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4.5 year old Scott just got front leg & scapula amputation - timeline?
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7 February 2023 - 10:49 pm
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Oh noooo!!! I've been away all day and just saw this. I'm so sorry! Did they have any ideas why he was so bothered by the sutures?

In the past we have had some members who had suture issues that were quite uncomfortable and caused problems. I wonder if he had any kind of wonky stitch that was constantly pulling and making him want to get at it? And if so, hopefully the new set of stitches will take care of that.

This sucks but it's temporary. You will get through this! Please keep us posted.

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8 February 2023 - 12:06 pm
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They don't have any idea. They think that he may have just been grooming himself and he did the little 'nibble' thing they do and it just went from there.

We got him home around 10:00Am this morning and he is one pissed off cat hahaha. The vets office couldn't even keep the cone on him. He have a drawstring one here at home that seems to be working for now. but he has pulled it off 2x. My husband just keeps putting it on. we ordered a different one from Amazon that should be here by Friday. Hopefully he takes to it more.

He is being extremely vocal and yowling/hissing/growling trying to get it off as I type. I wonder if it's also due to the anesthesia wearing off and freaking him out. Who knows.

They were able to bury the stitches again so he doesn't have to go in and get them removed (thankfully). But I fear it is another 2+ weeks of round-the-clock watching him to make sure he doesn't bite himself. Apparently he cannot be trusted.

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8 February 2023 - 6:28 pm
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Well thankfully he is home now and that episode is behind you. I know it seems odd to say, but all of these episodes will bring you closer together eventually. I'm sure you're not feeling it right now, but when it's behind you you will be so amazed at how you all came through this situation with your sanity intact!

You know for a lot of dogs who are too active after amputation, they get Trazadone for a touch of sedation to mellow them out. I wonder if there's anything at all that they can prescribe to help your guy stay chill and relax during the next two weeks?

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9 February 2023 - 8:35 am
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Good Morning!

After Scott calmed down and the anesthesia wore off, he has just been a sleepy, snuggly cat. He got his cone off about 5x last night but we kept it on him while he was awake. When he was eating or sleeping we took it off and he seemed to be more relaxed.

Jerry - I think you may be on to something about his old stitches bothering him because he is acting more calm this time around and the stitching looks a lot better now than it did previously. He is on Onsior until today and we are continuing the gabapenton every 6-8 hours. But he is still just a little more relaxed.

Hopefully in another two weeks this will all be behind us and we can go back to some sort of normalcy.

How do you know when internal stitches are fully healed though? because we really thought after 2wks 3 days he wouldnt be able to pry them open.

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9 February 2023 - 11:35 am
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Hey good morning! That is a pretty good report! More relaxed is a big step. I'm reallllllly hoping this did the trick for you guys, so you can all get some sleep!

I'm not sure about internal stitches, we've never had a dog get them. That's a good question for Dr. Pam in Ask a Vet.

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10 February 2023 - 1:29 pm
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Good Afternoon!

So a newish development in Scott's recovery. Last night around 10pm he started acting more withdrawn. His eyes were very dilated and he would random jump and run to a new spot in his "recovery pen". Then he would hunch down and whine a little bit. No aggression though - like the last few weeks, so that is great??!

He took the last of the Onsior at 5pm and his Gaba at 9:45. He had this behavior roughly 5-6 times from 10pm until midnight. An hour or two after he got his gaba he would kind of nod off to sleep, but it still looked like he was uncomfortable, poor guy, and would randomly jerk awake and jump away. His sutures look great! No heat, oozing, bleeding, etc. They actually look better than when the original surgeons did it. I didn't think he would be so uncomfortable after re-suturing him since he is about 2.5 weeks into full-recovery.

My husband took over for me around 1:30 and he did not experience this with him. They cuddled all night long and Scott looks better and bright eyed this morning. He stretched out and was being cute.

An hour ago though he started acting a little weird and curling in on himself (based on a photo my husband sent me; he took his Gaba around 10:30).

I called the vet, explained what is going on. She gave us some transdermal tramadol a few months back and wants us to give him 0.1mL 2x daily for the next 10 days, and give the Gaba every 6-8 hours.

I am so nervous that this Tramadol is going to create behavior changes. I don't know why I think this - I think I'm just so scared that anything we give him is going to have him in a state of scared confusion. Maybe it is the lack of sleep talking again. They won't give me anything else for him though. So at this point, this is our only shot since his next dose of Gaba isn't until 4:30-6:30.

Tomorrow, we have a cat sitter coming for 2.5 hours so my husband and I can go to an event that we had booked for 2 months. I just really hope everything is going to go okay and Scott starts feeling better.

I feel like this is such an uphill battle and we are getting defeated at every corner. Scott is such a beautiful, kind, and sweet kitty and I hate that this is what he has been dealing with for so long. It is hard not to compare recovery stories and feel slightly jealous of seeing cats getting "back to normal" ish around this time and we are back at square one.

