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4yo Great Dane - Osteosarcoma distal left radius - aggressive - amputation recommended? I'm not sure!
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15 January 2015 - 1:24 pm
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Oh gosh!!! Small world!!! What are the odds of Duke and Tippy at the vet at the same time....strangers, yet knowing each other from a connected loving soul standpoint!!

Have to run to work....will check in later tonight!!!

VEE AND TIPPY...KRISTY, TONY AND DUKE........Wrapping you all up in a gigantic group hug from the Tripawd Universe!!!!

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Sally and Alumni Happy Hannah and Merry Myrtle too!

Happy Hannah had a glorious additional bonus time of over one yr & two months after amp for osteo! She made me laugh everyday! Joined April's Angels after send off meal of steak, ice cream, M&Ms & deer poop!

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Hey Vee and everyone

Great to hear your second opinion has given you some certainty about what is best for Tippy.  Keep me posted. I can not believe both our dog-kids were diagnosed at SASH in the same week.  I rarely see another great dane anywhere. Let alone both getting the dreadful news all at the same time.

We have delayed Duke's vet visit today due to him not eating and not wanting more stress on his body with Chemo...not sure if we are affecting his life outcomes with a visit next week to start Chemo

I have tried every version of Chicken - chicken sausages, woolies Roast, steamed and grilled - nothing

Cheese, tinned salmon, tinned dog food, all nothing.  I have squeezed a few tablespoons of chicken and veg baby food in his mouth to get him some nutrients.... but I am super worried.

I will talk to the vet about options for pain management and eating.... is Tippy back eating again?

On the positive, Duke seems more alert and now insists on dragging Tony and I around the backyard whilst he looks for the perfect wee spot...we must look quite a sight. Although he is taking most of his weight now we are still using the sling so he does not fall over...

He is also drinking and weeing well.  So that is good

The wound site looks clean and the heat is gone today....though they recommend now starting with heat packs...not too sure about that.

And now he sleeps so all moving forward....  laughing

Thanks as always Kirsty and Duke

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15 January 2015 - 7:42 pm
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KRISTY, TONY AND HANDSOME DUKE!! Glad you're seeing Duke's attitude starting to ahow up a little bit! YAY. DUKE!!! He's a BIG dog and is very early in recovery from a .MAJOR surgery! Not eating happens with many dogs the first several days...and then some. Kudos to you for trying so many tasty ans stinky foods!!

Dont know if Duke likes riding in the car or if he isnup fornit, but going thru a drive thru for a cheeseburger and fries does wonders sometimes! If he's not up for the ride, bring him one home, put on a plate...really...act like you are eating it then offer it to him on your plate! Let me know if the works.

As far as delaying chemo, that should not make any difference whatsoever! The majority of vets here still do the first chemo approximately two weeks out. Some are doing it sooner. I didnt do Happy Hannah's first carboplatin treatment until the third week. She was having a slower recovery than "others" and I just didn't feel like she was feeling well enough to donit at two weeks. If Duke is having eating issues I absolutely woukd wait until he gets his appetite back!!! Sometimes chemo can cause a little nausea and lack of appetite for a day or two, so it makes sense to get him eating better first!!

Hang in there!! Duke IS making improvement!!!

TIPPY AND VEE!!! I know this is such a stressful time, but you and Tippy have decided on a plan....you've done your research.....you've done a thoughtful and heartfelt assessment of Tippy's personality and everything that makes her be Tippy! You know her so well and it's very mportant to factor who she is into the equation.

Sure, we all "hope" for a cure or a miracle at first...and that's not right or wrong! You are to be commended for your commitment to Tippy's QUALITY and keeping that as your focus! That keeps you in the moment...that keels you focused on the splendor of each sacred second together. Nice job Vee!

Looking forward to updates and cheering Tippy and Duke on!!!! I'm no help i n posting pictures...it took months before I figured out the avatar. And to state the obvious, I can barely type!! But we would LOVE to see pictures of these magnificent Great Danes! Take lots and lots of pictures!!

GROUP HUG!!!!!!!!! ((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((HUG)))))))))))))))))))))))))))

Sally and Alumni Happy Hannah and Merry Myrtle too!

Happy Hannah had a glorious additional bonus time of over one yr & two months after amp for osteo! She made me laugh everyday! Joined April's Angels after send off meal of steak, ice cream, M&Ms & deer poop!

