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Susie's eccrine adenocarcinoma diagnosis--anyone else's dog have this extremely rare cancer?
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My little 10-year-old Westie, Susie, was diagnosed with eccrine andenocarcinoma (she had two different biopsies at two different times, as I guess it's hard to diagnose) of the paw pad on her right front leg. Apparently, there is also apocrine adenocarcinoma, too, which is not quite as rare as the eccrine and maybe not quite as aggressive. I can't find much of anything online about the eccrine type, as apparently it's so rare that many vets have never seen a case.

 My ten-year Susie presented with a limp back in early October. Another family member was outside with her and she ran around the shed in the backyard--when she came back, she was limping.

We (and our local vet) thought she'd stepped on something in the backyard and cut her paw and then it had gotten infected, or that she still had a foreign body in the paw pad. (The vet tried cutting it out with a scissors at one point, but couldn't find anything.) Through the next few months, Susie was treated with four different oral antibiotics (one of them so strong that I had to wear rubber gloves in order to handle the pills so I didn't get aplastic anemia), plus an antibiotic ointment. (Susie had to wear a little sock on the affected paw all the time, so she didn't lick the paw and also so the ointment would stay on.)

So, three months and five antibiotics (counting the topical one) later, Susie was still limping and in pain (even crying and whimpering in her sleep), and the paw pad area had ulcerated and gotten much redder and bigger. I had been taking her in to see our local vet every single week since early October, and it was now late December! I asked the vet to do a culture to see what antibiotic the "infection" might respond to, so under general anesthesia, the local vet did the culture and the first biopsy. Susie was due for a dental cleaning, so the tech did that, too, and also pulled one of her teeth. While she was under anesthesia, they also probed once more for a foreign body, but again, didn't find one.

After the biopsy, she had to wear a splint for several days, but it rubbed pressure sores on her leg and she was in even more pain.

The culture came back first, and showed which antibiotic would work best for her infection (at this point, she apparently DID also have an infection or two), so we got yet another antibiotic to give her, but we were told that it would finally heal her, so everyone was relieved and happy.

Then, just a few days later, the biopsy came back (I had completely forgotten they'd even done a biopsy, and the vet said she felt as if she were robbing us by even doing it, as the prospect of that type of cancer was so rare that she'd only seen one other case in all her 30+ years of being a vet). I had an appointment for Susie that day, anyway (my twelfth in about as many weeks), and I'll never forget the look on the vet's face as she ushered us in. Blissfully unaware, I was joking around about how Susie resisted going into the vet's office, as she'd had so many bad experiences there over the past three months. I remember telling the vet, "I love you, Dr. ___, but I wish I didn't have to see you so much!" But neither the vet nor her tech cracked a smile. Instead, the vet told me, "The biopsy came back this morning. She has eccrine adenocarcinoma, a really nasty and severely aggressive form of cancer. The best case scenario is that her leg would be amputated, and even then the cancer could metastasize to her lungs or lymph nodes. She's an older dog, so you might want to think about euthanasia."

I had to turn around and face the wall to get control of my emotions. I didn't cry, as I was reeling from shock. For a solid minute, I believe my heart just stopped beating. That's what it felt like.

Then I blurted out, "Ten years old doesn't seem old to me, especially for a little terrier! Susie is a very young ten!" She has never really been sick (except for allergies, which nearly all Westies seem to have), and has been the healthiest dog I've ever had, with no real chronic health conditions. So I had expected her to live about 16 years.

The vet readily agreed with my decision to try to treat the cancer, and recommended specialists. She said she wished she'd done the biopsy sooner, rather than let the cancer keep growing for three months.

Anyway, I made an appointment with veterinary oncologists at the University about two hours' drive from my house. They "staged" Susie's cancer by taking chest X-rays, lymph node aspirations, and an abdominal ultrasound--all without any kind of anesthesia whatsoever. They didn't even let her have her regular pain med--Meloxidyl, which she'd been on since early October for the pain from the "infection." She wasn't allowed to eat all day.

