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3 February 2017 - 9:34 am
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Hi,

This question is aimed not just at the vets (maybe should be posted to Anything Goes?) -- but also to any others who have an opinion/anecdote/past research.  I've done a bit of research on my own regarding when to get the new baby spayed, but I know the level of research I did on Milo trying to understand his osteosarcoma was far deeper and more passion driven than anything I could do now.  Assuming others also did the same deep dive on their babies, I'd love to hear what you have learned and experienced.

Darcy-girl is 5.5 months old now.  We're working hard on cultivating all her wonderful potential!  It was only 3 weeks between losing 10-year-old, super-chill Milo and getting baby Darcy, with all of her crazy puppy energy.  No regrets!  She was just the medicine we needed!  More importantly, we want to keep her around and cancer-free and disease free as long as possible.  Hence the question on when to spay.

We will have her spayed, but the question is at what age.  I'm definitely not going through life with a female and worrying about accidental pregnancies!  There are numerous papers about different cancer related to neutered/intact dogs, but I haven't found as much about correlations with specific age of neutering. 

Osteosarcoma risk increases for males, big dogs, fast growth, and early neutering.  I also read for the first time that early-neutering results in the growth plates NOT closing as soon, so long bones in dogs may grow taller.  Milo was neutered by the breeder before 8 weeks.  His parents were ~60 pounds.  He grew to ~75 pounds, with very long legs (could rest chin on the dinner table.)  And we know his osteosarcoma story.... sigh....  He fit the study.

For females, it's not clear if the osteosarcoma risk varies with neutering in the same way.  There is an increased risk of mammary tumors if allowed one cycle, and significantly increased risk if multiple cycles.  My first thought was spay at 6 months -- no cycles!  But the risk of hemangiosarcoma increases 5-fold with spaying (age dependency?  1 year?)  Most of the other risks/dependencies are not show stoppers, although likelihood of urinary leakage with age goes up with earlier spaying. (maybe hip displasia, maybe cruciate ligament injuries, etc)

So.... if I had another boy, I would hold off on neutering until at least 1 year, possibly 2 if I could manage the behavior.  But it's not such a clear answer for my girl.  I believe the mammary tumor risk is more prevalent (spay early), but hemangiosarcoma in heart tissue is hard to detect and not really treatable (don't spay early).

Any insights or experiences would be appreciated.  I realize most cancer is a mystery and mostly out of my control, and I realize no matter what decision I make, I'm making the best decision I can for her, which is all I can do -- just like I did with Milo.  But the more info to help with the decision is always good.  Might as well try to help any little odds I can.

Peace,

Jenifer, Milo, and Baby Darcy      

 

Virginia



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3 February 2017 - 9:57 am
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You've done a really good job of sharing some of what you've learned!! THANKS!!

With my very, very limited knowledge and "it's a crap shoot anyway" kind of thought, I opted to spay Myrtle around the two year mark. At that time I wanted to do the tummy tack thing (gastoplexy???). HA!! Best laid plans!! She just turned three and I've done neither! As you know, ANYTHING you do with a big dog is EXPENSIVE! Anyway, had to delay beyond what I wanted and may just have to go with spay first. And yes, there are less expensive " mobile clinics", etc, but it scares the heck out of me to go that route with such a big pup!

I know there's always a risk of uterine infection so I really do want to get it done shortly!!

And yes, it must be quite an...er..."adjustment" going fro. Chill Milo to Puppy Darcy!!

Love to you!

Sally and Alumni Happy Hannah and Merry Myrtle and Frankie too!

Happy Hannah had a glorious additional bonus time of over one yr & two months after amp for osteo! She made me laugh everyday! Joined April's Angels after send off meal of steak, ice cream, M&Ms & deer poop!

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3 February 2017 - 10:35 am
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I find this conversation so interesting ... as when you rescue a dog from a shelter or something ... they come to you spayed so it is really beyond your control. I guess if you got a puppy if would be different. 

That said - Shelby was spayed when I got her and she was probably about 6 - 8 months old and lived a very healthy and happy life until she got hemangiosarcoma at age 13. I hadn't even thought about the connection.

Then when I got Jasper, she was rescued from a hoarding house with many, many dogs and they promptly spayed her before putting her up for adoption. They guessed she was over a year when I rescued her. Frankly, since she was in a situation w/so many dogs, I am surprised she never had puppies! Perhaps it was her lack of a smile. 🙂 

So I am not much help but I do find this all interesting.

A girl in my office has a rottie - he is over 2 - they have no plans to neuter him at this point nor breed. 

Alison with Spirit Shelby in her heart (and little Jasper too) 

Shelby Lynne; Jack Russell/Shiba Inu mix. Proud member of the April Angels of 2014.

October 15, 2000 to April 8, 2014

Our story: Broke rear leg in June 2013 - non-conclusive results for cancer so leg was plated and pinned. Enlarged spleen in September 2013 and had it removed and was diagnosed with Hemangiosarcoma and started chemotherapy. Became a Tripawd January 8th, 2014 and definitive Hemangiosarcoma diagnosis. Three major surgeries in 7 months and Shelby took them all like a champ only to lose her battle to cancer in her brain. We had 8 amazing extra months together and no regrets. #shelbystrong #loveofmylife



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3 February 2017 - 11:35 am
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If you are able to deal with 1 heat cycle and keep her away from intact males then I would spay her a few months after her first heat.  The risk of breast cancer is still very low if they have only gone through 1 heat cycle and the dog will be more developed if you wait.  If you don't want to deal with the mess of a heat then I would ask the breeder when her females typically come into heat and spay just prior to that (often at 7-9 months of age).

Pam

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