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Cheers Clare, this is really good to know. Sorry for the mix up Elsie Pie in the Sky, your brows are going up again thinking this is always about Meg... oh-my but darling you get special spirit kisses for giving me and Stu some good info! You sure had it rough when you were little! What a true champion you were! heart

Basically then, i shouldn’t worry about how long Stewie is on it?

Hugs to you and Meg and i hope that Spring is looking better to you than it is to us right now!

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Basically then, i shouldn’t worry about how long Stewie is on it?

Oh, no, I don't think so. Not at all. My understanding (obviously not an expert) is that people and dogs can take it long term/permanently if they want to. I've actually just been encouraging my Mum to try it.

Sorry for the mix up Elsie Pie in the Sky, your brows are going up again thinking this is always about Meg... oh-my 

Pie is wholly and completely mollified by the spirit kisses, and immensely pleased to be declared a champion by none other than Handsome HugePaws himself.

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Thank you! Good night you guys! 😘 

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Good night to you too!

PS Here's an entirely gratuitous pic of Miss Pie back in her Milk Thistle days...

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OMD!!!  A PICTURE OF PIE NOT IN HER "NORMAL PIE POSITION "😎

Actually, I take that back!.  It IS her one and only pose she does for photos.  It's just that she has on a deeeelightfil vest and no grey muzzle!

And Petra, I .I've your little  cartoon😁

It's really kind of you to share your thought process on using the CBD for Stu (and Spike too).   And thanks for taking the time to share your research, as well as the great results  you've  seen😙

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Oh my gongases Elsie Pie i am in love all over again! Absolutely off the adorable chart!

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"it is probably due to the chemo still running its course through his body. Does this make sense to anyone out there? Is his immune system still compromised? "

It would make sense to me as well it is from the chemo my sister's hair started to grow back in one month after her last chemo, and was doing radiation. My Dad's started to come back in 2 months.

We know in they do not treat cancer so aggressively in animals as they do in humans. Dad's is not treated as aggressively as my sisters was as they are treating his autoimmune disease, not cancer.
They were both on different drugs than Stewie too. I cant imagine Stewie being the only pup with hair loss.

Miss Leslie is treating the immune system with his acupuncture and the ortho-bionomy, the milk thistle is a detox for the liver and to help it regenerate I believe that is why she has suggested that for Stewie.

I used Milk Thistle on our kitty Garfield, and it worked wonderfully for him. Great for any liver issues. I used it until he crossed over. I agree with Clare do not worry about long-term use, and I am also not an expertwinker

I had to look this hair loss up here is what I found it appears it has to do with the type of Dog Stewie is and his type of coat from what I read here are some links. I pasted some of the info from the links in each link there is more info. Important stuff I think is below.

Chemo and furry coats

It's in the Hair Follicles
Like people, curly-coated and wire-haired breeds have a high percentage of hair follicles that are growing all the time, Falk said. “Chemotherapy is actively targeting rapidly dividing cells, and growing hair follicles are some of the most rapidly dividing cells in the body,” she said. On the other hand, the majority of the hair follicles in dogs with straight coats—such as Rottweilers, Labrador retrievers, golden retrievers and German shepherds—are resting and inactive.

The researchers also discovered that dogs that received a higher cumulative dose of doxorubicin over the course of their treatment lost their hair more often.

http://www.wvrc.....formation/

"Unlike people receiving chemotherapy, hair loss in canine and feline patients is usually very minor. Cats may lose their whiskers, and long-haired cats may lose their outer coat. Dogs may develop mild hair thinning. Spots where hair is clipped for surgery or chemotherapy administration may grow back very slowly. However, there are some dog breeds that are more likely to experience hair loss due to chemotherapy. If you own a Poodle, Old English Sheepdog, Schnauzer, Puli, Lhasa apso, Shih tzu, Bichon frise, Yorkshire terrier, Maltese, or curly coated terrier such as an Airedale or Welsh terrier, you should expect that your pet will lose a more significant amount of hair during the initial stages of chemotherapy. For all pets, the hair that is lost due to chemotherapy will grow back after the course of chemotherapy has been completed or once treatments are given less frequently. Sometimes hair may grow back a slightly different color. 