But she was a little trouper, and the tests came back negative for any more cancer, although they weren't able to get anything from the aspiration of the lymph nodes closest to that leg.
Because of the Christmas and New Year's Day holidays, I couldn't get Susie in to see the soft tissue surgeons for two more weeks. It was hard celebrating the holidays, when Susie was whimpering and holding her paw up, and also constantly licking it. I thought she seemed very depressed. I knew she couldn't go on much longer, in so much pain. The Meloxidyl didn't seem to be helping much at all anymore.
We were told we could have the surgery done by our local vet at a much lower cost than having it done at the University veterinary medicine teaching hospital, but I didn't want Susie staying overnight all alone the first night after her surgery. We decided to have it done at the University facility, and we stayed at the Holiday Inn Express there during the four nights that Susie was in the hospital, so that we'd be close by, and also we could visit her twice a day on the two days following surgery, at times dictated by the veterinary student's convenience.

I took her in to see the surgeon who would oversee the resident performing the surgery (I really liked her) and the veterinary student in charge of Susie's case, who was fabulous. They decided to run liver and kidney function tests on Susie the first day she was in the hospital (the day and night before surgery) to make sure she didn't have anything bad going on because of being on a daily dose of Meloxidyl for so long.

She had her surgery on Wednesday, and the supervising surgeon told me she was a "rock star" and didn't need any blood transfusions. The next day she was in Intensive Care, but we were still able to see her for fifteen minutes at a time twice that day. The bad news was that her IV blocked up almost immediately after surgery, so she was no longer able to get fentanyl and fluids by continuous infusion. They tried one of the rear legs, and the vein collapsed. (Both legs are still very bruised and swollen.) She has been on oral codeine and Meloxidyl ever since the IV catheter got blocked after surgery, but they only want her on pain meds for the week immediately following surgery, so that means tomorrow is her last day. That kind of scares me, as I can tell she's still in pain, and she is also experiencing phantom limb pain. They are worried about the side effects of long-term use of the Meloxidyl, as she's been on it since October, and actually wanted her off it as of today.

They also biopsied the lymph node closest to her leg, and it did show a small amount of cancer. So that's scary.

Also they kept her an extra day in the hospital, since they didn't like the look of her incision, as part of it appears to have lost its blood supply. I was told they could eventually debride the tissue to get new skin growing in that area. That sounds painful to me!

We checked out of the Holiday Inn Express near the veterinary hospital after she was discharged on Saturday, and life has been very stressful and intense since then. I'm concerned that her pain is not under control, and concerned that she is too stressed-out by the E-collar to wear it. (We found a Comfy Cone collar to substitute for the hard rigid collar they sent her home in, but she went into a panic attack just minutes after my putting it on her. I think she got claustrophobic over the lack of peripheral vision.) She's a super-sensitive dog. So I feel as if I have to watch her every minute. I've cancelled all my work-related trips for January and February so that I can work at home and take care of her. I got rid of my Queen-sized bed and am using a twin-sized thin mattress (from Aldi!) on the living room floor. I bought her an orthopedic dog bed , but she seems to prefer my camp bed, so I was worried I'd be sleeping on the dog bed! (However, we can both somehow squeeze onto the very narrow mattress.)

She's wearing a Thundershirt (that I originally bought for her because she developed a fear of thunderstorms), and so far, has shown no interest in chewing on the incision area underneath the Thundershirt. However, she's been sedated from the codeine (and all pain meds end after tomorrow, because they felt she only needed them for a week following surgery). I did see her possibly licking the shirt at one point, but she stopped quickly (and the shirt didn't even feel wet). I'm still scared that she'll get more interested in her stitches once she's off all meds the day after tomorrow.

She is also licking the paw of her remaining front leg, and that paw looks red to me, so I'm scared to death she's developed cancer in it, too.

I asked the veterinary student about the inflatable donut e-collars, and she told me the one she bought for her own dog popped! We bought a less hard e-Collar while Susie was still in the hospital and showed it to the veterinary student, but she thought it might be too flimsy. So we had to take it back to the pet store in the area.

I'm having trouble getting her to eat and to drink water. She prefers to just lie in my bed on the floor of the living room most of the day. I feel stressed-out just taking my eyes off her to do anything at all, since she gets so freaked out by the hard plastic cone and also the Comfy Cone, so she isn't wearing them.

Any suggestions?

Also, the oncologist wants us to bring Susie back to the veterinary hospital (two hours' drive away) every three months for more chest X-rays, abdominal ultrasounds and lymph node biopsies. But the oncologist told me that chemo and radiation don't seem to be effective on this type of cancer. She did admit that, since it's so extremely rare, they can't offer any prognosis. I am wondering if all these tests are necessary (they would definitely not help with Susie's quality of life, as she was so desperate to get away from that hospital and would be scared to death we'd leave her there again each time we brought her in), since treating the cancer if it did spread to the lungs or lymph nodes would not seem to make any difference, anyway, or might not even be an option. It would be very traumatic for Susie, as she didn't even like the fact that her stomach was shaved for the ultrasound. (Of course, she is now shaved all over.)
Any ideas?