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15 January 2015 - 7:45 pm
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Hey Kirsty and Tony,

The odds that our Dane-babies should have met under these circumstances do seem pretty long!  It really sucks that they should have met that way.  Would have infinitely preferred that they met down at the beach at Bayview and that they were not diagnosed with this at allsad

Why don't you just send an email through to Veronika or Penny Brown at SASH and ask them about the meds and Duke's refusal to eat?  Just send the email through to info@sashvets.com and they'll redirect it to them.  They've answered my emails pretty quickly.  I don't know how much pain Duke will be in post-op, but now that the site of the primary tumor is gone, I imagine he should be able to weaned off meds fairly soon?  It might be worth trying the codeine?  I can only tell you that Tippy isn't too drowsy on codeine, and she engages with us, swims, and (so far) it seems to be helping with the pain as well.  If the Fentanyl patches are off, Duke should be getting less drowsy and then you have a chance to get him moving more as well.  That's also crucial. Getting the guts moving and getting his appetite up.  Tippy won't each much during the day, but once we get home from a swim at Bayview, she always eats a little.  She is not eating anywhere near what she used to - but that's to be expected.  Her bowel movements are tiny, but at least I know something is passing through.  I wish I had better advice for you!  

I really feel for you.  I know how painful it is to see them struggling like this.  But everyone on here seems to be saying that after the initial few weeks of post-op pain and readjustment, things do get easier.  I am sure Duke will pull through this.  At least he's drinking - thank goodness! - and as you say it's a good sign that he's pulling you guys around the garden.  I personally saw how he led 3 nursing attendants on a merry dance and, in the end, did his thing at the time and place of his choosing - not theirs!  He'll get his appetite back guys - but, like most Danes, he can't be pushed or cajoled, he'll know when he's ready to eat and then he'll lose no time in letting you know.  I'm sure he must still be in shock with it all.  It will get better.  It has to, right?

Don't worry so much about long-term outcomes now.  I think you're doing the right thing in delaying the chemo.  He needs time to adjust before you re-traumatise him again with more trips to SASH and more chemicals.  Being at home with you guys is the best therapy he can get right now.  Just hang in there.  Don't lose heart - I know it is easier said than done.  Every time Tippy rejects another freshly prepared meal, I don't know whether to cry or hurl it at the wall.  And I find I can't stop blaming myself for her condition and for the fact that I didn't spot the signs sooner.  And I hate that I can't make her feel better or give her what she needs so that she can feel herself and feel reassured and at least eat and relax a little.  I suspect we all go through the same emotions.  But despite all that, we are still their main source of comfort and strength.  That's what gets me through each day now.  Knowing that, even though I get things wrong, I am here for her and that I'm battling this disease with her to the end.

Lots of hugs to you and Duke,

Vee

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15 January 2015 - 8:27 pm
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SALLY - I just LOVE your positivity!!  Your posts always make me smile - and, right now, that's saying something!!  Thank you with all my heart for your words of encouragement - they are so very appreciated.  It is easier knowing that I have a plan now.  And that I know why I am choosing this path.  I will be sure to let you know how it progresses.

Lots of love

Vee

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15 January 2015 - 8:37 pm
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Awww thanks Vee! I am just a reflection of the generosity of spirit everyone here has shown me! way-cool

I love that you said you know WHY you are choosing this path! Always remember that...it's because of that soul deep connection you jave with Tippy and the certain of knowing what "quality" means to her!

And I thank you for allowing us all to share this journey with you and get to know your amazing Tippy!!!
I meant to tell you earlier...I had a Parakeet for years and years named Tippy! I think thats a good omen!!

And I LOVE The Little River Band!!! Now, depending on your age..you may be saing.."Who?"clap

Happy Hannah had a glorious additional bonus time of over one yr & two months after amp for osteo! She made me laugh everyday! Joined April's Angels after send off meal of steak, ice cream, M&Ms & deer poop!

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15 January 2015 - 10:37 pm
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Hey everyone,

Kirsty and Tony - so that was Duke at SASH!  He's an amazing boy.  So stunningly beautiful and all sweetness. 
Vee

WOW! I can't believe you two are working with the same clinic. Crazy small world!

Vee, I'm sorry Tippy isn't an amputation candidate but never forget that you are absolutely giving Tippy the best possible life she can have given these heartbreaking circumstances and we support you all the way as you make her as comfortable as possible. Not everyone who joins this community goes through with amputation and anyone who is coping with this disease is absolutely valued and needed here, we aim to share all experiences including palliation, so please be sure to keep us posted about Tippy's fight OK?

Many hugs coming your way.

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I have lurked, but this is my first post.  My gorgeous boy, Butler,  a 7 yr old Vizsla,had a similar story, and his love in life is swimming and chasing/catching frisbees.  He was not walking on 3 legs when we made our decision, but he was normally so spry and strong that I wanted to give him the best chance.  I was not at all certain it was the right decision, and let's face it, it's an awful decision to make.

His surgery was at the beginning of November, and he apparently stood up right away.  He hopped (dragged the technician, actually) out of the hospital the next night.  3.5 weeks after surgery (1.5 weeks after his first chemo), he caught his first frisbee.  Airborne and everything.  I broke down and cried, because I know that even if we probably can't cure him, we have given him better quality of life.  Until he is through chemo, I won't take him to the beach, but he sails down the back steps, chases/catches frisbees, and jumps onto beds (awesome) and couches.  I never would have imagined how well he would do.  

