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Bandit- almost 8 year old Newfoundland-Osteosarcoma front leg
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29 March 2018 - 3:43 pm
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First of all, I know thisnis a kick in the gut for you to hear this news.

The important thing is Bandit didn't hear a word of it!!  Xrays don't mean squat in his world!!

While I know this is upsetting initially, I give you a STANDING OVATION for recognizing that, as far as Bandit is concerned, today is a great day and he will, indeed, have MANY more great days and weeks and months and, hopefully even years ahead of him!!

To recognize also that Bandit is not displaying ANY sysmptons is HUGE!   Truly-  That's really good news!!!  I say that especially because, even IF "symptons" do start to shown up, there are a lot of things that can be done to continue to keep Bandit comfortable and happy for more good extended quality time!

Others will chime in avout their experience with Palladia, so you can get some first hand accounts.  You might also check out Metronomics.  One question for the Vet regarding any of the drugs would ve that, if side effects do show up, how long after stopping the drug before side effects disappear??

Jist do like you've been dping every day since Bandit jumped i to your heart...MAKE EVERYDAY THE BEST DAY EVVVER!!  Continue to make every day count and do NOT let that poece of poopicon_png disease rob you of one second of your time with Bandit!!   Cheeseburgers, cheese pizza, ice cream, steak.....rummy rubs.....drinking out of the toilet.....whwtever Bandit wants, Bandit gets!!!

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Sally and Alumni Happy Hannah and Merry Myrtle and Frankie too!

Happy Hannah had a glorious additional bonus time of over one yr & two months after amp for osteo! She made me laugh everyday! Joined April's Angels after send off meal of steak, ice cream, M&Ms & deer poop!

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7 April 2018 - 6:48 am
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So, we started him on the Palladia and Losartan regimen Sunday night. He had no side affects whatsoever for the first 3 days and 2 doses, until....Wednesday evening. What appeared to be significant cramping, he couldn't stand up, couldn't walk...he barely moved all day Thursday. Bandit stood up twice, with significant coaching, to get some water.  Never went outside all day.  We stopped all medications except for the small dose of Rinadyl he has been taking. As of now, Saturday morning, he is almost back to "normal".  He's still having a little trouble walking, and seems a little uncomfortable.  I'm assuming that will be gone today or tomorrow.

The doctors want to put him back on the Palladia, but at a smaller dose.  I'm reluctant to put him back on anything, the medication roulette is not something I want to put him through. I checked the suggested dosage for the medications he is on, and his size, and it appears he is actually "under-dosed" now. He was certainly on the low side of the dosage recommendation.

We are unclear yet how fast the cancer is growing in his lungs.  The goal of these meds is to slow that down, but we don't want to go through all the discomfort and nonsense in the hope the cancer slows down  Based on what I have heard and read, I'm assuming he has +/- 60 days if we do nothing at this point, possibly longer if we find the right mix of meds and dosage. That said, even if we find the right mix and dosage the odds are 50/50 that this makes an impact on the cancer.

I really just want to get him back to "normal"...that was a pretty good place....

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7 April 2018 - 11:02 am
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I'm sorry Bandit had trouble on the meds.  You are right- normal is the place we all want to be.

Did the vet talk about other metronomic protocols?  Many here have done a protocol without palladia.

Here are some Blog Posts on Metronomics.

Not pushing for more meds, but wanted to be sure you had seen this option.

I've dealt with three cancers in two pugs.  Once I chose chose chemo, twice I declined.  You weigh what is best for you and your pack with life quality as the goal.  I found it helpful to write out the pros and cons, it helped me make a decision, and my notes helped later when the inevitable 'what if's' would pop into my head.

Karen and the Spirit Pug Girls

Tri-pug Maggie survived a 4.5 year mast cell cancer battle only to be lost to oral melanoma.

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You are doing a good job of staying focused on Bandit's QUALITY.   We all want more time...it's NEVER enought time...ever. But "extra" time without quality is not what our dogs, or us, ever  want.  Only humans focus on days on a calendar.

Not good enough to do the search, but  I'm pretty sure I recall loss of mobility with Palladia sometimes.   Normalcy returned once it was out of their system.   I'm not sure on this either, but it seems like I saw where it was given on an ecery other day basis in oncpe case.  Could be completely wrong.  Obviously I'm not a Vet!

Once Bandit bounces back, and he will, then you can maybe revisit what path you want to take...what path Bandit wants to take.

I will say this, when jt comes to mets, or pretty much anything on this journey, "projected timeframes"  just do not take in the individual dog and all the specifics related to that dog's individual scenario! 

Many, many dogs get QUALITY extended time even AFTER "symptons" appear.  And Bandit isn't even showir any real symptoms at all!!

Let us know how he's doing, okay?  It may take a few more days, but I think you'll jave your Bandit back to being Bandit fairly quickly now.

And btw, cheeseburgerq and a scoop of ice cream are always in order as a "nutritional" meal around here! 🙂 🙂

Lots of extra hugs

Sally and Alumni Happy Hannah and Merry Myrtle and Frankie too!

Happy Hannah had a glorious additional bonus time of over one yr & two months after amp for osteo! She made me laugh everyday! Joined April's Angels after send off meal of steak, ice cream, M&Ms & deer poop!

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Thanks for the replies, truly appreciated.  Bandit seems to have 95% of his mobility back, but just seems uncomfortable in general. Anyway, he's coming around.  Not sure what path we'll take going forward, I'll start looking into this tomorrow...

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