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28 March 2011
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Just an update in case someone has to deal w the MRSA in an amp also, I thought I would document:

Bud played and rolled in the grass and sunshine this weekend, I noticed Sat night that there was a red spot where he had previous skin infection. It is spreading and pussing so we went back to the vet today. He took slides and there was bacteria and white blood cells showing bacterial infection. It is probable that it is MRSA again. Bud has another two weeks of Baytril and a topical spray for the spot.

The good news was no fever, enlarged lymphnodes or other signs of infection.

His knee and the swelling in it had improved quite a bit from his previous fall. Oh and he lost another lb even with all of the ammpversary observance treats!So keep celebrating friends!!!!

Frustrating yet hopeful!!! PAWS UP!

28 March 2011
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We'll be keepin' all our paws up for Bud, for sure! Thanks for the update, please keep us posted.

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28 March 2011
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Well, it sounds like overall Bud is doing OK…yea for no fever or the other nasty stuff. 

Our perspective sure does change when we deal with these health issues, doesn't it?  So he has an infection again- but we are 'happy' because it isn't as bad as before!

Maybe we need a tee shirt that says 'Frustrating yet Hopeful!'.  We could leave a blank space to fill in the particular issue: sore knee, arthritis, infection, etc…

 

Thanks for posting this info- hopefully the treatment will knock down this episode of infection.

 

Karen and the pugapalooza

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28 March 2011
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Hi,

I'm sorry you & Bud are having to deal with recurrent MRSA. MRSA infections are always difficult to treat & have a tendency to recur repeatedly, even with appropriate antibiotics. Your initial posts were concerning to me, because Bud's infection was being treated with Baytril…Baytril is a flouroquinolone. This classification of antibiotic is notorious for promoting mutation and resistance in MRSA infections and long ago was taken out of the treatment spectrum for both community(CA) & hospital(HA) acquired MRSA in humans. I would be very concerned about this possibility, particularly with the recurrence.

Because Bud developed this infection after ortho surgery, it shoud be assumed it is HA-MRSA & treated accordingly, although the line between treatment for HA-MRSA & CA-MRSA is blurred because of the widespread prevalence of the organisms. It sounds like they may have treated based on in vitro culture sensitivities, which might initially look like CA, but mutate rapidly.

Human medicine has waged the MRSA battle for decades now and treatment protocols are constantly evolving because of ongoing, ever changing drug resistance. If there is a treatment failure with a particular antibiotic, it is not repeated. Resistance is assumed while cultures are pending. The first line therapies for humans are available in veterinary medicine and it might be worth talking to your vet or pursuing another opinion about antibiotic options. I don't know why veterinary protocols are so contrary, but I would want to be sure the therapy was the optimal. There has to be some veterinary infectious disease specialist your vet could consult.

I work in an acute care facility with nationally recognized infection control /policies for resistant infectious disease. Every patient admitted to the hospital for any reason, is immediately screened for MRSA.  Even our therapy dogs undergo MRSA surveillance cultures quarterly and are not allowed to visit any long term care facilities and only a few other acute care facilities, who share our policies. MRSA is a zoonotic infectious disease, very easily transmitted between dogs & humans

A lot of public information you will find with a google search is outdated.The most recent human guidelines can be found in the Feb 1, 2011 issue of The Journal of Clinical Infectious Disease-vol 52, issue 3. You can find a direct link at the bottom of this article:

http://blogs.cd…..re/?p=1389

SWEET ISABELLE Rescued from Hurricane Katrina 09/17/2005 OSA diagnosed 08/19/2010. L rear leg amputated 08/24/2010         Resection of MCT in R rear leg 01/20/2011 Enjoying Her Fabulous Life at 13!
28 March 2011
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Karen….You are so right about that perspective thing! Lovely idea on the tshirt but Im afraid we may scare some folksbig-grin I saw in the local newspaper today where someone had an add saying "hug a pug its cheaper than therapy"….it made me think of the pugapaloozas!

 

Isabelles's mom…Thanks for the post! There is soooo little info out there. We are on our 3rd local vet and had specialist in the metro area and our vet now consults with CSU.

