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I love the kangaroo picture of Wyatt Ray . That made me laugh!
It’s very hard to tell if Nilla is happy at all. No tail wag when we pet her or talk to her. She’ll tolerate my snuggling and cuddling but she’s not showing any reaction if I stop. She used to nuzzle me to continue scratching her ears or nose. Now if I stop she just doesn’t seem to care.
We’ve been carrying her up to our bedroom at night and I think she’s preferring that to sleeping in the xpen because we’re not seeing the odd anxious behavior anymore. She’s not really on too many dopey meds either. Just the Benadryl and tramadol twice a day. She’s been eating a little bit during the day - about two hamburgers and one chicken breast over the course of a day. She seems to prefer it when I add a little bbq sauce. But she’ll only eat if I hand feed her, and after 3/4 if the burger or breast she’ll suddenly just stop eating. She’s drinking well enough and peeing well enough, but hasn’t pooped in several days. The hopping around EXHAUSTS her. She’ll take 6-7 hops and then sit. She’s also weak getting up and can’t always straighten the good rear leg. Rough road ahead for her.
Hmm. Tramadol and Benadryl can be pretty dopey on their own, especially when combined. So that could account for the "meh" behavior she's showing, as well as the lower appetite. Being constipated could have something to do with it too. Have you tried feeding her pumpkin pulp, steamed squash, anything to help move things along? The novelty of new foods may get her eating and also move her bowels. If not, and she won't eat it, let your vet know, they can prescribe a mild laxative.
Sure, hopping around IS tiring, especially for an old gal. But this is still so early. She will get there! Is she scheduled for rehab therapy yet?
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Okay, she is eating "some", so that's good, especially considering everything shes gping through And, if I read this right, she pooped just two days ago, so no biggie at all. Ypu can still add some of Jerry's suggestions. It may still be just a poop every several days for awhile until her eating levels out.
Now, is she still on the other mdds in addition to the Benz and Tram? One of the "other" ones you ,mentioned (that started with "m") could cause lethargy.
I know it's hard to remember that this is major surgery for a "mature" gal. Just like "mature" humans, recovery is a little slower and a little harder. Continue to stay upbeat and positive, high energy and excited avput everything she does....even if it's jist eating a half a burger!.
Probably completely unrelated, but I had an older doggy who developed droopy tail virtually overnight. Wish I could remember exactly what the Vet said...maybe a nerve issue that sometimes happens with older dogs......just can't remember. You can run this by your Vet. Maybe it's even a nerve thing related to the surgery.
Has it been like this since day one from the surgery?
Extra hugs
Sally and Alumni Happy Hannah and Merry Myrtle and Frankie too!
PS...clearly Wyatt is part Kangaroo 😂
Happy Hannah had a glorious additional bonus time of over one yr & two months after amp for osteo! She made me laugh everyday! Joined April's Angels after send off meal of steak, ice cream, M&Ms & deer poop!
Any advice on helping her with stairs? Until now we have been carrying her up and down most stairs, but she is pretty unhappy about that. With sling support she can manage our front stoop cement stairs which are as wide as the stoop (about 6 feet in length). She sort of goes up and down those in a sideways manner. However, on a standard staircase (our back deck or the stairs up to our bedroom) she is very tentative and scared, even with us giving maximum support and assistance. I'm wondering if this is something we should consult a canine PT about.
The eating is also still a huge issue. Over the weekend she ate some cooked hamburger, some grilled chicken, and some bites of sliced salami and bologna. I cooked her a meatloaf with ground beef, peppers, carrots, apple, and rolled oats. She sniffed at it and turned away. Since surgery she has only wanted to eat pure protein -- she is not getting a nutritionally balanced diet with carbs and veggies. And she will only eat hand fed. I'm torn between knowing that she needs to eat, and worrying that I am creating a behavior that is going to be very hard to break.
For now, and this is just me, if the only way she'll eat is by hand feeding, then hand feed! I know it's hard not to worry about the "right" nutrition at this point, vut the fact that she IS eating some, even of straight protein, is not necessarily a bad thing st all.
A commercial food you mifht try is "Pet Fresh". It's in the refrigerator pet section 8n Whole Foods and Target. I'm sure other places carry it too,
Also, there is a great receipe we've named Meg's liver cake you might try. Someone will come behind and give you that link.
Stairs, now that's a tough one. I have an old home with very nearrow and steep stairs to my bedroom. My Hapoy Hannah could never gomup them and I ended up moving my mattress downstairs and made a corner of my little den the "bedroom" for myself and my dogs. At 125 lbs there was no way I coild carry her. She also woild just freeze if I ever tried a towel sling.
Nila is smart to be tentative on stairs right now as she's adjusting to three legs. She's still figuring it out and is still very sore. I know I asked before and apologize if you've already answered. Is she still on all the drugs you mentioned before, or jist the Tramadol now?
