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29 December 2016 - 6:58 am
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How long did it take before your tripawd was comfortable going up a whole set of stairs? We have a two story house, and our bedroom is upstairs. So far we have been really assisting Mosby up the stairs with his harness, in part because we're trying to limit his exertions, but also because he really struggles with more than about 3-4 steps. It almost seems like he just has the strategy wrong - like he's trying to pull himself up with his front legs. Just wondering how long it typically takes for a tripawd to get their confidence back on stairs or if there is anything I can do to help him learn to negotiate them.

Also -- Mosby typically attends daycare 5x week because my husband and I both work full time and there's no way we'd leave him at home all day. We've been shifting our schedules (and my mom has been here this week) to accommodate Mosby so far, but I was wondering how many folks send their tripawds to daycare, and when they felt their dog was ready. We are lucky to have a great place to take him - they love him and will restrict his activity if they need to, but I think playing in limited amounts would be good rehab plus great for him to be able to socialize. If you do take your dog to daycare, do you take a few days off for chemo recovery? I am also concerned that maybe chemo could affect his immune system and maybe daycare wouldn't be the best place for him. We are looking into pet sitters, as well, and may work pet sitters into his schedule if he can't go to daycare.

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29 December 2016 - 7:25 am
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Great questions. To be perfectly frank, it is WAAAAAAY too early for stairs. Think of it as someone who had their leg amputated and then went hiking the Apalachian Trail the next week. I mean you could do it but why? As much as a star and character Mosby is, he needs rest, recovery, and rehab. Now, of course, he will try anything and try to do anything because he is a star!!! You have to set limits. Doggy gates and carry him up and down until sutures are out.  And then try smaller numbers of stairs after his recovery when he is in rehab. Stairs put tremendous stress on legs going up and down depending on front or rear amp. SLOW down Mosby! You have years ahead of you!!!

As for doggy daycare, that is fantastic that he goes 5 days a week. Many vets recommend that you not send them during chemo due to immune suppression issues AND toxic waste of passing of chemo drugs. Your vets would certainly be able to help out with that. If you could get a sitter, that may be the way to go until chemo is completed. 

Honestly, Mosby is one lucky dog and sounds as if he is doing very, very well!!! Congrats, hugs, and PyrPaws all around!!!

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29 December 2016 - 7:34 am
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What's the traction like on your stairs? Mine are wood, which was far too slippery, so I added pieces of carpet. Meg went up and down almost immediately, but she had been very one-sided for a long time pre-amp, so the adjustment was much less for her than it is for many dogs. The time it takes seems to vary greatly but almost all dogs get there in the end. As a rear amp, going up will be harder for Mosby than going down. Core strengthening exercises, and also exercises aimed at strengthening his remaining legs will all help greatly.

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29 December 2016 - 7:44 am
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Pofi was an anomaly when it comes to stairs, as his long undiagnosed Nerve Sheath Tumor weakened that leg considerably and he simply had stopped using it.  He was a virtual Tripawd long before becoming an actual one.  So he adapted to stairs very quickly.  He negotiated them with more care and I could always see him thinking about it, but he was, I confess climbing to second floor with little or no assistance from the night he came home.  Somewhere, there is a great Jerry video about stairs, but I think you just want to help him build his core strength and confidence and it will come in a few weeks.  Still early days.

On daycare, Pofi was a daycare drop out, so no experience to share.  But we did go back to dog park at 2 weeks post amp and continued every weekend till he was immobilized by the cancer's return.  I would say at least 2 weeks and maybe 3 or more just till you are sure he is really well healed (including the traumatized tissues inside of him you can't see) because you don't want him jostled and falling and bruising himself.  And when he does go back, they should really perhaps limit his interaction time with the others so he doesn't overdue it.

Lisa, Minneapolis

On October 27, 2016, nearly 6 months after amputation, and 18 months since his cancer likely started, we lost Pofi to a recurrence of Soft Tissue Sarcoma in his spine quite suddenly.  His canine sister also succumbed to cancer on March 1, 2019 - we lavished her with our love in the interim, but life was never quite the same without her only real canine friend. Cliff kitty had to leave us, too, suddenly, in August 2019. Lucia kitty grieved all these losses, but helped us welcome two new Lurchers into our home and our lives, Shae and Barley.

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29 December 2016 - 11:12 am
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Isa is a senior tripawd with a bad back and at almost six months post-amp still can't/won't go upstairs. I finally called "uncle" a little more than a month ago and moved the bed downstairs. I will say she "claims" that she can't handle the three steps to the garage without help but manages them just fine when it suits her. I don't know Mosby's timeline/story but stairs are a challenge for many. Pofi was most certainly a much-loved anomaly!

I didn't take Isa back to daycare until we were completely done with chemo and therefore well healed but that was as much about me being a giant chicken as anything. She goes now every couple of weeks and plays when she wants and rests when she needs to. I agree with the others about not during chemo and definitely not until the surgery site is well-healed. Makes me cringe just thinking about getting bumped, jostled, etc. Is there an emoji for the cold shudders?

Good luck and good health. I'm glad you found us!

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29 December 2016 - 11:27 am
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I"m glad you asked these questions! 

First, yep, one week or so out of surgery is waaaay too soon to do steps alone. That's why the Webmaster is indispensable when you you have stairs. All dogs recover at different paces but if you want to ensure he's not overdoing it, I would keep assisting him for at least another month. I may be overprotective but that's what we did for Jerry and Wyatt Ray .

