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Our female boxer mix, Charley, was diagnosed with osteosarcoma and had her left hind leg amputated on Aug. 3; today is Aug. 8. She seemed to be doing well until yesterday (day 4) - when we woke in the morning, she was soaked from her chin to her chest in drool and had scratched her neck (despite E-collar) until it bled. Her chin was also very swollen on one side. In addition, her eyes were red and irritated and she was trying to itch them and she was very agitated. She still had a Fentanyl patch which had been applied during or just after surgery. She was also taking Tramadol, 100 mg, every 8-12 hours as well as Rimadyl, 75 mg, twice a day. Brought her in to the vet yesterday afternoon and the doctor thought that the Fentanyl, which was due to come off today anyway, may have been causing the excess drooling and tearing from her eyes and thought the patch should be removed. The doctor removed the patch, cleaned up her chin and chest with a warm washcloth and chlorhexidine scrub and dried and sprayed the area with GenOne (anti-itch) spray. Charley's eyes were stained to see if she had a corneal ulcer - she did not - and the doctor put drops (NeoPoly/Dex) in to help with the redness. The diagnosis (I'm reading from the Emergency Discharge Instructions) was acute moist dermatitis, scleral congestions OS>OD r/o underlying allergic cause.
Charley is now on the following meds: Tramadol, 100 mg, every 8-12 hours; Rimadyl, 75 mg, twice a day; Gentamicine Beta (GenOne) Spray, 2-4 pumps to reddened area under the jaw, twice a day for 7 days; Diphenhydramine, 75 mg, twice a day; Cephalexin, 750 mg, twice a day; NeoPoly/Dex (dexacidin) Ophthalmic suspension, 1 drop in each eye, twice a day for 10 days. In addition to these, she is also on the following meds - and has been since we adopted her nearly 3 years ago: Dasuquin, a tablet a day; Sertraline, 75 mg once a day. Before the surgery, Charley was also already taking both Tramadol (dosage was 75 mg twice a day) and Rimadyl (75 mg twice a day); she has elbow dysplasia in her front, right leg.
Charley's appetite has decreased steadily since she came home and she seems even more lethargic. The doctor thought her appetite would be better after she was off the Fentanyl but it is worse. I understand that the Tramadol and Diphenhydramine cause sleepiness and the Cephalexin has loss of appetite as a possible side effect but I am quite concerned that her appetite and energy level seem to be getting worse since she came home rather than better. I have had to hand-feed her her last two meals; she had stopped eating.
I called the vet again today and although they did say that Cephalexin can cause loss of appetite, they seemed concerned that she had to be hand fed and was so lethargic. They suggested that I bring her in if I was concerned and suggested they take x-rays and do blood work. That completely freaked me out; all I could think was that they thought that the osteosarcoma was already spreading. My husband "talked me down" and we decided to wait and see how she did today and tonight. I guess I'm looking for a second opinion: do you think that, given the cocktail of meds she's on, loss of appetite and increasing lethargy are to be expected? Or should we bring her back to the vet? Thanks so much for your help.
Well, I'm not a vet, but she sure seems to be on a lot of meds, so who knows what could be causing the lethargy and poor appetite. I would not hesitate to take her back to the vet if that will give you peace of mind. And I can understand your freaking out - it's so easy to do with this journey. My Dobe, Nitro, wouldn't eat for the first week after surgery, so I know this feeling too. I would think your vet is taking into account the different meds, and how they interact with one another. My thought would be that there is something med-wise that is causing this behaviour. And pain will also cause them to not want to eat, but hopefully this is not the case with Charley.
Bottom line.....call you vet, be persistent if you are uneasy with anything. You don't need any added stress, you need answers.
Paula and Nitro
Nitro 11 1/2 yr old Doberman; right front amp June 2014. Had 6 doses carboplatin, followed by metronomic therapy. Rocked it on 3 legs for over 3 years! My Warrior beat cancer, but couldn't beat old age. He crossed the Bridge peacefully on July 25, 2017, with dignity and on his terms. Follow his blog entitled "Doberman's journey"
"Be good, mama loves you".....run free my beautiful Warrior
So it sounds like they're saying she has a hot spot, so the spray and Benadryl.