Yeah, my home has "gone to the dogs" and they let me liive there! My 'decor" is a dog hair theme with added sparkles of slobber here and there!😊
So I don't know if that's an optiin for you, but try a mattress downstairs for now, and maybe with some rehab, she can eventually do the stairs. As far as the back stairs, is it possible to build a ramp?
Hugs
Sally and Alumni Happy Hannah and Merry Myrtle and Frankie too!
Happy Hannah had a glorious additional bonus time of over one yr & two months after amp for osteo! She made me laugh everyday! Joined April's Angels after send off meal of steak, ice cream, M&Ms & deer poop!
Nilla is still on all of her meds (Mirtazapine, Sucralfate, Misoprostol, Benadryl, Famotidine, and Tramadol). We had cut the Tramadol to two times/day from three, and beginning tonight we're going to cut her from 50 mg 2x/day to 25 mg 2x/day. It's really difficult to tell if she's in pain -- she's very stoic -- but I'm not seeing the "in pain behaviors" we saw before the surgery, so I don't think her pain now is intense.
Sleeping on our main floor is not an option for us. I made an appointment with the PT at the vet hospital for August 8. Since it's still over a week away, it will continue to give Nilla time to get stronger and hopefully gain some confidence even on the wide stoop stairs.
I'll try a liver cake for her. I don't think she's ever really eaten liver, but at this point I'll try almost anything. We keep kosher, so I won't cook any pork products for her and I won't cook anything that combines meat and milk. Unfortunately buying kosher meat and chicken is A LOT more expensive than nonkosher food, which is one of the reasons I got frustrated that she wouldn't eat the meatloaf I cooked for her.
Really glad to hear you've made the PT appointment for her. The consult will help in many areas as well as stairs, I think you'll be so glad you went!
When you feed her, are you hiding pills in the food? Doing so will turn a dog off that food. Tramadol is bitter, so you really need to disassociate it from her main meals. I do agree that hand feeding is beneficial at times, but there is a fine line between hand feeding a sick dog and hand feeding and babying. What happens when you put the tasty home cooked food down for her? How long do you leave it on the floor before you decide to hand feed her?
One helpful thing a rehab vet told us once, is the faster you normalize your life with your dog after surgery, the faster they will recover.
Speaking of the Tramadol, are you cutting it back with your vet's guidance? We as pet parents often think we need to get our pets off the pain medication as fast as possible, but we often rush things in our eagerness to see them be healthy and strong again. Sometimes a longer course of pain meds are needed, it's not that unusual.
Here is Meg's liver cake recipe. It's more of a treats recipe so this list of Tripawds home cooking recipes have more ideas for you. I wouldn't be so concerned right now about giving her carbs and veggies, if all she wants is protein that's probably fine, as long as she is eating.
About the stairs...do you have a harness like the Ruffwear Webmaster for her? The handle on top is extremely helpful for going up and down stairs. It is a lot less intrusive on the dog's confidence than trying to aid a dog with a sling or by carrying. I think it helps them to feel that they're doing it on their own, and all you're doing is giving a little "boost" with the handle.
Tripawds Founders Jim and Rene
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Yes, the surgeon suggested that we cut back on the Tramadol. Nilla has always been a bad pill taker so we never put her pills in food she likes. Years ago I tried that with small cherry tomatoes. We would poke a hole in the tomato and hid the pill in there. She was fine with it for a short while, but once she caught on she refused tomatoes, and still to this day refuses them. Same thing with those pill-pocket things. These days I make a peanut butter ball with the meds and get it on the roof of her mouth where she has no choice but to swallow it.
When I try putting food in a dish on the floor she shows no interest in it whatsoever. We have tried leaving it out for her but she is not interested (and often my other lab will eventually eat it -- she's getting fat from Nilla's anorexia). I have a kid from our local vet coming by mid-day today to give her the sucralfate and to take her out to pee and get some exercise in the yard. I told him where to find the tupperware of burger and chicken for her, so maybe she'll eat for him a little. If she does, that also speaks to the behavioral piece of her inappetance.
Nilla has been wearing the ruffwear webmaster since she was discharged. We find that it's helpful to help her get up from a laying or seated position, and it's helpful to "steer" her to keep her going in a specific direction. It has not been helpful at all in providing rear support for her, as the straps only go around the chest and abdomen. We can guide and support her upper body with the harness, but it does nothing for rear support.
Ahaha got it! You are doing everything right as far as I can tell with the pills and feeding. See how she does this week with the reduction in Tramadol, hopefully that will be the ticket.
Thanks for the scoop on how she's using the Webmaster. Sorry I forgot you have one. For the rear end, something like the Care Lift or Custom Pet Support Suit is probably a better choice until she is stronger. I know, not what you wanted to hear, another harness. But if it's the rear that's giving her the trouble on the stairs, I think that's about your only option right now. I like the Suit because the shoulder strap will enable you to help her with your body instead of just your hands as you go up the stairs.
