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Hello Everyone,

My name is Rhonda and our dog Otis is an 8.5 year old Great Dane -  English Mastiff X.  He is my heart dog.  He is my everything.    I have done TTouch with him so we have a special connection that the other members of my family do not.

Otis started limping on Christmas eve 12/24/16.  We had him to the vet on Tuesday evening. We were worried he was becoming arthritic due to his age and life expectancy of the breeds.  The vet examined Otis and told us he needed sedated and xrays.  However it was late in the day and she didn't want to sedate him that day. 

The look on the vet's face said it all.  I asked if she suspected cancer because it was not a joint or soft tissue, there is a small lump that is hard as a rock.  I raced home and did researched and realized just how serious this is!  I thought oh well we can just tripod him and he'll be fine.  It's not that clear cut now I see.

We brought him back for xrays on Thursday and the vet was sure it is bone cancer.  Lungs looked clear from what she could see.  Friday I scheduled an appointment for 1/5/17 to see a board certified oncologist to verify the diagnosis and go over options. 

We started Otis on Cosequin years ago to prevent his joints from going bad too early.  2 1/2 years ago I purchased Trupanion pet insurance for him.  I had always thought we would be facing bloat or hip dysplasia some day.  Never cancer. 

After looking at pics and stories on other sites, the thought of amputation seemed barbaric to me.  After finding this site, I understand how it takes the pain away and the inconvenience of the hopping is not pain.  If it was not for this site, I would have made a terrible decision to do pain management and not considered other options. 

After we explore our options, I now have no reason to be against amputation.  His vet is worried he is too deep chested and big for it because it's his left front leg.  I hope that amputation is not taken off the table as a choice.

We are so scared and worried for Otis 🙁

Otis - 121 lbs pre amp - 114 lbs post amp and now 118 lb Great Dane - English Mastiff X.  Started limping on 12/24/16.  Diagnosed with Osteosarcoma 12/28/16 - amputation of front left leg on 1/6/17.  Stitches out and 1st round of Chemo on 1/19/17.   2nd round of Carboplatin on 2/10/17 - 3rd round on 3/2/2017.  4th round was scheduled for 3/22/17 - however due to low WBC postponed - 4th Chemo completed on 3/28/17.  Had breathing difficulties, stayed in Tufts ICU overnight.  Due for 2 more rounds of Chemo but we are opting to go with homeopathy with Dr. Loops instead.

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Hello and welcome, your future posts will not have to wait for approval.

I'm sorry you have had to find your way here, but now that you are here you and Otis are family.  No matter how you decide to proceed you will find lots of help and support here. 

We have had many large and giant breed dogs here who do well after amputation.  My local friend Cemil is an Anatolian Shephard who weighed 150 pounds at the time of his front amp for OSA.  Close to 8 years later he is still here- he doesn't get far these days but he is still a happy boy.

Cemil's 7 year story.

Karen and the Spirit Pug Girls

Tri-pug Maggie survived a 4.5 year mast cell cancer battle only to be lost to oral melanoma.

1999 to 2010

 

              Maggie's Story                  Amputation and Chemo

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Sorry you find yourself here, but under the circumstances, there is no better place to be for support, understanding, information and first-hand experience.

Yes, this is scary and very exhausting mentally, physically and emotionally!! Of course, none of this is bothering Otis. Well, his leg hurts, but you're gonna get that taken care of.

And YAY for clear xrays!!

Yeah, many "regular" Vets aren't as ipen to amputation as Orthopedic Surgeons are! They'll evaluate Otis next week and make sure there are no hidden structural issues that can make mobility difficult.

How much does your cuddle bear Otis weigh? My Happy Hannah was a 125 lb Bull Mastiff and had zero mobility issues! She jad a very rough recovery for several weeks, but adjusted to walke as a tripawd just fine! I

'm sure yiur boy is much bigger! Karen mentioned Cemil. We also have a Mastiff here named Big Lou. I think he's arou d 150 lbs, actually maybe more, and is doing terrific!! It took him about two weeks to get his sea leags. Every dog is differe t.. every recovery is different.

We jave a MAGNIFICENT Great Dane here named Eurydice! She's a front legger and travels through life pain free and happy!!

All surgery, human or animal, has a risk. Talk thise over with your Vet. Complications can happen. Obviously, all of us here, felt like we HAD to take the risk and TRY to give our dogs and cats extended QUALITY time pain free!!

STAY CONNECTED!! You and Otis are not alone in this journey, okay? Ask any question you may have!! There's a whole lot of firsthand experience here!!