http://www.bone.....erapy.html

Hair Loss (Alopecia)

In most pet animals, hair does not grow continually throughout their lives like it does in people. Therefore, hair loss in pets is rare. Exceptions are certain breeds of dogs, such as poodles, Old English Sheepdogs and other breeds whose hair grows continually. In general, if your pet needs to visit a groomer periodically to be clipped, then your pet may experience some degree of hair loss as a result of chemotherapy. Cats may, however, lose all or most of their whiskers. Please ask your pet's doctor about the possibility of hair loss in your pet.

Also Dr. Sue the Cancer Vet you could ask her & she does live Q&A since you do Facebooger I think it is a great topic to bring up and ask.

I also wonder about taking biotin if that would help? Might be a question for Dr. Sue or Miss Leslie.

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Stewie doesn't care about his hair loss, and I am glad to see the Hedgie was a hit! Big nose or little nose hedgies American or Canadian 😉 It's a new hedgie🦔 ! Cannot have enough hedgies!🦔🦔 The yeowwws the kitties loved!😹😸

We are all relieved to hear Stewie is feeling better then he was even if he is not up to speed yet. Might be the weather too!

Yaay for the CBD making such a difference in Spikey! I would use on Stewie too but that is just me;) Try and see what you see.

Oh Miss Pie 😘😘

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And Petra, I .I've your little  cartoon😁

It's really kind of you to share your thought process on using the CBD for Stu (and Spike too).   And thanks for taking the time to share your research, as well as the great results  you've  seen😙  

Im afraid my knowledge is too little Sally, i guess the biggest thing is having a conversation as a whole and combine our knowledge!

Love to you and the gang

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once I started with it, I gave it to him daily, so for several months at least, if not a year. Hard to remember.

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Miss Holly,

i swear i need to put you on my payroll!! This is all brilliant, brilliant information!!!! Thank you once again for your time!!aw-shucks

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"it is probably due to the chemo still running its course through his body. Does this make sense to anyone out there? Is his immune system still compromised? "

It would make sense to me as well it is from the chemo my sister's hair started to grow back in one month after her last chemo, and was doing radiation. My Dad's started to come back in 2 months.

May i start by saying that I’m sorry that your knowledge comes through from experience with your family! Thank you from the bottom of my heart for sharing this! 

Miss Leslie is treating the immune system with his acupuncture and the ortho-bionomy, the milk thistle is a detox for the liver and to help it regenerate I believe that is why she has suggested that for Stewie.

Yes, thanks Holly, that pretty much sums it up. She had also suggested that he eat raw liver once a week, but that grossed him out as well the other day, so we shall try it on the BBQ next time! ugh

I used Milk Thistle on our kitty Garfield, and it worked wonderfully for him. Great for any liver issues. I used it until he crossed over. I agree with Clare do not worry about long-term use, and I am also not an expertwinker

Thank you i do appreciate the reassurance of the use of the Milk Thistle. I shall try adding drops to Spike’s tuna/CBD mix. I have the pet kind, so they do give me the amounts to give per kg.

I had to look this hair loss up here is what I found it appears it has to do with the type of Dog Stewie is and his type of coat from what I read here are some links. I pasted some of the info from the links in each link there is more info. Important stuff I think is below.

Chemo and furry coats

It's in the Hair Follicles
Like people, curly-coated and wire-haired breeds have a high percentage of hair follicles that are growing all the time, Falk said. “Chemotherapy is actively targeting rapidly dividing cells, and growing hair follicles are some of the most rapidly dividing cells in the body,” she said. On the other hand, the majority of the hair follicles in dogs with straight coats—such as Rottweilers, Labrador retrievers, golden retrievers and German shepherds—are resting and inactive.

