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Ask about the surgical honey. That is what helped close Bender's hole before they could stitch it. Stitching to early can leave a void that will become infected again. 

Hope she makes a full recovery! 

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Bender said
Ask about the surgical honey. 

Yes! Here’s some info

http://nutritio.....al-wounds/

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jerry said

Bender said
Ask about the surgical honey. 

Yes! Here’s some info

http://nutritio.....ounds/  

Jerry, have you wrote about silver infused bandaids? Our vets used that after the surgical honey to dry up the incision before restitching.

I know silver bandaids are used frequently in human medicine. It works wonders for burn victims. 

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Another thing we human medicine folks do for fluid collections is compression stockings, so I was psyched to find this "stocking" shirt for front leg tripawds before Loki's surgery. He had almost no swelling and no drainage at all, and it seemed to support his incision site in a way that the dressings and wraps couldn't. Maybe it would help Maddie?

https://www.dogleggs.com/surgi-sox-torso-for-the-forelimb-amputee/

Here's an early post of Loki wearing it:

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Such great input!!  Nothing like first-hand knowledge from their own personal experiences to help each other! 🙂

Loki's compression shirt looks likea great solution! 🙂

As far as the MANUKA HONEY, make sure it is the AUTHENTIC SURGICAL Manuka Honey and is high in UMF....there are a lot of rip offs with similar "sounding" rankings, but they aren't the real deal when it comes to effective healing powers.

You are an EXCELLENT advocate for your Maddie!!   Good job!

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Well we have returned from Maddie's regular vet (or at least the vet at the practice who replaced her regular vet).  She took the bandage off completely - said it wasn't doing anything (which is what we thought too).  After at least half of the last bandage changes, you could see the hole in her incision because of where it is located (at the point in the V), its up at the area where her shoulder would meet her chest.  Anyway, she removed the bandage, she talked about possibly inserting a drain but wanted to wait until the surgeon is back on Monday.  She called the ER to see if the culture is back and it's not.  She has us using hot compresses on the area below the hole three times a day.  We got gloves and we have to put a shirt or E Collar on her so she doesn't try to get to the wound.  I know they were cleaning it with the honey at each bandage change so I'm torn about whether I should take her in to the ER again tomorrow to have it cleaned and re-wrapped.  Everyone tells us something different - drain, no not a drain; suture, no never suture; pressure bandage, no pressure bandage.  It's frustrating!  But for now she seems much happier without the full body cast lol and I'm inclined to wait it out until Monday when we can take her in in the evening and see the doctor who originally took care of the burst seroma.  She's resting (totally exhausted from today's adventure).  I feel so bad for her - she's cut the pad on her back paw so she's limping on that too.  This poor dog.  I know it's futile, but I wish wish wish Maddie's long time vet hadn't retired!!!  I would feel 100% better if she was involved in her treatment.  At the next visit, I will ask about the body shirt and the silver bandages.  Thank you all again for your support.  This has been quite an ordeal for all of us!

Bobbi & Maddie a/k/a ManiacMads

Front leg amputation 10/17/17 due to Osteosarcoma

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Well at least she's feeling better, that's terrific news and progress (even though I'm sure it doesn't feel like it with all the back-and-forth you're going through). In just 72 hours you should have a better plan to deal with it and who knows, hopefully the healing will be so good by then that more steps won't be needed. 

Try to breathe and focus on the things she can do right now, and how much better she's feeling. You have really come a long way over a short time. Congratulations! This will be behind you soon. Hang in there!

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Hot compresses are excellent.  It will feel good,  keep the area clean,  and draw fluid.  Drains are good if there is fluid buildup and it isn't draining.  Sutures are good if the area is no longer draining the infected fluid and you are just closing up am open wound.  I hope that helps separate the craziness.  If they end up suturing, they will likely make the skin fresh by debriding all the dead skin first so that it can seal and close. Different situations call for different actions, so that's why so many people have different experiences.  I don't know anything about the honey but it sounds vey good.  Silvadine cream, bandages are used often in burn victims (people) and its a wonderful soothing healing cream.  Again,  different actions for different circumstances.  I truly hope this little bit of info helps.  ((((Big hugs!!))))

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 Silvadine cream, bandages are used often in burn victims (people) and its a wonderful soothing healing cream.