And is there anyone else out there whose dog was diagnosed with eccrine adenocarcinoma or is Susie the only tripawd with it in this group?

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Holy cow! I cannot believe what you and Susie jave been through! I guess you are exhausted and stressed out! I'd probably be in a nut house somewhere by now!!

Okay, some deep breaths.....really....B R E A T H E.....B R E A T H E......B R E A T H E....
YOU ARE NOT ALONE! We are right by your side, okay?

I mentioned on yiur other post that dogs are usually sent home with Tramadol, Gabapentin (which helps if there is phantom pai ), Rimadyl and an antibiotic. .ost dogs stay on these, or combination thereor), for anywhere from ten days to two, and sometimes three weeks. This is majr surgery and it hurts!!

I'm not familiar with the drug she is on (in the Meloxicam family perhaps?) and I don't know why they think she won't need pain pills this early in recovery. I can certainly understand if they need ro take her off that drug ifnit is showing signs of starting to do damage. I'm certainly no vet so I jave no clue how effective codeine is in handling surgery pain.

It's certainly not unusual at all that Susie just wants to lay around and doesn't feel like eating. Her poor tummy is probably pretty messed up from all those antibiotics. It certainly seems like Murphy's Law has been in p@ace ever sense October!

Is sjhe drinking and peeing and pooping okay? Does she seem nauseous at the sight of food? Perhaps the vet coukd give her an appetite stimulate OR something to coat her tummy and stop the nausea.

As far as her otherpaw looking red, that's not unusual for the laws of the remaining legs to show some wear and tear as the dogs readjust to three legs.

For now, just keep things chunked down and focus on getting her lain managed and recovery. You don't need to make yourse worry even more by thinking about bringing Susie in for xrays, etc. three months from now. You may not even want to go back to the same vets after everything you've been through!

If you are able to keep an eye on Susie, I woukd try and @eave the cone off as much as possible. She doesn't need anymore stress either.

I KNOW it's jard, but try and keep your energy strong and confident. Susie will pick up on that and it will help her attitude too.

I agree with you. Ten is NOT old for a Terrier! She is so ADORABLE! You can just see she has spunk!

Now, as far as pain meds, unless there is some underlying reason why Susie can't be on Tramadol and Gabapentin, I would be adamant that she needs pain pills. Are there other vets you can go to in your area if you aren't confident in these anymore?

Another suggestion. I know yoj are probably tired of hopping around on the site, but I urge you to post this under Ask A Vet. It may take her a day or so to see it, but she really knows her stuff! She joined years ago because her Mastiff had an amputation due tomosteo. She has stayed on to help others.

I am in aw of your strength! Give yourself credit for staying the course! You are a powerful advocate for Susie and it is crystal clear you love her immensely!!

Okay, remember, keep things chunked down...BREATHE...get her through recovery, pain managed and back to eating. Everything else will become more clear once you see her quality come back and her sparkle return!

Oh, and eat bags and bags of chocolate! I usually just recommend one bag, but in your case, several bags are required!!

Sending lots of love and hugs! Can't wait to see more pics of this cutie pie!

Sally and Alumni Happy Hannah and Merry Myrtle and Frankie too!

Happy Hannah had a glorious additional bonus time of over one yr & two months after amp for osteo! She made me laugh everyday! Joined April's Angels after send off meal of steak, ice cream, M&Ms & deer poop!

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Thank you so much, Sally!

I talked with the veterinary student yesterday and she was adamant that Susie be off all meds by a week after surgery. I'm wondering if I should call the local vet here and ask if she could recommend something for the pain.

As for the cone, I agree, as Susie was still shaking a half-hour after I removed the Comfy Cone last night. But then I had nightmares all night about her ripping out the stitches, as she wasn't wearing either of the cones that freak her out so much. However, she still hasn't shown any interest in bothering the stitches. (I think the fact that she's wearing the Thundershirt really helps.)

