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Amputation or SRT (Stereotactic Radiotherapy)
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23 February 2017 - 8:36 pm
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Ugh, I'm sorry to hear.  That's tough.  That plan sounds good to me for the little I know.  In human oncology, doing chemo prior to surgery is common and generally more effective.

The harder part of the decision for us is that we have this stereotactic radiation option staring in our face.  We elected not to do it, because it risks fracture and won't remove all of the primary tumor.  But now I'm wondering if we should just to keep her on schedule...

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23 February 2017 - 8:58 pm
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Have absolutely zero input.....not even a little "intuitive nagging" where I'm leaning one way or another.

The one thing I sorta' kinda' keep sensing in your earlier threads is that you aren't 100% convinced not to try the SRT route. Maynir may not be a correct observation.

The only other thing I can add is, again, there really are no guarantees with or without chemo. Amputation is one surgery and very few vet visits

I'm sorry you're dealing with all this turmoil and uncertainty. No one needs the extra stress.

Seeing Bree in that video really shows what a vibrant, full of life girl she is!! 🙂 That is such a sacred treasured video of Bree and her adorable human siblings 🙂

I sincerely hope somehow, someway you get some clarity on what Bree would want.

Hugs to all

Sally and Alumni Happy Hannah and Merry Myrtle and Frankie too!

Happy Hannah had a glorious additional bonus time of over one yr & two months after amp for osteo! She made me laugh everyday! Joined April's Angels after send off meal of steak, ice cream, M&Ms & deer poop!

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24 February 2017 - 7:57 am
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Now, although this may be insanely expensive, is there a way to try all three? In other words, if there is a window that may be too long in terms of waiting for amputation ( and I am not certain what that would be as the window varies greatly from dog to dog), could you try SRT, then amputate and complete chemo as needed based on further testing?

The reason I mention this is, sometimes, as you have found out, there is not a clear picture. or path forward But not being able to do anything at all is generally the worst option.

Would your vets consider the trifecta option (SRT, amputation, and then chemo)? At least then you would know you were moving forward...

Personally, as hard as amputation may be initailly, after a few weeks, and given Bree's exuberant nature, she is likely to recover well and bring her full Bree self back to the beach, chasing waves, dragging sticks, and in general, being happy, happy, happy! 

(Have had experience with SRT but it is not an easy protocol as there are - generally-five sessions, each requires anesthesia, and depending on where it is done and where you are located, staying at the facility throughout the week is not uncommon.) 

Best wishes, hugs, and PyrPaws all around!

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24 February 2017 - 8:00 am
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We could but yeah, really expensive.  What was your experience with SRT?

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24 February 2017 - 11:18 am
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Will PM with more info. One of my WonderBears just completed hers 2/3big-grin!

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24 February 2017 - 11:37 am
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The mobile version of the site is a little harder to navigate... I've looked.... where is the PM link?

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24 February 2017 - 11:44 am
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Tap charliebear's profile picture.....that will tke you to her profil page.

Look in the left side of the psge u der charliebear contacts. Underneath there, and it's reall hard to see, is a tiny "send pm" printed in red. Tap that. It will take you automatically to her spot to send pm. You DO have tomput in a short subject. Then comppse your note and hit "reply sender".

Now, all that said, I have an a droid tavlet and my screen may look very different with the rest of the world's!

Good luck!

Happy Hannah had a glorious additional bonus time of over one yr & two months after amp for osteo! She made me laugh everyday! Joined April's Angels after send off meal of steak, ice cream, M&Ms & deer poop!

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24 February 2017 - 5:41 pm
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Have PM'ed.

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24 February 2017 - 10:20 pm
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This is an interesting read from Dr. Sue, the cancer vet.

http://www.dogc.....-option-2/

I know one person that did SRT.  5 months after the treatment, the leg did fracture and was amputated.  Taylor is still going strong even though he has lung mets and has for quite some time.  He's 22 months post amp and I guess 27 months post diagnosis.  I forgot when the mets were found but it was last summer I believe. 

I'm also looking at SRT for Tex as he doesn't appear to be a good candidate for amputation.  We still don't have a diagnosis so everything is still up in the air.  

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24 February 2017 - 10:41 pm
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ohmynixon said
This is an interesting read from Dr. Sue, the cancer vet.
http://www.dogc.....-option-2/

I know one person that did SRT.  5 months after the treatment, the leg did fracture and was amputated.  Taylor is still going strong even though he has lung mets and has for quite some time.  He's 22 months post amp and I guess 27 months post diagnosis.  I forgot when the mets were found but it was last summer I believe. 

I'm also looking at SRT for Tex as he doesn't appear to be a good candidate for amputation.  We still don't have a diagnosis so everything is still up in the air.    

I know somewhere in NC does it...  UNC, I think?  Otherwise UGA is probably the next closest.

How bad was the fracture?  My wife's biggest concern is that I'm out of town for work and Bree has a bad break out in the yard.  My wife couldn't carry her, and even if she could, with 5 kids it'd be hard to get Bree to a vet.  If it was a hairline fracture with some pain (not that we want any pain) that could wait a couple days with some home treatment, then that seems to us to be an acceptable risk.  The "snap in two" break is not.

Sorry to hear about Tex.  If he was a good candidate for amputation, would you choose that route?