The scleral congestions OS>OD r/o underlying allergic cause
OS>OD just means left eye > right eye, and they're thinking could just be allergies - once again the Benadryl.
Murphy also gave us a hard time eating after his surgery. I cooked up some rice and poured chicken broth over it, then added chunks of chicken to it for him.
One of the things with all of those meds is that they could be causing some nausea. You could probably try some zantac for that. Murphy weighs 50lbs and takes 75mg with his antibiotics. It really makes a difference.
Donna
Donna, Glenn & Murphy
Murphy had his right front leg amputated due to histiocytic sarcoma at 7 years old. He survived 4 years, 2 months & 1 week, only to be taken by hemangiosarcoma at 11 1/2 years 6/12/17
Read about Murphy's Life on Three Legs
We're not many days ahead of you -- July 28 amputation, front left leg.
Our hit was shortly after the Fentanyl patch came off. It seems many dogs do better when that day occurs, but I swear we had opiod withdrawal symptoms. Two days after the patch was gone Milo started skipping meals and was super lethargic. Note -- that was all of 2-3 days ago! We've been playing with his Tramadol dosage. We went too low and he was in pain, and too high and he was looped out and nearly catatonic. Milo can't do NSAIDs because he's one of the 5% who have bad liver reactions.
Right now, on Tuesday Aug 9, my optimistic view of the world after spending a few hours at Tufts Animal Hospital today with a great team, is that the change in drugs hit Milo hard. He ended up in pain without the Fentanyl. He then didn't want to move because he was in pain. Then his muscles that were just adjusting to the whole new weight and balance and strains tightened up while he wasn't moving. Even as we worked to correct the pain meds, he was tight and sore from the previous stationary days, and starting into a nasty spiral.
Milo did a lot of walking today -- probably more today than the previous post-amp days combined. He heard me touch his dinner dish and he was ready and excited for dinner -- and he had skipped the last few meals. He sort of ran to greet my husband's car tonight.
Regarding the scratching the hot spot like drama -- have you had that before? I had a golden before Milo. She was the queen of hot spots. I could walk into the house and smell if she had one going. Much of the hot spot world of digging and scratching until it bleeds is just neurotic behavior. It's not clear which drug gave Charley the "creepy skin" feel that led to the hot spot, but it's not unusual. Heck - some of us people aren't far behind with mosquito bites -- I'm guilty of scratching uniil it bleeds sometimes!
Anyway, it's the drug balance. Many dogs seem to do better without fentanyl patch. Milo thrived with it. Then it was trying to figure out how much tramadol so that he wasn't in pain, but also wasn't a potato. The appetite went away when he was in pain or too much tramadol -- but that's Milo.
We wish you the best of luck.
Peace,
Jenifer & Milo
P.S. In case you're curious, Milo is 72 pounds post amputation (80 pounds pre-). He is on 300mg gabapentin 3x a day, and 100mg Tramadol 2x a day. And just added an antiobiotic today because he had a fever at his appt today - I had no idea.
Oh my goodness!' Just catching up! So sorry your puo ks having all these challenges! Ugh!
Yes, it does seem like the drugs could be causing loss of appetite and lethargy. It could also be a sign of pain. Are you doi g the Tram at the 12'hr mark or the 8'hr mark? Does she show signs of pain as the Tram wears off? Of coirse, the Benadryl coukd definitely be making her appear sleepy too. You may want to make the Tramadol doses closer together if you think Charley js in pain...with vet consult of course. It's really tricky getting the pain meds balanced.
Do whatever it takes to get Charley to eat...steak...chicken...pizza crust...scrambled eggs...macaroni and cheese. He needs his tummy coated with all the meds. If it takes hand feeding, do it!
I think your husband is spot on about giving him a few days to see if he starts feeling a little better. Drinking, pooping, peeing okay? Incision looking good?