We did do the culture and baytril was one of the few sensitive drugs and apparently there weren't many. Today we also got a topical that had also proved sensitive.

I did also contact the MRSA foundation who also contacted a specialist for me. It sounded like we were doing things per protocal with the lab and all. He told me that since it was in the bone it would be treated as osteomilitis was and that there was very little literature even for vets. To look through the human research.

 I was concerned at the time that we were not being aggressive enough but was told that since the "source" of infection was gone, this would be the treatment.

I am going to read up on the link you sent…thanks and we are following up with vet at the end of the week.Scary stuff!

28 March 2011
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The problem with the quinolones: MRSA very often is sensitive to it in vitro, but, the minute the organism sees the drug, it mutates. When they are used, it is in combination therapy. 

Osteomyelitis only refers to an infection in a bone & has nothing to do with the organism.  Removing the source of the infection has little impact on the organisms still present.

I can do a literature search for you & send some info if you'd like. You will find the current treatment protocols on the link above. I think you are going to have to look to human medicine and it's many years of experience for guidance

SWEET ISABELLE Rescued from Hurricane Katrina 09/17/2005 OSA diagnosed 08/19/2010. L rear leg amputated 08/24/2010         Resection of MCT in R rear leg 01/20/2011 Enjoying Her Fabulous Life at 13!
28 March 2011
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I would be interested in reading what you found…thanks!

28 March 2011
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PM me with an address if you'd like. I'll try to pull some literature tonight, but the most up to date protocols will be those on the link.

Sorry you're going through all of this….

SWEET ISABELLE Rescued from Hurricane Katrina 09/17/2005 OSA diagnosed 08/19/2010. L rear leg amputated 08/24/2010         Resection of MCT in R rear leg 01/20/2011 Enjoying Her Fabulous Life at 13!
28 March 2011
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Well gosh darnit Bud! Sorry to hear about the new infection. I'm with Karen! "It could be worse! So let's do a happy dance!"

Thank goodness for Isabelle's mom! Maybe that will help.

Give Bud a nose kiss from The Monkeyboys over here!

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28 March 2011
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I'm so sorry Bud has to deal with this again. He should be waiting for squirrels and spring, not wondering if he's going to get the right drugs to fix him up. You are probably going to have to be an aggressive, pushy advocate for him. I think you're up to the task. You're a mom, right?   laugh

If they're consulting with CSU, I'd like to think somebody's on the ball. But if they're using something that allows or even encourages mutations, as Cynthia said, it seems like somebody's sleeping through class. You had the amputation done at Alameda East, correct? They are really on top of things. One of the best clinics out there. Somebody needs to treat Bud like he's a human and not a canine. This is serious, frightening stuff. Keep us posted.

Shari

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28 March 2011
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It has to be extremely difficult for vets to determine an optimal treatment course as they have little experience with this virulent organism. MRSA often becomes a chronic infection once it establishes itself.

Most vets are probably not familiar or comfortable with the only drugs that may be effective and they are probably not approved for use in dogs….a few are barely approved for humans.The drugs themselves are arduous to manage and without any substantial data in dogs, dosing will be very challenging. The treatment cost may prove prohibitive and it can take months. Humans are still, after 30 years searching for a solution, which is why there is so much emphasis on prevention.

If the topical you are referring to is Bactroban (mupirocin), you might want to use it in Bud's nose -coat the front, inside with a small amount 3x/day for 5 days. The nares are a primary source of colonization for MRSA. This is not a permanent decontamination, but may help in the short run. 

SWEET ISABELLE Rescued from Hurricane Katrina 09/17/2005 OSA diagnosed 08/19/2010. L rear leg amputated 08/24/2010         Resection of MCT in R rear leg 01/20/2011 Enjoying Her Fabulous Life at 13!
29 March 2011
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Thanks Shari for your support and concern

Cynthia. I am sending pm

Thanks to monkeybutt dogs for their nose kisses

I am gonna hope to heck this is just a bacterial skin infection!!!!

We are all praying around here, B made his preK class say a lil prayer with him too!

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