I am planning to give her the Meloxidyl (and yes, I think it's the generic form of Meloxicam) until I run out of it, even though the student thought she should be off it four days after surgery. And then, if she still seems to be in pain, I'll call the local vet here to plead my case. I'm thinking Gabapentin might help with the Phantom Limb Pain, which she certainly seems to be having.

It's hard to even pick her up and carry her outside, as the stitches cover such a large area, and she sometimes screams in pain if we accidentally put pressure on the incision. It's nerve-racking to even think about doing it, because we don't want to hurt her. And it's awkward trying to hold her while desperately trying not to touch the painful area. She tried to leap out of another family member's arms while outside tonight, and fell headfirst onto the deck, hitting her head (because she keeps thinking her amputated leg is still there and was trying to land on it), and then she cried. So heartbreaking to hear her whimpering and crying! I don't know if I'm going to be able to last until January 21, when she goes back to see if the stitches can come out. (They might decide to leave them in even longer---help!)

And she did pee twice today, but tonight when we took her outside, she did not. I'm scared our backyard deck will get snowy and icy and I'll slip and fall while trying to get her outside. (We made a homemade ramp out of a spare door to help her get down the deck without using the three steps, but she has shown no interest in using it.) And the ground in the backyard is uneven, so she has taken a few tumbles, which seems to make her even more depressed. I would say her quality of life right now is pretty terrible.

Also, how do you post pics?

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I am so computer challenged it's not even funny. I've searched and searched for all the links in how to post photos and never can findnthem! Someone will come along though with a "how ro" link.

Sorry for calling Susie a Terrier"...she's a precious Westie!!

Yeah, I woukd DEFINITELY talk to a vet about getting more pain meds. If it's yiur regular vet, make sure she knows everything she's on now and it's not cutting the mistard.

Can you put a towel sling under Susie to sort of guide her and balance her. I know she might freeze though, some dogs do. Do you have any old scatter rugs yiu coukd put on the "ramp" to prevent her from sliding on the ice?if she's a@ready peed twice today, I wouldn't be concerned if she didn't pee tonight. She'll probably go in the.morning. if not, give yiur vet a call.

She'll have a few face plants, but she'll figure things out. She will!

I know eight now it feels like you are doing this TO Susie. It's really hard dure recovery to realize you are doing this FOR Susie, but you are! It sounds like she just needs to have her pain managed a bit better. Her quality WILL be restored! Promise!!

You hang in there, okay? Try, try, try and get some rest! Susie will be a puppy again with that painful law gone once she gets through recovery!

Sending you some zzzz's

Happy Hannah had a glorious additional bonus time of over one yr & two months after amp for osteo! She made me laugh everyday! Joined April's Angels after send off meal of steak, ice cream, M&Ms & deer poop!

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Woooowwwww. If you could have heard how many times I said "OH MY DOG" as I read your story. You poor guys, and Susie, wow, what a long road. I'm so sorry!

First, I'm SUPER glad you took her to a university and had the surgery done there too. Which school is it? You really get GREAT care at teaching hospitals and we can't recommend them enough.

Sally gave you some fabulous insight, and she's so right, this is a ruff time right now but it will get better. Small dogs bounce back so well, it just takes time especially with Susie because her body's been through so much. But I have no doubt she'll be lovin' life and that happy girl once again. Stay strong and remember that our animals reflect our emotions. Whatever we put out there, they give right back. Project confidence and she will too! Project sadness and well . . . you know the rest.

Meanwhile yes, let the hospital know you believe she's still in pain and want some other type of medication for her. They should be more than willing to help. Let us know OK?

And thanks for starting this new topic. Some day another pet parent will be looking for information just as you were, and you and Susie will be here to help. So thanks.

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I'm not a vet (or a doctor), but I did a search on pubmed and found one report of an eccrine carcinoma in a small terrier (http://www.ncbi.....MC3609359/) and it seems apocrine and eccrine refer to the same thing:

In dogs, the eccrine gland is located only in the foot pad, while the apocrine gland distributed in all sites of the skin. 

The listed article talks mostly about how to diagnose it from the biopsy but there it also talks a little about how rare it is and how it spreads. There is also mention of the use of 5-Fluorouracil (an old-line chemo drug) and that it gave a complete response in a human. 

And this article (http://www.ncbi.....PMC340017/) which studied apocrine carcinomas with this line near the end:

Dogs with completely excised AACs that did not invade vasculature appear to have a relatively good prognosis (30 mo median survival). Confirmed distant metastatic rate of AACs appears to be very low (2%) and it is associated with intravascular invasion.