The researchers also discovered that dogs that received a higher cumulative dose of doxorubicin over the course of their treatment lost their hair more often.

So even though Stewie falls more into the ‘resting and inactive’ follicles and therefore the hair loss should be relatively less, i wonder if his large dog size and amount of Carboplatin plays into his hair loss. I do have to trim his feet and his legs, so there definitely is movement in his follicles... 

He had 6 rounds of Carboplatin over the course of 19 weeks (one round was delayed on back order!)

http://www.wvrc.....formation/

"Unlike people receiving chemotherapy, hair loss in canine and feline patients is usually very minor. Cats may lose their whiskers, and long-haired cats may lose their outer coat. Dogs may develop mild hair thinning. Spots where hair is clipped for surgery or chemotherapy administration may grow back very slowly.

Stewie has most of his outer coat still. It is definitely his inner coat that is ‘thinned out’ as this article suggests. The area that he was clipped for surgery is beautifully soft! I wish my hair felt that good!

However, there are some dog breeds that are more likely to experience hair loss due to chemotherapy. If you own a Poodle, Old English Sheepdog, Schnauzer, Puli, Lhasa apso, Shih tzu, Bichon frise, Yorkshire terrier, Maltese, or curly coated terrier such as an Airedale or Welsh terrier, you should expect that your pet will lose a more significant amount of hair during the initial stages of chemotherapy. For all pets, the hair that is lost due to chemotherapy will grow back after the course of chemotherapy has been completed or once treatments are given less frequently. Sometimes hair may grow back a slightly different color. 

I have always said that Stewie’s coat is unlike any of the breeds he says he is! Bernese/Rotty/Retriever, these are his known breeds. I feel that there is more to him than meets the eye... way-cool Maybe he a wannabe Bichon Frise, he does love to do that paw’ing thing in the air, while prancing on his hind legs! laughing

http://www.bone.....erapy.html

Hair Loss (Alopecia)

In most pet animals, hair does not grow continually throughout their lives like it does in people. Therefore, hair loss in pets is rare. Exceptions are certain breeds of dogs, such as poodles, Old English Sheepdogs and other breeds whose hair grows continually. In general, if your pet needs to visit a groomer periodically to be clipped, then your pet may experience some degree of hair loss as a result of chemotherapy. Cats may, however, lose all or most of their whiskers. Please ask your pet's doctor about the possibility of hair loss in your pet.

This is all very cool stuff Miss Holly!!! I am grateful to you for your tenacity in finding information! This is the stuff Paul can get his teeth into!

Also Dr. Sue the Cancer Vet you could ask her & she does live Q&A since you do Facebooger I think it is a great topic to bring up and ask.

I also wonder about taking biotin if that would help? Might be a question for Dr. Sue or Miss Leslie.

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Sometimes you make life too easy on us Holly! Thank you!! 

i shall be honest though, i may be on Facebook sometimes, but the doing of it still has me questioning the complete purpose of it all! i think i will send her an email and that way Paul will be able to participate too. 😉 Going live doesn’t always work for me either because of the major delay we experience when doing FaceTime etc.

Stewie doesn't care about his hair loss, and I am glad to see the Hedgie was a hit! Big nose or little nose hedgies American or Canadian 😉 It's a new hedgie🦔 ! Cannot have enough hedgies!🦔🦔 The yeowwws the kitties loved!😹😸

You’re absolutely right about never enough Hedgies! That is what he says too... he is so funny watching which one he’s going to pick out next! Not that he goes very far with it, he just loves to try and find its squeaky and RIP it OUT!!! 

Many hugs right back to you and your very special boys!

love ya!

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once I started with it, I gave it to him daily, so for several months at least, if not a year. Hard to remember.

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Thanks Paula. All of this information is putting stuff into better perspective for me. I very much appreciate that you are being so open with me as well. 