Not meant to change your mind, but I wanted to post Butler's story since there are some similarities.  I wish you all the very best.  Smooch Tippy for us.   :)  

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SALLY - Little river band is a blast from the past!  I'm 42, so I do have vague recollections of them from the 70s ;-)  Glad to know we both have a love for "Tippys" - my Tippy found her name thanks to the white tip at the end of her tail.  She is black with white markings on her chest and feet - but the white-tipped tail was so cute and distinctive when she was a pup, that the name just naturally followed big-grin  If I ever figure out how to start a blog on this site (honestly, the instructions keep leading me round in circles!) I'll be sure to post lots of pics.

 

JERRY - thanks so much for saying that, despite not opting for amputation, Tippy can remain an honorary tripawd!  There's no doubt we feel very much among like-minded friends here.  It's hard to share these emotions with most people you interact with in life.  At the beach yesterday, two men were asking if Tippy had an injury because of her swollen leg and limp - I went through the story and when I said she was having radiotherapy next week, they both looked at me like I was crazy.  "But it's a dog!", one of them said.  There was nothing more to say, really.  How do you explain to people that it's not 'just a dog' - but a wonderful being who enriches your life in so many ways, everyday?

Love to all,

Vee.

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16 January 2015 - 9:21 am
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I have lurked, but this is my first post... 

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Done - thank you!

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Welcome aboard Butler's Mom!

Thank you for sharing your story here.  You might consider starting your own thread and give Butler a proper introduction big-grin

 

Karen and Spirit Maggie

Tri-pug Maggie survived a 4.5 year mast cell cancer battle only to be lost to oral melanoma.

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Butler's Mom said
I have lurked, but this is my first post.  My gorgeous boy, Butler,  a 7 yr old Vizsla,had a similar story, and his love in life is swimming and chasing/catching frisbees.  He was not walking on 3 legs when we made our decision, but he was normally so spry and strong that I wanted to give him the best chance.  I was not at all certain it was the right decision, and let's face it, it's an awful decision to make.

His surgery was at the beginning of November, and he apparently stood up right away.  He hopped (dragged the technician, actually) out of the hospital the next night.  3.5 weeks after surgery (1.5 weeks after his first chemo), he caught his first frisbee.  Airborne and everything.  I broke down and cried, because I know that even if we probably can't cure him, we have given him better quality of life.  Until he is through chemo, I won't take him to the beach, but he sails down the back steps, chases/catches frisbees, and jumps onto beds (awesome) and couches.  I never would have imagined how well he would do.  

Not meant to change your mind, but I wanted to post Butler's story since there are some similarities.  I wish you all the very best.  Smooch Tippy for us.   :)  

Hi Butler's Mom - thanks for sharing Butler's awesome story.  I am so happy that your boy took to his new tripawd life with such gusto!  Kudos to him - and to you, for enabling him to have this wonderful second lease on life.  Hugs to you all!  

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Hey all

wow the roller coaster of recovery. We had a great day yesterday getting up every 4 hours or so for a drink and pee sleeping like a baby in between. Took some chicken sausage so all moving forward. Then last night panting agitated up every hour demanding to go out wandering the backyard with Tony and I beside ourselves with how tired he was getting and huffing and puffing most outings all for nothing .....with a drink every hour and a pee every two hours and not a lot of sleeping in between.... It is hard to know with all the drug side effects, pain what is going on. He is a bit more settled again this morning. But Tony and I have our eyeballs hanging out.....

though he did eat a bit of his favourite treat - cabanossi this morning ....so more food going in, even if it is a handful.

not sure if we should be worried or just part of the ride.... 

from a tired and anxious Kirsty

Thanks as always Kirsty and Duke

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Hey Kirsty

Yeah, don't underestimate the affect those pain meds will have on him. We called Lily "Zombie Dane" as she fluctuated between agitation like you described and just isolating herself from us (very unusual) and binge napping. If you have any concerns, never hesitate to call your doc but expect some unusual behavior until he comes off the meds. I convinced myself that I had irreparably damaged Lily's personality with the amputation and was absolutely beside myself about it. But once we took her off the meds and she had time to purge it from her system, there she was! Our old Lily was back!

Yeah for getting him to eat! Celebrate those small milestones!

-Kerry

Lily the Great Dane (she was actually a lot more than just "Great") joined our family as an ornery puppy on December 20, 2005 and changed our lives forever. She was diagnosed with osteosarcoma in early May of 2014 and her right rear leg was amputated on May 8, 2014. She sailed through 5 rounds of Carboplatin and 15 weeks of Pallladia. She hopped on 3 legs like she was born to it and continued to fight cancer with grace, valor and an abundant sense of humor...and always a *giant* smile on her face. Lily had two small nodules on her lungs but was brought short by a brain tumor in late December, 2014. Lily earned her wings on December 28, 2014 and we miss her terribly every day. http://lilyt.tripawds.com

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