We had a member try the sulfadiazine cream on a hygroma. See:

Try Silver Sulfadiazine for Elbow Wounds and Hygromas

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Just sending that cutie pie of yours a HUGE cuddle 💕

She is such a great girl and you are such a wonderful Mom 💕💕 

Hope she'll get back to excellent shape soon 💗 😘😘😘🐮💫✨🌟🌹

Eurydice 77kg/170lb Great Dane limping end of April 2016, amputation (right front leg/osteosarcoma) 4 May 2016 6 courses of carboplatin followed by metronomic therapy, lung mets found 30 Nov 2016. 3 courses of doxorubicin, PET scan 26 Jan 2017 showed more mets so stopped chemo. Holistic route April 2017. Lung X-ray 5 May 2017 showed several tennis ball size mets, started cortisone and diuretics. Miss Cow earned her XXL silver wings 12 June 2017, 13 months and 1 week after amputation and 6 1/2 months after lung mets, she was the goofiest dawg ever and is now happily flying from cloud to cloud woof woofing away :-) 

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Must checking in on your sweet gal.  Update when you can.  As you already know, we are all cheering for our sweet Maddie 🙂

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Hi everyone!  Things are pretty much in a holding pattern right now.  The hole is still draining, we still do not have the culture back so we don't know if there is an infection or if it's just icky fluid.  Yesterday morning I tried to get an appointment with the ER doctor who originally treated the burst seroma, but they said I should speak to her first and she did not call me back what-everAlthough I'm sure they were super busy yesterday being the first day back after a long holiday.  I called our regular vet and they still want to wait to see the results of the culture before we do anything else.  So we are waiting.  It's still draining a lot, so I'm pretty sure she's going to need something done.  None of the doctors seem to have an answer as to how long these things drain like this - I get the impression that it's not usual for it to burst open like it did.  Anyway, I guess we still just have to wait and see.  I will update when I get the results of the cuture (hopefully today sometime)!

Maddie seems to feel better each day thankfully - she is happy to be out of the body cast but HATES the cone!  She's eating and drinking well - she really seems to be feeling good.  I have to keep her from romping in the yard and she's not thrilled about STILL having to be on a leash when we go out back!  It's hard to believe how different things were just 8 days ago.  

Thank you all for your support and for caring about Mads!

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Hi sweetie pie 🌺

So sorry to hear Maddie's seroma is still giving her lots of grief ...

... and the fact vet's are not coming back to you and sound a bit uncertain surely doesn't help ...

But the really marvellous part is she is feeling great and in good humour (albeit pissed off with her cone 😤)

I'm sure everything will fall into place once the results are back, any minute now.

Let us know as soon as you can, ok?

Sending you and Mads a truckload of kisses and cuddles 😘😘😘🐮💫✨🌟🌹

Eurydice 77kg/170lb Great Dane limping end of April 2016, amputation (right front leg/osteosarcoma) 4 May 2016 6 courses of carboplatin followed by metronomic therapy, lung mets found 30 Nov 2016. 3 courses of doxorubicin, PET scan 26 Jan 2017 showed more mets so stopped chemo. Holistic route April 2017. Lung X-ray 5 May 2017 showed several tennis ball size mets, started cortisone and diuretics. Miss Cow earned her XXL silver wings 12 June 2017, 13 months and 1 week after amputation and 6 1/2 months after lung mets, she was the goofiest dawg ever and is now happily flying from cloud to cloud woof woofing away :-) 

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I know it seems like this is never ending....it's not thiugh!  Right now the "treatment" is working and she's feeling really good! So happy for that!  Shel'll be off leash and out of that cone soon!

You're doing a really good job!

And yeah, call the ER Vet you like again. It could be that she didn't even get the message as busy as they are.

Also maybe you could ask the Vet to double check on that culture just ro make sure nothing got lost over the holiday. Just in czse!

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Hey there! I am sorry that you guys are still dealing with the oozing, on the other hand definitely better OUT than in. Some cultures take 7-10 days before they are ready to be analyzed. Did they give you a time frame?

I am glad she is acting more herself smileyIs she still on the antibiotics? Has the color of the fluid changed at all? Is there still a bad odor? Sorry, hopefully the amount of fluid will start to decrease soon and the odor should dissipate. The fluid may become more clear than bloody looking as it heals. Hang in there, it has been about a week now? I would think you will have results in the next few days. I agree with Sally, she may not have gotten the message. I would call again just to be sure. People today can just be so unreliable sad I am so glad she is eating, drinking, and active. Those are all great signs that she is continuing in the right direction. Mama is going to need a vacation after all of this, you must be exhausted, poor thing. 

Sending good thoughts your way and lots of hugs heart

Jackie

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