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Should we start chemo after 9 months after amputation?
16 July 2011
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Last October 2010 our boxer Gabby was amputated and diagnosed with osteosarcoma. The hardest part is that she was only 2 years old. The cancer was in her front leg up in the shoulder area. The vet ampuated the entire arm. When she was in the vets care a few things went wrong. First I noticed that after her surgery she was bleeding much more than "normal". I finnaly conviced the vet that it was not "normal" like they kept telling me. After they did blood work, they found out she was in fact bleeding internally.

They had to go back in and tie off more veins. Then when she was at the vet "healling" she got some really bad infection, which they thought was from a poisoness spider bite on her back leg. The skin ended up getting so bad they had to remove a large chuck on the "dead" skin. For many months she had a softball size hole in her leg, that had to slowly heal on it own, which has taken a very long time. So since she had such a huge hole in her leg, we were never able to start the chemo medicine.

It is now 9 months after her amputation. Her back leg is pretty much all healed up, and we just got some blood work done, and new chest x rays this weekend. Both the blood work was perfect, and the 3 lung x rays showed no cancer metastasis. This is good news, so we met with the oncologist. She gave us the normal information "with amputation only they live for 4-6 months", and with chemo they have "10 to 12 months". So she said since gabby has already gone way past these numbers, she cannot give us an accurate number if we decided to do the chemo therapy.

I went ahead and made the appointment to start the first round this thursday july 21st, but still am having second thoughts. Not really sure why I am even on this website, maybe i just needed to talk to someone….

 

-paul

16 July 2011
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Welcome Paul and Gabby!

 

"Talking" is a good thing!   We have all found ourselves needing this site just to talk, celebrate,  laugh and cry!  So glad you found us.

 

I'm so sorry about Gabby.  It must be so hard with her so young.  It's not bad enough to have cancer but at such a young age must really be hard. 

I'm sorry you had to go at this alone.  It's even tougher when you aren't exactly getting the support you need from a vet.  We understand.  I had a vet tell me my dog might have a black widow bite too.  He died while running test a couple of hours later.   It wasn't.  It was an unknown cancerous tumor on the heart that burst.  Thank goodness, I did an autopsy or I would have been spraying my yard every day for spiders for the rest of my life!! 

Gabby is a beautiful dog.  We have other boxers here too!  So, you are in good company. 

As far as chemo, we have many here that have it and many that did not.  Just from our experience here, chemo may or may not make a difference.  Some live longer without it and some live longer with it.  To be honest, there isn't a clear pattern.  It's a personal choice but it's not the magic bullet either. 

Our thoughts are:  if you want to do it, do it.  If you don't want to do it, then don't.   We concern ourselves more with getting rid of the pain that is caused by cancer and/or an injury.  Eliminating pain is what we really advocate.  Quality vs. Quantity.  We want them to live forever!  But with cancer, it's such a strange disease and there is no commonality with it.

 

I didn't have a cancer dog, i had a birth defect 3-legged dog, so others will be more helpful and I'm sure they will chime in.

Best wishes,

Angel Comet's mom

 

P.S.  When you come back to the site, logout and log back in.  Your posts will show up immediately.  The first post won't.

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16 July 2011
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Welcome to you and Gabby!  Statistics are only numbers, some of us have the great fortune to beat all the numbers, others aren't so lucky. Most (again statistics) begin chemo within the first couple of weeks.  That is when it is thought to do the most good.  That said, you are past the odds, doing well, so what can it hurt?

Trouble had five rounds of chemo and had minimum, short duration (hours) side effects.  I made the decision with the first treatment to discontinue if her quality of life was compromised by the treatment. You can do the same.  Just because you start treatment doesn't mean you must continue.

It is a hard decision to make.  One you have to make based on the information you have and always with quality of life in mind.

We will support you regardless of the decision, for we all know how personal these decisions are.

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16 July 2011
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We chose not to do IV chemo after Jerry's front leg amp due to osteosarcoma in the scaplua. Seventeen months later we started him on metronomics (low dose oral chemo) and K9 Immunity after discovering his lung mets.

Check out our vet oncology videos for lots of more info. As far as time goes, try to focus on quality not quantity!

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16 July 2011
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Hi Paul

So sorry your Gabby has been through so much stuff at such a young age. But on the other hand her back leg has healed and you have clean chest x rays after 9 months! That's wonderful!

I just started chemo with my Lylee. I was unsure what to do but so far I'm really feeling good about going ahead with chemo to give her the best chance to be with us for as long as possible. We are doing 6 rounds of Carboplatin. If at anytime we don't think Lylee is having a good quality of life we can stop the chemo.

Gabby is a young girl and so you can always start and then not continue if you don't like the side effects which can really vary with each dog. Lylee just seemed a bit lethargic and off her food for a few days so far. We took her to the beach on day 7 after her chemo and she is rolling and digging in the sand! I put a video on her blog (I sound a bit manic with joy! whatever)

We really don't know how much the chemo will help but we are trying everything.

Whatever you decide it is all the right decision.  We love our furkids.

Sending best wishes,

Lylee's Mum

17 July 2011
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THANKS everyone for the kind words and help!!

I went ahead and sold my favorite toy, my apple MacBook pro, to help pay for the chemotherapy. Our first session is this Thursday. I will keep you guys posted on how Gabby is doing. I will also post a new YouTube video of Gabby running around with her sister, our black boxer Fendi. Fendi is very very agile and very fast, but Gabby somehow can very easily stay on her heals with the 3 legs!!

After reading through your great website, that new studies showed that 6 treatments of chemotherapy are better than 4. However, I asked that question when I met with the oncologist and she said anything over 4 does not help….

Thanks again for all the kind words, it's been a hard journey for my wife and I, but we wouldn't have changed a thing. Watching gabby pain free these last 9 months has been Amazing. Our son is 19 months old, and is Gabbys best friend!

17 July 2011
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gabbydog said:

I went ahead and sold my favorite toy, my apple MacBook pro, to help pay for the chemotherapy…

oh-my That's love!

when I met with the oncologist and she said anything over 4 does not help…

Dr. Rosennberg (in the video) is a Board certified oncologist who reported the news about six Carboplatin treatments from their 2009 annual conference. The effectiveness and number of recommended treatments may be different for other chemotherapy protocols. We have another video of Dr. Chretin discussing Doxyrubicin vs. Cisplatin. What chemo drug will Gabby be getting?

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17 July 2011
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from my oncologist:

 

"It is highly likely that chemotherapy would improve Gabby's survival time, however how long this time may be is not easy to predict as we are already 9 months into her disease process. We would typically recommend a carboplatin chemotherapy protocol, and this protocol is well-tolerated."

18 July 2011
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Hey Paul,

Hmmm. Interesting. Well, every doc has their own protocols they like to follow, it's best to go with the one that works for you and Gabby. Remember that even with chemo there are no guarantees, we've known lots of dogs who have beaten the odds without it too. Go with your gut and what feels right, you can't go wrong.

Let us know how things are going OK?

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18 July 2011
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Wishing you all the best with Gabby!

 

Keep us posted!

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