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10:22 pm
14 November 2009


jerry

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We are so sorry, that is definitely the news none of us wants. But like you said, you caught it early, and Indy just really seems indestructible! She's a senior girl but it sounds like she is tough as nails and she will continue giving life everything she's got.

We are sending our love for many healthy days ahead. It's so good to know life is good for her now. Please keep us posted and let us know how your vet visit goes OK?

"It's better to hop on three legs than to limp on four."
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11:49 pm
21 November 2009


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Indy update: We will see the oncologist on Wednesday. If we decide to go with chemo, Ohio State University donates free chemo treatments for ex-racer greyhounds, so that will be helpful.

Other than that, Indy is fast and happy and enjoying walks, food, and her crazy siblings. One quick question: is it normal for seroma oozing to increase and decrease over the course of the first few weeks? It seems like it's been oozing more over the past few days, though she's definitely been more active.

9:09 am
22 November 2009


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Indy's picture is definitely eye-catching. I love it. That is Greyt that your 14 yr old is doing so well after losing a leg. Impressive.

If you are going to OSU, it will be interesting to hear what they tell you about Artemisinin and whether they are finding it useful. I understand they typically put dogs onto that, but probably after chemo if you do chemo (I can't remember how they time it, but I have the details somewhere about their greyhound cancer treatment program that were on the web). I think they also do metronomics following regular chemo. Given her age, maybe they'll just fast track you directly to metronomics and artemisinin.

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10:02 am
22 November 2009


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I'm sorry to hear that Indy's path results came back with osteosarcoma… Frown But it's a good thing that they think they got it early. Jake also was diagnosed after his leg broke, but unfortunately, he had been limping on and off on that leg for many months before. We all just assumed it was arthritis (he was 10yrs old). I found out from last nite's live chat with the oncologist, that we should have probably gotten an x-ray right away, instead of trying to treat with NSAIDS. Maybe we could have started his treatments much sooner and he would have still been here now… Crying 

I'm glad to hear that Indy is doing well in her recovery… Hopefully she will live many more happy months (or years) and surprise all her vets! Big Blink Good luck with the vet appt on Wed… Let us know what they suggest!

Angel Jake's Mom

Jake, 10yr old golden retriever (fractured his front right leg on 9/1, bone biopsy revealed osteosarcoma on 9/10, amputation on 9/17) and his family Marguerite, Jacques and Wolfie, 5yr old german shepherd and the newest addition to the family, Nala, a 7mth old Bengal mix kittie. Jake lost his battle on 11/9/2009, almost 8 weeks after his surgery. We will never forget our sweet golden angel… http://jakesjou…..ipawds.com ….. CANCER SUCKS!

10:39 am
22 November 2009


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Emily went to OSU for her chemo and I just want to tell  you that they are the most absolute nicest people you will ever meet.  Indy will be loved and taken care of  like she is the only dog in the world.  I would recommend them to anyone.  I know you will be happy.  What oncologist are you meeting with?  

Debra & Angel Emily

Debra & Emily, a five year old doberman mix, who was diagnosed with an osteosaecoma. She had a right rear leg amputation on May 19, 2009. On November 10, 2009 she earned her wings and regained her fourth leg.

12:19 pm
22 November 2009


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We're going local (San Jose, California) for the oncologist. If he thinks it's the right thing to do, OSU will send him the chemo treatments and he will administer them. OSU sent me the logistics of what they need, but it's really just paperwork stuff.

7:39 pm
23 November 2009


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Anyone have experience with seroma re-occurring two weeks in? The seroma oozing started three days post-op, was really bad for about a week before it started to taper off to just a small bit of spotting and drips. Then about three days ago (the two-week post-op mark), it got really bad again.

I *think* it coincided with when she we took her off codeine (and cephalexin). Since then, she's been more active and walks around more, especially when she wants food or water (she'll act like a big brat if she doesn't get it right away, which is equally endearing and annoying). She's also been on regular 5-minute walks since then.

Also, she had a few days where she laid on her stump when she slept. She had trouble figuring out how to get up from that side and would sometimes thrash about until she figured it out.