It’s a strange world, we can find out everything we need to know about stuff we don’t need to know about and when it comes to stuff we. NEED to know about, it can be impossible to get a straight answer! Ha! So much for the wonderful World Wide Web. A web and maze it is!

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Glad to hear Stewie is doing better.

I don't know anything about CBD Oils. 

I can say this with hair for Sassy when she passed she was almost 10 months amputated.  She still had a pretty good spot missing hair.  This picture was at her 7th birthday which was july 26 ,2013  and she passed  August 20, 2013.  As you can see that pretty big spot.  I am sure the Chemo had a play in her hair growing back.  She did 4 treatments of Carboplatin and then did Metronomics after getting mets.

I also gave  her Milk Thistle when her numbers started going up towards the end of chemo & on the Metronomics.

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Michelle said
Glad to hear Stewie is doing better.

Thanks Michelle! I’d like to say that there is a little more ‘flash’ in his eyes these last few days!

I don't know anything about CBD Oils. 

No problem, thank you. 

I can say this with hair for Sassy when she passed she was almost 10 months amputated.  She still had a pretty good spot missing hair.  This picture was at her 7th birthday which was july 26 ,2013  and she passed  August 20, 2013.  As you can see that pretty big spot.  I am sure the Chemo had a play in her hair growing back.  She did 4 treatments of Carboplatin and then did Metronomics after getting mets.

I can definitely see that not quite bald spot on Sassy... thanks for sharing this picture! Isn’t it funny how is grows back so differently? And this was also so long after her chemo had finished!

She is a gorgeous girl! I’m sorry you had to say goodbye to her too soon! When did you know that her Mets had come back? And did you see signs of them? 

I also gave  her Milk Thistle when her numbers started going up towards the end of chemo & on the Metronomics.

Did you see improvements in her demeaner or is Milk Thistle just a know component to cleanse the liver?

I have to say, the more you all give me as far as information, the more questions that form, so thank you for all of your patience and your honesty. 

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She is beautiful Michelle! I do love the expression on Rotty’s faces, the eyebrows say so much don’t they!

Hugs and sloppy kisses to your furry gang

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Hi Petra, Stewie and kitties,

I'm glad you found the information on Canadian CBD oil sources useful. It sounds like you have a good contact now. I'm curious how you determined how much to give to your kitty?

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Hi Kerren and Mona

i always love seeing your beautiful face Mona, you always remind me of my Mojo! 😘 

Great question Kerren! So when we were in the dispensary, the gentleman was telling us about his young cat that he treated with CBD oil after a surgery he had had. He said that it made the world of difference in the cats recovery. His cat was smaller than Spike and he had gone by trial and error. He had started off at 2 drops in the am and 2 drops in the pm. He found the optimum worked for him around 3 and 3 for his cat and so he suggested we start off super low and raise it up slowly, depending on Spikeys response. Paul had been doing some research beforehand and had made note of similar doses that had been given to cats, so he felt comfortable with what this guy was telling us.

We started Spike on 2 and 2 and within the first 12 hours he was less ‘yelly’... we then found that he was quieter during the night. Instead of being so cranky when he asked for his midnight snack, he was asking a lot more quietly. After a few days we knocked it up to 2 in the am and 3 in the pm and he is walking smoother... instead of stomping down the stairs, he has more of his rabbit thump back again... we are up to 3 and 3 as of tonight. He hasn’t peed his bed in a week now! 

We are seeing more of his beatiful gold eyes, rather than wide eyed and cranky and he seemed quite pleased with me today when i shaved off some of his winter mats. He has always had a good appetite, but this oil seems to have encouraged a better one! The oil is in a coconut oil tincture by the way.

Hugs to you and Mona. And please know that the information you gave us helped us If only to say that we are not alone in our desire for answers and that it would be wonderful if all vets could get on board for our pets. So many of them agree, but their hands are tied. Regulations are not on their side right now.

All the best for now 

Petra, Stewie and his incredible Kittens

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