We'll look for yiur uldate AND pictures of your spectacular boy!!! 🙂

Lots a d lots of hugs!

Sally and Alumni Happy Hannah and Merry Myrtle and Frankie too!

Happy Hannah had a glorious additional bonus time of over one yr & two months after amp for osteo! She made me laugh everyday! Joined April's Angels after send off meal of steak, ice cream, M&Ms & deer poop!



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Hi Otis and family 🌹🐶

Although I am really sorry you are joining us I am glad you found us 🌻

All of us have been where you are and totally understand how shocking a diagnosis cancer is ... 

But you got it all right.

Osteo is excruciatingly painful and surgery removes the pain instantly.

Recovery can be hard, especially for big dogs but it surely doesn't last forever and we are here to guide you and hold your hand and Otis's paw every step of the way.

My girl Eurydice weighed 77kg pre amp and currently weighs 69kg and is a front legger.

Being a Great Dane, she is as deep chested as your boy ...

I can reassure you right now being big, deep chested and heavy are NO impediment to surgery.

If you wish to see how well a big dawg can do on 3 legs we are posting on Anything Goes forum under Eurydice's travels in Europe with lung mets 7 1/2 months after amputation.

But I suspect you don't need convincing, you already know in your heart Otis can deal with this 💪🏽👍🏼 

Remember, we are all here and will help you in any way we can!

Sending you a huge hug and cuddles to your cutie 😘😘😘💞🐶

Eurydice 77kg/170lb Great Dane limping end of April 2016, amputation (right front leg/osteosarcoma) 4 May 2016 6 courses of carboplatin followed by metronomic therapy, lung mets found 30 Nov 2016. 3 courses of doxorubicin, PET scan 26 Jan 2017 showed more mets so stopped chemo. Holistic route April 2017. Lung X-ray 5 May 2017 showed several tennis ball size mets, started cortisone and diuretics. Miss Cow earned her XXL silver wings 12 June 2017, 13 months and 1 week after amputation and 6 1/2 months after lung mets, she was the goofiest dawg ever and is now happily flying from cloud to cloud woof woofing away :-) 

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My Otis, a lab/Dane mix, was "small", at 106 pounds pre-surgery.   He was also very deep chested, and had arthritis in his hips.  He did great on three!  Although he did not live as long as we had hoped, the time we had was quality time.  He was happy, and life as a tripawd was good.  No regrets!

Otis - 106 pound lab/Dane mix, lost his right front leg to osteosarcoma on Febuary 9, 2016.  Four rounds of carboplatin completed in April, 2016.  Lung mets August 25, 2016.  Said goodbye too soon on September 4, 2016.   Lost his adopted sister, Tess, suddenly on October 9, 2016. likely due to hemangiosarcoma.  

Wherever they are, they are together.

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I am so sorry that you find yourself here, but as you have seen in the circumstances there is no better place for understanding, information and support.

I was struck by the fact that you said this

I hope that amputation is not taken off the table as a choice.

And just wanted to underline that this is YOUR choice, not anybody else's. You know Otis best. It sounds to me as if you already have a good idea how he will cope. Advice from vets is important, of course. But you must not feel options are being removed because of one person's opinion. If that does happen, please seek a second opinion, or a third. Different vets have different experience and will therefore have different views. I was told quite categorically by a leading orthopaedic surgeon that amputation was not an option for my Meg. She almost lost her life in consequence. Almost ten months post amp, she really could not be happier or enjoying a better quality of life.

Sending all positive wishes for you and Otis.

Meg, Clare and Elsie Pie xxx

Ruby, Staffy, born June 2022, became a Tripawd, 23 November 2023, adopted 12 January 2024.

Also Angel Tripawd Meg (aka The Megastar), who died in April 2023, aged 14, after seven glorious years on three, and Angel Staffies Pie and Bille. In the pawprints of giants...

The Amazing Adventures of Ruby Tuesday 

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Ditto what Meg says! Could not have said it better!

Sometimes it seems as if we are in such a fog of shock that we rely on the voice of our vet: not wrong, I LOVE 90% of my vets!!! (Hehehe...)