That last little bit sounds good, right?

I know this is perhaps not a lot of help getting you through this immediate period but it might give you some more information to pursue w/ the vets.

Denise, Bill and Angel Ellie

Active 10+ Pyr mix suddenly came up lame with ACL tear in left rear leg. Scheduled for a TPLO but final pre-op x-rays indicated a small suspicious area, possibly OSA, which could have caused the ACL tear. Surgeon opened the knee for TPLO but found soft bone. Biopsy came back positive for OSA. Became a Tripawd 9/18/14. Carbo6 with Cerenia and Fluids. Pain free and living in the moment. Crossed the Bridge on 7/12/15 after probable spread of cancer to her cervical spine. A whole lifetime of memories squeezed into 10 months. Here's her story: Eloise

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Thank you so much, Sally and Jerry. I should add that Susie's liver and kidney functions tested fine when they did the bloodwork prior to surgery, so the Meloxidyl (Meloxicam) had caused no side effects up until then.

Jerry, Susie saw an oncologist and also had her surgery at the Veterinary Health Center at Kansas State University. The vets, residents, and students come from all over the world to teach there and train there. Susie's veterinary student is from Connecticut, and her oncologist is from Australia!

I asked if Susie could be put into a clinical trial, but the oncologist said that wouldn't be possible, as Susie would be the only one in the world in it! Her type of cancer is just so rare, even in people.

And, Sally, it's great that you called Susie a "terrier"--I love little terriers! I had a Cairn terrier as a child, then three Yorkies, and now a Westie. I love that kind of dog so much because they're so full of it! They have such unique personalities. They're also highly intelligent and think for themselves and make their own decisions!

My last Yorkie died a couple of years ago after battling a brain tumor (with seizures) for over a year at age 16, and I expected Susie to live at least that long.

As I said, Susie is the healthiest dog I've ever had--no chronic conditions, except for the allergies that just about all Westies seem to get (and hers were controlled by cutting out corn and wheat from her diet, and giving her fish oil capsules, plus brewer's yeast with garlic). She's also the most sensitive dog I've ever had, and is super-sweet. She's not very food-motivated (completely unlike the male Yorkies I've had!), and is suspicious of new foods, which makes going through this post-recovery period even more of a challenge.

I'll post more later, as I have to give Susie her 2 p.m. codeine pill, but in the meantime, thank you, thank you, thank you!

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K-state? That's awesome! She's definitely getting some great care!

OK let us know how today goes, we're hoping for more improvement from your little spunky girl.

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Thanks so much, Jerry!

And, Denise (or is it Bill?), I can't remember if I read it online or was told by the oncologist, but I know one source said that eccrine cancer is rarer than apocrine, and can be more malignant and aggressive. I know they're thought of as separate kinds of cancers (although both arising from sweat glands) by oncologists. But thank you for the information! I did find one case online, too--just not sure if it was that one.

Since there have been so few dogs with this type of cancer, they haven't been able to do any studies, so I was told no one really knows what the prognosis might be. I guess that's why they want me to bring her back every three months for staging.

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And I know they repeated the biopsy at K-State to differentiate between the apocrine and eccrine types of adenocarcinoma, since the apocrine type (less rare and less aggressive, I was told) can also occur on the foot pads. But again, even the specialists know so little about it, since it hardly ever occurs, so who knows? They can't conduct clinical trials since there aren't enough dogs diagnosed each year.





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K-state is a great teaching hospital our vet actually just left the practice here and went there to teach 4th year students in general medicine.  She is the one who helped me with my Sassy.  Consulted numerous times the Oncologists down there (we don't have any here in Omaha/Council Bluffs).   The thing I found was that even though they are students they still answer to a Vet and you are your dogs advocate.  If you think she is still in pain then you need to push to talk to the actual Vet on the case.  They will talk to you they are there to answer your questions.

I took my 2 girls there for their spay and gastropexies (tummy tacking) and I know they give codeine for all pain down there.  I think its because of the laws with Narcotics unless its really bad they don't use the Tramadol (easier to monitor the codeine). 

