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Severe phantom pain at 3 weeks post op
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13 February 2016 - 4:10 pm
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After the usual hiccups post op with meds and lack of appetite Parker our Bernese Mtn dog was starting to reappear as himself. He was moving well, engaged in life and wagging his tail whenever anyone came into the room. He had some episodes of phantom pain every once an awhile early in his recovery, but nothing out of the ordinary. Now, out of the blue the pain seems to have escalated where he goes through episodes where he whimpers and vocalizes constantly. We put him back on Tramadol and started gabapentin 2 days ago, but he still appears to be experiencing a lot of discomfort. Has anyone else gone through this at 3 weeks post op? Hot and cold packs don't seem to have much of an effect. Sometimes just having us come into the room makes the whining start. Sometimes it is a sharp yelp, but often it is whimpering. How long can phantom pain go on? Do the nerves eventually settle down or is this perhaps permanent?

We originally removed his front leg to give him better quality of life and I am concerned we have given him less. It is heart wrenching to see him like this. Any help on this issue would be appreciated. I have read all the articles posted on this site, but would really like to talk to someone who has experienced it first hand.

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13 February 2016 - 4:22 pm
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Parker said
I have read all the articles posted on this site, but would really like to talk to someone who has experienced it first hand.

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13 February 2016 - 7:02 pm
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Parker said
After the usual hiccups post op with meds and lack of appetite Parker our Bernese Mtn dog was starting to reappear as himself. He was moving well, engaged in life and wagging his tail whenever anyone came into the room. He had some episodes of phantom pain every once an awhile early in his recovery, but nothing out of the ordinary. Now, out of the blue the pain seems to have escalated where he goes through episodes where he whimpers and vocalizes constantly. We put him back on Tramadol and started gabapentin 2 days ago, but he still appears to be experiencing a lot of discomfort. Has anyone else gone through this at 3 weeks post op? Hot and cold packs don't seem to have much of an effect. Sometimes just having us come into the room makes the whining start. Sometimes it is a sharp yelp, but often it is whimpering. How long can phantom pain go on? Do the nerves eventually settle down or is this perhaps permanent?

We originally removed his front leg to give him better quality of life and I am concerned we have given him less. It is heart wrenching to see him like this. Any help on this issue would be appreciated. I have read all the articles posted on this site, but would really like to talk to someone who has experienced it first hand.

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13 February 2016 - 7:25 pm
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Hi Parker & Family, thanks for registering, your future posts won't need approval. Did you mean to re-post your original entry?

I'm wondering if he might have hurt himself without your knowing? What's his activity like both before and after the episodes?

Along with Admin's recommendations, I suggest contacting a pain management specialist. Yes, phantom pain can happen three weeks out, but there are things that a pain management doc can do to help ease and reduce it. Many general practice vets don't know what to do in this kind of situation other than prescribe drugs, you really want to work with a specialist who can treat with different modalities like PT, acupuncture, etc.

Hang in there, things DO get better.

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13 February 2016 - 8:06 pm
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Have you noticed spasms? My dog had phantom limb pain with spasms and gabapentin didn't touch the pain, but adding methocarbomal, a muscle relaxant, made a world of difference because it stopped the spasming. Sometimes it takes a few tries to find the right combination of medications / other treatment to get over this hump. I also found the tips admin linked to helpful, especially the cold packs. 

Do talk to your vet and try to talk to a specialist. It might also help to take a video of an episode so that the vet can get a good idea of what's going on. 

Things do get better!

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14 February 2016 - 4:53 am
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Hi Parker & Family!

I'm sure you are such a handsome and well-loved boy, Parker. I'm sorry that you're facing this challenge, but your pawrents did the amputation for all the right reasons. And like Dcjack says, it does get better.

From my experience (in humans at least), Gabapentin can take a while to "kick in". It might take a week or so for you to see some decrease in the episodes. Speak to your vet of course, but he might need to ramp the dose up a bit to get ahead of the pain and then later he could come back down. As to whether it is permanent, of course every dog is different, but most here wean off Gaba at some point. It doesn't seem that most dogs get the same sort of permanent phantom pain that humans can experience---of course we can't be sure because they can't talk, but the episodes like you describe (jumping up suddenly w/ yelping etc) seem to just subside in dogs over time. 