Tripawds Founders Jim and Rene
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We've had a little setback. Nilla developed a raw open wound at one of the lower incision sites - most likely from rubbing on the floor or grass when she is sitting. She is back on antibiotics and back to being confined to an xpen during the day. The good news is that she is off all other meds and the vet is pleased with her mobility so far. The bad news is that until the wound heals we cannot progress with any cancer treatments (steroids and/or chemo). The other issue is that Nilla is back to refusing all food. She lost 3lbs since being discharged one week ago. She will nibble a few bites of something each day (chicken, turkey, salmon, bologna, hamburger), but clearly not enough to be sustaining her. We're continuing the mirtazipine as an appetite stimulant. I have been reading online about CBD oils. We live in New York, and from I have read it appears that I can legally buy CBD oil. I haven't spoken about it with the vet yet, but from I read online most vets do not offer an opinion on it for a variety of medical and legal reasons. What has been your experience with CBD oils as an appetite stimulant? Nilla is down to 47 pounds (she should be a 65 pound lab). She is beginning to look like one of those abandoned dogs on the ASPCA commercials. Initial pathology results of the leg removed are looking promising for the lack of spread of the cancer and possibly for the MCT not being as aggressive as we first thought, which is great, but if she refuses to eat and continues to get weaker and sicker, then everything we put her through will be for nothing. Right now getting her to eat is my biggest focus and anxiety.
Sorry to hear she is having difficulties....my Dobe Nitro refused to eat for the first 7 days after surgery. We tried everything - eggs, chicken, hamburger, steak, you name it. Rotisserie chicken is pretty tasty, maybe try that? We just spooned yogurt down his throat to get his meds in. Finally, I resorted to trying his favorite treat - chicken jerky - and he ate it! So I just gave him as much as he wanted, and before long he started eating his food again.
As for CBD oil, we used it on him. For arthritis and for appetite. I also give it to my 14 year old westie for his arthritis. I ordered it online from healthyhempoil.com and got the Herbal Renewals: Blue Label High CBD Hemp Oil (150mg, 450mg, 1500mg CBD). I gave a grain of rice sized portion that I mixed in with his yogurt. The mirtazapine should help with her appetite - that is what we used when Nitro's kidney failure progressed, and it worked well.
I also spooned ice cream down his throat as a last resort. Good luck, keep us updated.
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Nitro 11 1/2 yr old Doberman; right front amp June 2014. Had 6 doses carboplatin, followed by metronomic therapy. Rocked it on 3 legs for over 3 years! My Warrior beat cancer, but couldn't beat old age. He crossed the Bridge peacefully on July 25, 2017, with dignity and on his terms. Follow his blog entitled "Doberman's journey"
"Be good, mama loves you".....run free my beautiful Warrior
What has been your experience with CBD oils as an appetite stimulant?
I don't have experience with it, others can tell you more, but these Tripawds Nutrition blog posts about medical cannabis for pets should answer many other questions you may have.
What has your vet suggested to boost her appetite?
Sorry about the infection but thank goodness it was caught early!
Tripawds Founders Jim and Rene
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The surgeon has no experience with CBD oil and could not recommend it. I reached out to our regular vet to see if he has any experience having used it and I'm waiting to hear back. In the meantime we're keeping her on the mirtazipine. It's hard to know if it's doing anything, as she'll generally eat a few bites of something new and then not want it again. Tonight's new food was corned beef - she ate about three slices.
We have had our 10yo golden girl on CBD since May, I believe it is what has kept her healthier and happier through all her treatments. She has MCT between all her toes on right paw, surgery scheduled for 8/13. I really think the oil, mushroom and DHA has kept her insides healthy with the many meds and treatments she has tried. After certain chemos she didn’t want to eat so I mixed pumpkin or wet food with her dry and for snacks frozen watermelon NO seeds. Happy tails for Nilla! Following her story is helping prepare for my sweet Marlee. Sending healing thoughts!
Ember
Good luck with Marlee's surgery. Are they removing the tumors or taking the leg? What kind of mushrooms is she on? I haven't heard anything about mushrooms.
Nilla has been on Entyce for about four days now. It is a new medication that supposedly triggers the hypothalamus to release "hunger hormone". The online reviews and anecdotals tout it as the most amazing thing to hit the market for inappetance. Unfortunately for Nilla it is not working. She is still eating absolutely nothing throughout the day, and not for lack of me frequently offering her chicken, cheese, hamburger, turkey, deli meat, ice cream, kibble, canned food, etc. Each time I have given the Entyce (it is a liquid given once per day), about 3-4 hours after taking the med, she will nibble a few bites of something. I often have to trick her into eating by having her watch my other dog eat it first. Nilla is acting like a royalty who is paranoid of being poisoned so she gets the court eater to try the food first! But I can't blame her because we are shoving pills in her mouth twice a day, so she probably doesn't trust us with regard to food.
I have a consult this afternoon with an integrative vet. I'm hoping she will prescribe CBD oil and/or something else to address the inappetance, because if Nilla doesn't eat soon I'm worried that her body will just give up from pure fatigue and lack of nutrition. The good news is that she seems to beat the cancer, and that she is navigating on three legs better.
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