I joined this community on day six of my Happy Hannah's surgery so fearful that I had made a horrible mistake! In fact, it took me abojt three weeks before I coukd finally say I did this FOR her and not TO her!
We'll look forward to your next update. Recovery is no picnic. Charley's sparkle WILL start to come back slowly but surely!
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Sally and Alumni Happy Hannah and Merry Myrtle and Frankie too!
Happy Hannah had a glorious additional bonus time of over one yr & two months after amp for osteo! She made me laugh everyday! Joined April's Angels after send off meal of steak, ice cream, M&Ms & deer poop!
Update on Charley, boxer mix: Charley is now 7 days post-amputation and I am relieved to say that she's doing so much better than on Monday (date of my original post). She seems to have adjusted to the meds and while still very sleepy, her appetite has returned - probably because I added ground beef to her kibble but she finishes the ground beef and almost all of the kibble. She actually seems to want to go outside when we take her out to do her business. Her chin/neck area, while still irritated, is looking better and doesn't seem to be bothering her as much. We've taken the E-collar off during the day when we're around and only put it on at night or if we all need to be out of the house at the same time, which is not very often (thankfully).
I can't thank you all enough for your words of advice and encouragement! I know I'll be looking for more as time goes on but it's so good to know that Tripawds exists and people like you are out there!
OMD!'''Her avatar picture is sooooo cute! And excuse me MISS Charley for calling you a boy in my earlier ppst. Clearly you are a gorgeous girl!!
So glad you are seeing improvement! YAY FOR CHARLEY! She's still in the up and down part of recovery, but you should start seeing improvement on a consistent basis shortly. Good that you're able to keep the cone off most of the time. I'm sure she feels much better without it.
Would LOVE to see more pictures!
Give her an extra cheeseburger on me!
Hugs!
Sally and Alumni Happy Hannah and Merry Myrtle and Frankie too!
Happy Hannah had a glorious additional bonus time of over one yr & two months after amp for osteo! She made me laugh everyday! Joined April's Angels after send off meal of steak, ice cream, M&Ms & deer poop!
That's great news! I am so glad that she is eating and showing some interest in outside (and that you have the skin issues under control). A lot of dogs really perk up when the staples come out, and that is also when many of us were able to start tapering down the meds (although my Otis continued on Tramadol - reduced doses and frequency - into week three).
Otis - 106 pound lab/Dane mix, lost his right front leg to osteosarcoma on Febuary 9, 2016. Four rounds of carboplatin completed in April, 2016. Lung mets August 25, 2016. Said goodbye too soon on September 4, 2016. Lost his adopted sister, Tess, suddenly on October 9, 2016. likely due to hemangiosarcoma.
Wherever they are, they are together.
Hi Charley and family
Just read your posts and am so happy things are looking better.
I had to hand feed my girl Eurydice and give her water with a big syringe for a whole month after surgery as she completely stopped eating and drinking ... but now, a little over 3 months she is on a diet to try and drop her weight !
You will see a big improvement once stitches come out and Charley is going to surprise you, showing you how well she can do on 3 legs!
This is a great community so keep the updates and ask any questions, big or small, we are all here for you and your girl (who is gorgeous, by the way )
Sending you lots of hugs and cuddles to your cutie
Eurydice 77kg/170lb Great Dane limping end of April 2016, amputation (right front leg/osteosarcoma) 4 May 2016 6 courses of carboplatin followed by metronomic therapy, lung mets found 30 Nov 2016. 3 courses of doxorubicin, PET scan 26 Jan 2017 showed more mets so stopped chemo. Holistic route April 2017. Lung X-ray 5 May 2017 showed several tennis ball size mets, started cortisone and diuretics. Miss Cow earned her XXL silver wings 12 June 2017, 13 months and 1 week after amputation and 6 1/2 months after lung mets, she was the goofiest dawg ever and is now happily flying from cloud to cloud woof woofing away :-)
SUPER news, we all really needed this today. 3-paws up to you and your amazing Tripawd Warrior Princess! May the healing continue!
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