Thank you all for reading these posts and giving advice and a sense of companionship. Tripawds is such a wonderful community that I cannot thank enough.

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11 February 2023 - 6:48 am
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Honestly I don't think you are back at square one, based on the current behavior you are describing and what it was like before. It sounds like the aggression is gone, right?

You can try the Tramadol and see what happens. If it negatively affects him you don't have to keep giving it.

Sometimes it can feel like you aren't making any progress when you are sleep deprived and feel like you are out of options. You are definitely in need of restful sleep but you aren't out of options. If this doesn't work and the behavior returns there are other things that can be done to pinpoint the cause. But don't get ahead of yourself. Go to the event, try to enjoy yourself and see what the cat sitter has to report. Let us know!

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11 February 2023 - 7:58 am
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Just catching up on all this and I'm so sorry that you've had such a rough week. 

Leaning on your vet's advice is the best way to get through when you're exhausted and don't know what to do. Follow their directions, watch for reactions or new symptoms and use that to counterbalance the part of your brain that is trying to troubleshoot the future, judge the past or compare Scott's recovery against other tripawds. Trust the professionals and let yourself off the hook for a bit if you can, though I know that's hard.

Recovery times are different for everyone. Lu's recovery took months because of the other health issues that cropped up after the surgery. There were a lot of things that other tripawds could do that she didn't have a chance to even learn until later. seeing other peoples' cats jump back super fast made me feel like there was something I was doing wrong. The choice to amputate carried such incredible sadness and guilt for me that once it was made my brain happily converted that into taking every awful thing that happened afterwards as a consequence of this thing I did to my cat that I was personally responsible for.

It felt like it wasn't going to end, and I felt like I couldn't leave her alone for a minute, I couldn't sleep, was just hyped up on adrenaline and stress all the time. There were times when I felt like the only way I could keep her alive was through force of will. It was awful. I had to recover from the trauma like she did, and in a lot of ways she bounced back faster, but it did get better.

Each cat is different, and Scott needs a bit more time to get comfortable. You're doing such a good job making sure he has what he needs, don't forget that you're in this scenario too and need care. Getting out for a few hours for something fun is a great idea, and a sitter will give you peace of mind, even if it doesn't seem like it now. 

As frightening as coming home to his suteres being open must have been, because that happened a major issue got addressed that's going to make his recovery going forward easier. Trust your doctor. Take it day by day. Write down the wins. And be gentle with yourself, because you're doing great even if it may not feel that way.

Senior trikitty Luanne had a right forepaw removed in May of 2022 and is still going strong! Here's our story.

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11 February 2023 - 10:53 am
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Hi Tanja!

I'm sorry things got rough again but I agree with Jerry- I don't think you're back at square one. While he did show signs of being upset the other night, what you described seemed less severe than what Scott was going through earlier. I wonder if Scott was experiencing phantom pain that night- I'm certainly learning what Jelli's signs are for that type of pain.

As for stressing over how "behind" in recovery Scott is compared to other cats- don't! As Leaux said, every cat it different! While Jelli's amputation surgery recovery has been going well, her recovery/treatment for Inflammatory Bowel Disease was awful. She was on the strongest dose of steroid the vet felt comfortable giving, going in for a weekly B12 shot and was on a very restrictive diet and I saw no results. Even did a biopsy and sent cells in for cancer testing and nothing. It was awful- every other pet owner I read about said that the steroids worked almost immediately for their pets. It took a YEAR of this routine before I saw any stabilization. Two years later and we're finally brining her steroid dosage down for the first time.

It certainly sounds to me like Scott is making steady progress and that's great! You're not at square one and you are winning some of these battles. You're doing great staying on top of things and you and Scott will get through this! 💖

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17 February 2023 - 1:28 pm
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seeing other peoples' cats jump back super fast made me feel like there was something I was doing wrong. The choice to amputate carried such incredible sadness and guilt for me that once it was made my brain happily converted that into taking every awful thing that happened afterwards as a consequence of this thing I did to my cat that I was personally responsible for.

This is exactly what it feels like! It's like I cannot predict what is to come and have no idea what to even expect.

It felt like it wasn't going to end, and I felt like I couldn't leave her alone for a minute, I couldn't sleep, was just hyped up on adrenaline and stress all the time. There were times when I felt like the only way I could keep her alive was through force of will. It was awful. I had to recover from the trauma like she did, and in a lot of ways she bounced back faster, but it did get better.

  

This is really well said. It is something that we must remember as tripawd parents! Thank you for these kind words!

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17 February 2023 - 1:36 pm
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Hi All!

So I am happy to report that things have been quiet-ish. The last week has been pretty uneventful. Scott just hates having the cone/shirt on and constantly growls and grumbles when they come on and off. His gabapentin is now every 12 hours instead of 8-10, I consider this a win. Yesterday we called the vet and sent photos of his new suture - she said that it looks good. She wants us to try weaning him off the Gaba....but we have to do this while we are still watching him incase he tries going after his sutures again.