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It almost seems like he just has the strategy wrong - like he's trying to pull himself up with his front legs.

BINGO! That's a keen observation. The reason he is doing that is because dogs have all their movement propulsion in the rear legs. From jumping to running, dogs use those back legs to move. When one is missing, that one rear leg is doing ALL the work. So yes, that's why he poops out. It's one of the biggest challenges for rear-leg amputees. Going upstairs is especially challenging, because they need that propulsion. Downstairs, you'll see in time that it's not a problem (but you should still assist, always, to avoid spills). In time you'll also see that his front limbs and chest will become really muscular, as it compensates for the lack of strength in the rear.

Don't fret though, because if you stick to a good core-strengthening exercise routine (see the Tripawds Gear blog ), he can build up his core muscles enough to help that rear leg move move move!

I was wondering how many folks send their tripawds to daycare, and when they felt their dog was ready

Sounds like you have a great staff there who will monitor his activity, that's great.

I think playing in limited amounts would be good rehab plus great for him to be able to socialize.

I don't want to be a downer on this one, but daycare interaction could be detrimental IF they allow the dogs to run around a large area all day long. It's the type of "explosive" activity (quick stops/starts, running) that rehab therapists discourage for Tripawds. Again, especially with rear leggers, that kind of activity in too many long increments could put that remaining rear leg at risk of a muscle pull or even worse, a cruciate tear, which is one of the most common injuries we see in Tripawds (front or rear). If you can do the pet sitter route for a while, or better yet, find a rehab therapy clinic you can take him to a few times a week during your work day (many will do daycare), that would so ideal. And don't forget, the Tripawds Foundation will pay for your first rehab therapy consult too!

Does all this make sense? Let us know, we're here to help!

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29 December 2016 - 12:07 pm
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Thank you all for the replies! This is all very helpful. It may sound like I'm getting ahead of myself, but having a "plan" to focus on is kind of how I operate, especially when faced with a situation like this.

To clarify, we aren't making Mosby tackle the stairs by himself. We have the webmaster with the brush guard and basically lift him up. We wouldn't do it except that our bedroom is up there, and Mosby is very routine oriented and loves his nighttime bed. And we will lift him up the stairs as long as we need to. We also assist him down the stairs and make sure he can't go down by himself (even though that is much easier for him, as a rear leg amputee, as others have said above).

We have a rehab therapist in town that's highly recommended, and I'm going to set up an appointment for Mosby as soon as he gets the "all clear" after his sutures are out, and as long as the oncologist is ok with it during chemo. The rehab place is associated with a very nice daycare in town, so I'll bet they have some "daycare" options even if it's not all day daycare in a large group. I will keep him in rehab sessions as long as it has a benefit to him and he enjoys it.

Sounds like my concerns about daycare during chemo were right. We will pretty much do everything to keep Mosby happy and healthy, whether it involves pet sitters, me working from home when I can, or bringing him into work with me some days. When he is through with chemo, it's possible he could still go back to his normal daycare, for a couple of reasons - one, he self-monitors his activity pretty well, a/k/a he's kind of lazy (ok, really lazy), which is strange since he's so fit (and also was my training partner for 5ks and half marathons - our top training distance was 11 miles). But he's been that way since I got him from a shelter almost 9 years ago. Second, his daycare will actually keep him isolated and work with us to make sure he's not playing too hard. They did that for us when we thought he had a partial ACL tear. Obviously, if we did send him back, we would monitor him closely and never push him. He just loves daycare so much, though, and I know he misses it.

Again, I'm sure it sounds like I'm getting ahead of myself - I know Mosby is just 1 week post-amputation. But having a positive plan for Mosby going forward helps our family stay positive. 🙂 He will always be allowed to take things at his own pace, and will never be forced to push himself.

Thank you all again!

Virginia



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29 December 2016 - 4:36 pm
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You're doing a great job of evaluating Mosby and knowing him so well inside and out! Sounds like in yiur "planning ahead mode" you are making sure all bases are covered! Good job!

My Happy Hannah, a rear legger, never was never able climb UP stairs. Not sayi that will be the case with Mosby, but there are some dogs like Isa and like my Happy Hannah who just aren't able to do it. Now, the stairs to my bedroom are steep and narrow (old house), but even on the outside deck with wider and not as steep stairs, she would only do .maybe one, or two and must turn back around. Fortunately, I had a ramp built for her for the outside steps and she sailed up and down thst with no problem!! She also handled going down the other outside steps with no problem!

Actuall, once at the seven month mark, she did go up the deck stairs....I bribed her with just boiled chicken fresh off the stove! It only worked once though!

So yeah, pretty much her entire bonus time of one year and two months I slept on a mattress kn the floor in my very small living room so we could sleep together, along with our pal Bodie!

Working with rehab specialist will probably help Mosby handle stairs. Just was sharing my experience, which, as you have seen, is certainly not the experience of everyone!

Hugs!

Sally and Alumni Happy Hannah and Merry Myrtle and Frankie too!

Happy Hannah had a glorious additional bonus time of over one yr & two months after amp for osteo! She made me laugh everyday! Joined April's Angels after send off meal of steak, ice cream, M&Ms & deer poop!

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