Great vet school.  I am sorry to hear it is such a rare cancer.  I had never heard of it before

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Michelle & Angel Sassy

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Thanks so much, Michelle! I know that immediately after surgery, Susie was on a continuous infusion of fentanyl, codeine, and Meloxidyl (Meloxicam), plus fluids, but her IV stopped working. They tried another vein (in a back leg), but the vein collapsed. They said they didn't want to ruin all her veins, so they just started giving her the codeine and Meloxidyl orally. I did ask about a fentanyl patch, and was told they didn't use them. They also said they didn't think Tramadol was that effective.

I'm glad to hear your vote of confidence for K-State! Did you ever meet Dr. Wouda (oncologist)? I live in Lawrence, KS--that's why I stayed at the Holiday Inn Express in Manhattan, KS, for four nights while Susie was in the hospital. The tech at my local vet recommended the team of Dr. Higginbotham and Dr. Hocker (a resident who's leaving in May), and that's whom I was told Susie's appointment was with for the initial staging of her cancer, but when I got there, those vets were busy, and so I saw the other team (Dr. Wouda and someone whom I suspected was a first-year student).

Did you find that they stopped all pain meds very quickly after surgeries? This is Susie's last day on any meds at all, and it's only been a week since her right front leg amputation.

I know the oncologist didn't sedate her at all or give her any calming meds (not even the Meloxicam she was already on, as she couldn't have anything to eat or drink after 10 p.m. the night before her appointment) before her chest X-rays, lymph node needle aspirations, and abdominal ultrasound.





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Dr Higginbothom was one of our Oncologists and in fact the one Dr Boyer consulted with after Sassy passed because we had a discussion of spaying my new girls and I wanted to wait.  Dr Boyer recommended early and I said consult the Oncologist so we got it would be ok to wait til the bones closed on their own so they were spayed about 18 months. 

I am not sure if Dr Wouda was another one or not.  There were several and to be honest I can't remember who she said she consulted after DR Higginbothom.   Yes, I found that they weaned the girls of Codeine earlier than I would have liked but I would have called my vet if I thought they needed longer. They seemed not like in pain.  I stayed 4 nights in Manahattan when the girls were spayed and gastropexies Quality Inn was where I stayed it was pet friendly just in case I needed it.

Now, I went to my regular vet for Sassy's amputation and we did like 2 weeks of Tramadol, Rimadyl and Sassy came home with fentanyl patch.  then we went another month on Rimadyl. 

They probably did a local for the needle aspirations to numb it a little.  X-rays and ultrasound are not invasive so they wouldn't have needed to give her anything for that. 

I liked the facilities down there if I needed to go back I would. 

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Michelle & Angel Sassy

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13 January 2016 - 8:30 pm
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Thanks and ((((hugs)))) back, Michelle! Dr. April Haynes was the surgeon in charge of Susie's case (although I think a resident, whom I never met or talked with, actually performed the surgery). We just met her once, but I really liked her. The veterinary student whom we saw on a regular basis and who was taking care of Susie, really bonded with Susie. It helped so much to know that Susie liked her from the beginning.

I think you'd remember Dr. Wouda if you'd met her, as she is from Australia and has a wry sense of humor that I enjoyed. I told her passionately (when she mentioned how expensive the surgery and treatments, etc. would be) that I would sell everything I owned if it would mean helping Susie, and she replied, dryly, "Oh, please don't do that."

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13 January 2016 - 9:17 pm
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Small world, hun? There's another dog who went to Kansas State too, Mollie Moo.

I saw the response to your post u der the Ask theVet.

Just my two cents, since you have seen signs of Susie being in pain and she's still on Codeine, I would definitely see about getting the Tramadol, or at least extending the Codeine. The Meloxicam is good for anti inflammatory bjt it's not a very strong "pain med", especially for major surgery! As noted bynyou and Michelle, Kansas State seems ro have a different approach to the pain meds they use, versus what rhe majority of the Surgeons use on this site.

Well Miss Susie,leave it ro you to have a "dieease" that is ...well....exclusively yours! The way I see it,since there are no real statistics, etc., you can make of your own rules about how this will play out! So you will be victorious and we will be celebrating birthdays with you well into your seventeenth uear or more!!clap

A d besides, you've got some Yorkies and a Terrier as your Guardian Angels! You'll be just fine!

Love to all!

Sally and Alumni Happy Hannah and Merry Myrtle and Frankie too!

Happy Hannah had a glorious additional bonus time of over one yr & two months after amp for osteo! She made me laugh everyday! Joined April's Angels after send off meal of steak, ice cream, M&Ms & deer poop!

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