15-12.
Dakota's thoughtful and erudite blog is at http://shari.tr.....pawds.com/
Thank you, a million times, thank you. This vet is always ahead of the curve. Very aggressive and progressive when it comes to pain. Even with my (rescued) guinea pigs ( I joke that I sent her daughter through college with the surgeries and procedures from my pigs). From what she described, it does sound like panting. I will text her about the herding thing, but surely she knows that.
Thank you for talking me off the ledge, so to speak. I promise I am a sensible person, not prone to hysterics!
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