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24 February 2017 - 11:07 pm
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While you were waiting for Ingrid to respond, I thought I would copy some comments she just made on a post of hers the other day. She makes a comparison between two of her dogs, Nixon and Tex, and the way they both behave as far as Vet visits go. Their behavior was also instrumental in the type of treatment she selected, or, in Tex's case, is in the process of selecting.

"Those of you that know my heart understand that I have no issues with amputation. Nixon was my diva. He loved people, loved attention, and loved going places. As long as the vet didn't put him in a kennel and allowed him to socialize with everyone he wanted to, he loved going to the vet. Nixon would walk into the waiting room, make everyone pet him, see the doc, and then work the crowd again before we could even think about getting in the car or paying the bill. They often setup a bed for him in Dr. Huff's office where he could keep tabs on everyone between his laser treatments and chemo. The only thing he hated was acupuncture.

Tex is the exact opposite. Where Nixon had quiet confidence and was never phased with problems, Tex has high anxiety, panics at any changes in his life, and will aggressively bite (class 3-4 biter) when stressed. He hates going to the vet. Even if they just feed him liver and cheeseburgers, he still stresses out, has his tail tucked between his legs, and bolts for the door."

Happy Hannah had a glorious additional bonus time of over one yr & two months after amp for osteo! She made me laugh everyday! Joined April's Angels after send off meal of steak, ice cream, M&Ms & deer poop!

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25 February 2017 - 6:26 am
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Dito Sally, or Ingrid I suppose. When I was having to decide on whether to amputate or not the vet said that she had two dogs herself. One that was confident and tough, the other easily scared and not very stable, to put it short. She said that she would make the decision based on the dogs psyche, or general mind-set. That actually helped me in making that decision because I knew my boy was tough. 

I think I just read on Facebook that dr. Sue said that SRT is not a cure either so the life expectancy is probably about the same? To speak frankly, and I know it's difficult to make that decision ( boy do I know), if you run the risk of the leg breaking and then having to amputate anyway: personally I would choose Amputation just to avoid further complications. Now those are just my 2 cents and in no way am I judging here. I would have loved to leave my dog on four and I still miss the old times but the way things were explained to me then the alternatives were just not very good. 

I know you're trying to make the best decision for your dog. This darn disease just makes everything so hard. 

Guardian of Manni the Wonderdog. -Or was it the other way around?
Osteo and amputation in Dec 2015. Second, inoperable, primary osteosarcoma found in June 2017.
The end of our adventures came Dec 10, 2017. 2 years to the day.

Manni's blog -dogblog-

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26 February 2017 - 7:57 am
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Yes, SRT is not curative, though it can be part of a "curative intent" protocol.  It should be seen as effectively the same as amputation in dealing with the local tumor. That said, the UF radiation oncologist said he does not know of any cases of OSA being cured after SRT (whereas a small number have been after amputation).  This may be due to it being an uncommon treatment plan, however UF has been doing it for OSA for over a decade.

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26 February 2017 - 11:54 am
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One concern I do have is if there are bone mets down the road and we amputated another leg... that obviously becomes problematic, though it's hard to make decisions on an unknown future.

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26 February 2017 - 12:31 pm
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NC State now does SRT.  My husband and I would just have to get the courage to let them touch one of our dogs again.  They've had too many accidents with our dogs and friends dogs for us to feel confident in that the students have enough knowledge to safely take care of the animals given to them.  

Taylor, the dog in FL with SRT, had a hairline fracture.  One thing that his human did was make a very nice set of stairs out of insulation foam for Taylor to get in and out of the car with.  I have always used dog ramps but the stairs Taylor has are really amazing.   Let me see if they'll post here:

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Mark Fletcher:  "I built some Styrofoam steps.  To be used if and when Taylor, my 88 pound Greyhound can't hop in and out of my Tuscon, and they both LOVE/DEMAND rides 2-3 times a day.

That is a 2013 Hyunda Tuscon, with a rear cargo area height of 30".
It can be made to any width, height, depth.

I bought 4' x 8', two inch thick sheets of Styrofoam at Home Depot.
They cut to size, too, which was REALLY helpful since cutting that stuff makes a mess.

Glued together with 3 cartridges of Liquid Nails.
The edges are all wrapped in 3" wide duct tape.
The carpet is a remnant, and glued down with spray adhesive.

Build time? Less than an hour.
Probably doesn't weigh 10 pounds"

Maybe you could build something like this just in case something DOES happen and your wife has to take Bree to the vet without you.  A front leg lameness will often still be able to climb stairs.  Once at the vets, they'll have to assist to get Bree out but at least Bree would have a way to get into transportation.  

When it comes to amputation, I don't think you'll find someone more pro-amputation than me.  If Tex didn't have this severe lameness on the right leg, I'd amputate even though we wouldn't do IV Chemo because of his fear of the vet.  If Tex does have Osteo, this will be the third dog in a row I've had to make such a decision with.  The first dog had a laundry list of things wrong on why she was not a candidate for a rear leg amputation.  The 2 largest issues were her severe incontinence, and that she had spinal stenosis that was managed with physical therapy but she had no clue what her right hind leg was doing most of the time and just dragged her right leg around with the toes knuckled over.  She was also 14.5, just diagnosed with dementia, and was in early kidney failure.  She would have been an ideal candidate at 7 or 10, but not at 14 when she was getting confused and angry at the front and back doors changing the way they opened (they didn't, she just had dementia).   We obviously amputated with Nixon.  He had already gone through a horrific injury where it took 6 months to recover and I knew what kind of dog he was when faced with adversity.  He refused to ever give up. 

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