We've reverted back to putting the diaper pad under her while she sleeps. Just gauging it, today seems to be less than yesterday, and it looked like it actually stopped for a little bit this afternoon until I aggravated the area while cleaning it.

I don't see any puss and there's no foul smells coming from there. The skin is a little more pink than usual (could just be stained fur) and I can't tell if there's swelling or not. The upper hip is totally normal but there's a little bit of cushiness at the bottom of the stump surrounding the incisions. It could just be her leftover muscle/fat or it could be collected seroma that still needs to be absorbed or it could be swelling? I dunno.

I suppose the only real concern (other than the fact that it increased) is that this seroma is darker than when it first started. It's still thin and cleans really easily, and sometimes when it drips it looks like fruit punch rather than blood. My bigger concern is that it is actually blood mixed in with seroma and we're not able to really tell.

Thoughts? Our vet told us that if it didn't stop in a week, check in with him. Since we're seeing the oncologist on Wednesday, we figure he can give us a look.

9:52 pm
23 November 2009


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No, we don't personally have any experience to share on this, I'm so sorry. With the post-surgery bleeding issues that Greys can have, I would definitely ask the oncologist to take a look on Wednesday.

Keep in mind that a seroma is actually a little bit of blood mixed with fluid, but it's when it starts getting darker (more blood mixed in), that is should get attention.

Let us know what the oncologist says. God luck. Give Indy a big smooch from us!

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7:43 pm
24 November 2009


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Good luck at the oncologist tomorrow.  I really don't know anything about seromas.  Emily didn't ooze or anything.  I didn't know that might happen so I would have really freaked!  Indy is in my prayers.

Debra

Debra & Emily, a five year old doberman mix, who was diagnosed with an osteosaecoma. She had a right rear leg amputation on May 19, 2009. On November 10, 2009 she earned her wings and regained her fourth leg.

8:51 pm
24 November 2009


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Emilysmom said:

I really don't know anything about seromas.


More than you may ever care to know about seomas can be found in this post about post amputation surgery seromas and Jerry's top-ten cancer amputation concerns two-part blog post. Hope this helps!

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1:44 am
26 November 2009


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You know, if this whole thing was simply about Indy living life on three legs, it'd be simple: she's mobile, fast, and happy. Case closed. This whole cancer thing just mucks it all up.

We went to the oncologist today and the first thing he noted was the volume of oozing I noted above was indeed abnormal for this late in. He said it looks like part of the incision still hasn't healed right, and that's part of the reason why the seroma is still oozing.

He felt around her stump and noted that the front part of it felt hard and looked swollen. I'd suspected something a few days ago but it was hard to judge because we didn't really touch or manipulate her stump in the first two weeks post surgery, so we didn't have a good gauge for what was or wasn't normal. They did an ultrasound on it and it revealed a solid mass in that front part. They aspirated and are awaiting test results, probably Friday or Monday. They also are running blood work just to get a sense of what's going on.

We did discuss chemo options but it really depends more on what's going on with this first. He said the oozing has to resolve first and we need to know what's going on with the stump mass. He said it could be an aggressive tumor re-occurrence, a blood clot, or maybe things just healing weird with scar tissue and other tissue. He is pretty sure there is some level of infection, so she's back on antibiotics (this time it's clavamox instead of cephalexin), and that will hopefully help with the healing process of at least the incision. He said depending on what it actually turns out to be, we have a wide range of options, including doing nothing and letting it resolve on its own or additional surgery. I guess we just have to wait and see.

As for the chemo…now everything is up in the air. Suddenly, we've gone from the possibility of treatment with chemo to give us another good 6-9 months to a potential tumor re-occurrence with who knows how much time.

Not a good way to kick off the holiday weekend, but you can bet Indy will be getting some Thanksgiving dinner tomorrow.