She also said that because his sutures were opened after the two-week mark, she feels like it would be best to continue the 24-hour care for three to four weeks total. Honestly, it is very taxing on both of us and our bosses are starting to get annoyed -- but what can you do?

We have only had ONE aggression fit, which happened to be last night. But he was grooming himself and it looked like he pulled some hair out that was attached to a scab (not where his suture is). He got hissy/growling and tried to bite his suture. I redirected him and put his cone on him and he was fine after that. no other incidents so I definitely think it was a scab-issue.

I think we are going to try weaning him off this weekend. He has 100mg capsules that we open up and sprinkle on churu treats. I wonder how we should do this -- our vet was honestly not too much help on this. She just said to give it to him later and later....sooooo if anyone has any tips that would be great.

OH! And he is starting to cuddle/purr again. but it is also after his gaba. Yesterday night was also his first sign of wanting to play with a string toy and his brother. So I think things are starting to look better. Thank you all!!

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17 February 2023 - 9:22 pm
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Uneventful, quieting, wanting to play, purring and cuddling.....all this improvement made my day!!   CELEBRATE these victories!

As usual,  our kitty community  co continues  to come through  with wonder information and support.  They can probably provide input on curtail the meds.  

Thanks for the good update.....and keep 'em coming!

Hugs

Sally and Alumni Happy Hannah and Merry Myrtle and Frankie too!

Happy Hannah had a glorious additional bonus time of over one yr & two months after amp for osteo! She made me laugh everyday! Joined April's Angels after send off meal of steak, ice cream, M&Ms & deer poop!

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18 February 2023 - 9:16 am
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Oh my gosh YES! He's on his way! I think that what you are describing all points to him feeling better and better. You sound good too! Every purr is so precious at this point isn't it?

Withdrawing is just that. Spacing the medication further and further apart as the days go on. Usually Gabapentin is withdrawn over the course of a few days, maybe 3 or 4 to be safe. Since you are sprinkling it onto his food (thank goodness he'll eat it!), you can even start putting less of the sprinkles on as time goes on. 

I hope this helps. Let us know how the weekend goes.

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22 February 2023 - 1:37 pm
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Good Afternoon! So a few updates:

Scott is now allowed to roam the house but still has to keep his shirt and/or cone on per doctors orders until they tell us otherwise. He has gone down the hallway and into the living room but really has no interest like he used to in wandering the house.

We tried the weaning process and it was a disaster. The vet did not give us much to go on and just said "do whatever works". Hindsight, I should have looked more into it - but we decided to not give Scott his morning dose of gabapentin. By 1:30 (so about 17 hours past he last dose) he started getting aggressive, growling, hissing, and trying to lick/nip at his feet and suture site.

I fear he was having withdraws. We immediately gave him some gaba and he calmed down. We continued the 12 hours from then. Sunday he had another episode again.

So far, he is only really grumbly/growling when he gets up to move initially, but sometimes this doesn't happen, its a crap shoot and there isn't too much of a pattern. He is sleeping all day and night (because of the Gaba). I called our vet to explain what happened. She is going to give us 50mg tablets this week to try and start on Saturday (if she sees the suture and it looks good to her via photo).

I hate being negative but I feel like this is as good as its going to get. The vet has no answers for why he is aggressive off the meds. She said it could be pain/soreness/change of routine/anxiety/etc. But there is no way to tell. She doesn't want us to live him by himself for another 2 weeks and it is becoming really difficult with our work lives. I hope by this weekend we see more improvements and no steps back. 

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22 February 2023 - 2:10 pm
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This is quite perplexing as this behavior was never observed before surgery, correct?  While it has lessened (and that's  really important  to celebrate) I know it's frustrating  to see it continue periodically. 

Trying him on a consistent,  but lesser amount of Gaba sounds like a good approach.  

One 5hing to ask the Vet is could possibly  be nerve related.  Rarely, but ot does happen, a nerve during amputation wasn't  "closed off" (very layman's term) as it should be.  Also can't  help but wonder if this behavior will go away  once all the sutures are gone and no possiblity  of poking or pulling.  I'm sure he hates wearing the tee shirt  too.  Can't  remember  if it was a kitty memver or dog member,  but they did very little walking around while the short was on.  Once off it made all the difference  in the world.   

Just throwing  out some thoughts.   Hoping others can chime in with more insight.   And FWIW, it's not unusual  at this point, especially  with the two "surgeries " to still be on pain meds.  I know it seems like an eternity,  but it's still "early on" all things considered. 

Hugs

Sally and Alumni Happy Hannah and Merry Myrtle and Frankie too!

 

Happy Hannah had a glorious additional bonus time of over one yr & two months after amp for osteo! She made me laugh everyday! Joined April's Angels after send off meal of steak, ice cream, M&Ms & deer poop!

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