I don't know what dose you're on, but you could also be under-dosing him. I have a close human pack member (190lbs) who has been on Gaba for years for neuropathy and his dose is 1200mg/day. I'm not saying that you should be at that dose, but just as an example of what kind of dose is well-tolerated and effective, at least in humans.

Denise, Bill and Angel Ellie

Active 10+ Pyr mix suddenly came up lame with ACL tear in left rear leg. Scheduled for a TPLO but final pre-op x-rays indicated a small suspicious area, possibly OSA, which could have caused the ACL tear. Surgeon opened the knee for TPLO but found soft bone. Biopsy came back positive for OSA. Became a Tripawd 9/18/14. Carbo6 with Cerenia and Fluids. Pain free and living in the moment. Crossed the Bridge on 7/12/15 after probable spread of cancer to her cervical spine. A whole lifetime of memories squeezed into 10 months. Here's her story: Eloise

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14 February 2016 - 12:25 pm
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Thanks for the responses.  Parker was doing well before this and had the odd yelp for pain, but nothing like what is happening now. Since Thursday he is pretty incapacitated with this pain. He is on Tramadol 3 times per day and 300mg of Gabapentin 3-4 times per day. Due to the tramadol he is pretty dopey, but we are just trying to keep him comfortable at this point. He has the sharp pain, but also will just lie there whimpering. He has an appointment with the specialists tomorrow. We have seen some small improvement in that the intensity of the episodes is somewhat reduced, but they are still coming very regularly. There is no rhyme or reason to them. He is not moving around much, but they come whether he is moving or not. We see the odd twitch of his muscle, but this doesn't seem to cause him any discomfort at this point.

Wondering DCJack how long the phantom pain lasted with your dog and at what stage of his recovery did it become an issue?

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14 February 2016 - 12:47 pm
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Ohhh poor guy. What kind of specialist is he seeing?

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14 February 2016 - 12:52 pm
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Could it be back spasms from walking differently?  Murphy had a lot of stiffness in his back legs a little while after surgery.  Massaging his back & his back legs seems to help.

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14 February 2016 - 1:07 pm
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He is going back to the specialists that performed the surgery. They have a variety of specialists there that deal with everything from heart, cancer, surgery, rehab. Hopefully they will have seen this enough to know if there is something to be done. He is suffering badly at the moment as are we.

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14 February 2016 - 1:16 pm
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I'm glad to know you already have a follow-up visit planned. I don't fully recall when the phantom pain kicked in, I think it was about 1.5 weeks after the surgery and I saw near fully improvement by 3 weeks after the surgery. It was earlier than what you're experiencing, but every dog is different. 

Can you pinpoint where the pain is coming from? Does it seem to be the amputation location (Jack would lick at the site during episodes and look toward it, so I could tell that she was experiencing pain at the site) or somewhere else, like his back? 

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14 February 2016 - 1:23 pm
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Parker has never licked his incision site or even paid attention to it. The only thing he does sometimes is coil over the incision and put his nose over his back legs like he is protecting it.

Was the phantom pain with your dog intense and cause him a lot of grief or could he still function fairly normally? Parker is miserable and won't interact with life at all.

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14 February 2016 - 11:29 pm
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I am actually thinking that he might have hurt his back. He is holding his back leg oddly and perhaps he is suffering from back spasms. Will know more tomorrow I hope.

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15 February 2016 - 12:01 am
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Oh, I am so sorry that Parker is dealing with this! sad

My Susie wasn't on Gabapentin when she came home from the hospital, and she was definitely suffering from Phantom Limb Pain. I asked the surgeon if it could be prescribed at her two-week post-op appointment. I think it has helped her a lot. (She's a month past surgery now, and still takes a Gabapentin capsule at night.)

I'm so glad that Parker will be seeing the specialists tomorrow. It does sound as if he might be dealing with something more than just the post-op Phantom Limb Pain, especially because the severity of it increased so much three weeks after surgery.

Please let us know what the specialists say tomorrow. All fingers and paws crossed for dear Parker! I know how hard it is to see our precious pups in pain!

((((hugs))))xxxx from Nancy & Susie

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15 February 2016 - 10:09 am
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Gosh, so sorry Parker is dealing with this! Ugh. I agree with Nancy, sounds like something other than phantom pain . Soooo glad you are getting him to a specialist today. We'll all be waiting for an update.

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