7:07 am
26 November 2009


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I'm betting Indy will get EVERYTHING she wants for Thanksgiving dinner.  I  am so sorry that you have this hanging over your head all weekend.  Indy will be in my prayers.  Did the doctor give you an idea which way he was leaning?  You are right, the amputation is the easy part.  We know two families with dogs that had amputations as a result of accidents.  They don't think any thing of it.  What makes it hard for us is that we have the c word that we worry about all the time.  My immediate reaction when I heard about them having tripawds from accidents was to think how lucky they were. 

With three legs Emily could still run like the wind and could still jump up on the trampoline.  I'm sure that Indy runs even faster!!!!

Anyway, I wante to let you know that I will be praying that it is simply scar tissue and nothing that breaks your heart.

Debra

Debra & Emily, a five year old doberman mix, who was diagnosed with an osteosaecoma. She had a right rear leg amputation on May 19, 2009. On November 10, 2009 she earned her wings and regained her fourth leg.

11:22 am
26 November 2009


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bswb97 said:

This whole cancer thing just mucks it all up.


Sure does… but doen't tell Indy! She doesn't know about this cancer thing, and doesn't need to. Thanks for the update. Best wishes.

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11:32 am
26 November 2009


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I am sorry things are still up in the air with Indy. I know how difficult it is to move ahead when everything is uncertain – have been there a couple of times since Tazzie's amputation. Sooner or later, we figured things out, which makes it easier for us humans to keep moving ahead (of course our pups don't get caught up in these unresolved issues the way we do, thank dog).

Weekends and long weekends that prolong the process make it all the harder for us humans.  I hope you figure out what is going on and can move ahead as soon as possible. In the meantime, I hope you enjoy Thanksgiving as much as Indy will!

Susan & Tazzie 2

1:48 pm
26 November 2009


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I am late getting in on this forum.  I love greyhounds, I've had three ex-racers.  God Bless Indy for livng a long full life!

My Rottie Raven is going into his 5th week post-amp.  I am not a vet, but can share our experiences with you anecdotally.  He battled with seroma nearly into the 4th week.  Read raven.tripawds.com 

It did surge and worsen in the 2nd/3rd week.  My vet took it as just a phase in healing as far as the odd timing.  His other leg did blow up too.  That is because gravity and proximity to the surgery site caused the fluid to fill there.  My vet said a way to tell it's a seroma swelling in that limb was to press into it with a finger and when you remove it, there will be a dent of your fingerprint for a bit.  It's sort of like playdough.

The draining would come out the bottom of the incision, which impeded healing since it couldn't dry out and scab. The top stitches look wonderful after the first week.  Then the skin started deteriorating from not being able to heal and having the constant moisture, the stitches started tearing through the mushy skin.  We needed to put in some stitches that reached further out to better skin and butterfly tape.

We ended up having to put a drain into the bottom of the incision to give the fluid a way out.  And also had to use Lasix pills, which are a diarretic (a last resort because we don't want to dehydrate them when they are trying to heal), in addition to the pressure bandaging, that finally did the trick.

We actually removed the top half of the stitches the 2nd week, on time.  But the bottom ones didn't come out until recently after the draining stopped and the skin could finally start to heal.  That also caused Raven to need to stay on antibiotics for nearly a month, however long the stitches were in.

The antibiotics will cause diarrhea.  They not only destroy the bad bacteria, they inadvertantly destroy the good bacteria in the gut that aid digestion.  So, probiotic powder (or yogurt with live cultures) was given to Raven (and all my animals whenever they are on antibiotics).  This helped keep his BM's solid.  And his tummy from feeling upset. You asked if the drugs ruined Indy's sense of taste.  I believe she was just nauseated and food isn't appealing when you have an upset tummy.  Feed the yogurt/probiotics midday, at a different time away from when she gets her antibiotics, or else they just cancel each other out in the stomach.

I hope some of this helps!  I will look forward to reading more about Indy.  She sounds like a lovely girl!

Dawn and Raven

 Rottie Raven, osteosarcoma at 8-1/2 years old, amputation in October '09 and in February '10 due to liver mets he went back to heaven where he came from.  raven.tripawds.com

Now I have Miles, rottie mix amputee from a shelter and traveled 1500 miles to find his way here through the Rescue Railroad thanks to tripawds.com.  miles.tripawds.com

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