But to give you an example: CharlieBear my WonderBear has an infiltrative lipoma ( surgically removed but growing back) and now his right front leg is acting as if it has a PNST ( including atrophying). After all the diagnostics and all of the VET SCHOOL consults from soft tissue surgery, orthopedics, neurology, oncology, radiology oncology, emergency ( dang, did I leave anyone out) , even they could not agree on a plan of action. The surgeon literally was going to do a massive operation ( cracking open his chest like open heart surgery), etc. the next day!!! The radiation oncologist said the site may be radiated ( even though 2 years ago we were told no after his surgery) and the oncologist ( who is married to the neurologist) said she and her husband were going back and forth on what to do (if anything!). And these are all EXPERTS in their fields. Now, as Meg says, each vet brings their own experiences and own views/ " biases". If the oncologist had not stepped in, CharlieBear would likely not have a leg right now. I decided to go with the oncologist and her husband's decisions because I trust her implicitly. She treated CharlieBear two years ago and my previous WonderPyr Heffalump before that. 

You know your Otis better than anyone and after 2nd, 3rd, and 4th opinions ( if needed) listen to the one that makes sense to you and Otis for the happiest days ahead. (Now, if all vets agree, that is different.)

If you have the option to go to a Vet School, you will get wrap around care ( which really is invaluable). Also, they take on cases which other vets say no to. Heffalump was a rear (and rare) TWOPawd who had OSA and was treated ( and beloved) by the Vet School. Not every vet would treat a TWOPawd. 

Best wishes and hugs and PyrPaws all around! You and Otis are surrounded by love!!! And this wonderful family here! You got this Otis!!!

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Hello and welcome, your future posts will not have to wait for approval.

I'm sorry you have had to find your way here, but now that you are here you and Otis are family.  No matter how you decide to proceed you will find lots of help and support here. 

We have had many large and giant breed dogs here who do well after amputation.  My local friend Cemil is an Anatolian Shephard who weighed 150 pounds at the time of his front amp for OSA.  Close to 8 years later he is still here- he doesn't get far these days but he is still a happy boy.

Cemil's 7 year story.

Karen and the Spirit Pug Girls  

Hello Karen,

Thank you so much for the welcome and the information on Cemil.  I believe we will need many answers and a lot of support.  I feel like this is going to be on top of the list of the hardest things our family is going to go through.  While everyone was celebrating the New Year, we sat home and watched TV as the New Year is not bringing anything more positive for us.

I may share this account with my husband and daughter.  Whichever of us posts, we will put our name so everyone knows who is posting.  It will likely be me for the most part.  I, however do know they are going to need some support from those that have and are going through this.

-Rhonda

Otis - 121 lbs pre amp - 114 lbs post amp and now 118 lb Great Dane - English Mastiff X.  Started limping on 12/24/16.  Diagnosed with Osteosarcoma 12/28/16 - amputation of front left leg on 1/6/17.  Stitches out and 1st round of Chemo on 1/19/17.   2nd round of Carboplatin on 2/10/17 - 3rd round on 3/2/2017.  4th round was scheduled for 3/22/17 - however due to low WBC postponed - 4th Chemo completed on 3/28/17.  Had breathing difficulties, stayed in Tufts ICU overnight.  Due for 2 more rounds of Chemo but we are opting to go with homeopathy with Dr. Loops instead.

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My Otis, a lab/Dane mix, was "small", at 106 pounds pre-surgery.   He was also very deep chested, and had arthritis in his hips.  He did great on three!  Although he did not live as long as we had hoped, the time we had was quality time.  He was happy, and life as a tripawd was good.  No regrets!  

Hello,

Our Otis is 124 lbs right now.  He has been up to about 140lb in the past, however his vet had told us to try to slim him down due to his age and possible future joint issues.  We had him down to 119 and oops he's a great begger so he gained 5 pounds back.

Thank you very much for the information, it really does help with any decision I may be faced to make.

-Rhonda

Otis - 121 lbs pre amp - 114 lbs post amp and now 118 lb Great Dane - English Mastiff X.  Started limping on 12/24/16.  Diagnosed with Osteosarcoma 12/28/16 - amputation of front left leg on 1/6/17.  Stitches out and 1st round of Chemo on 1/19/17.   2nd round of Carboplatin on 2/10/17 - 3rd round on 3/2/2017.  4th round was scheduled for 3/22/17 - however due to low WBC postponed - 4th Chemo completed on 3/28/17.  Had breathing difficulties, stayed in Tufts ICU overnight.  Due for 2 more rounds of Chemo but we are opting to go with homeopathy with Dr. Loops instead.

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benny55 said
Sorry you find yourself here, but under the circumstances, there is no better place to be for support, understanding, information and first-hand experience.

Yes, this is scary and very exhausting mentally, physically and emotionally!! Of course, none of this is bothering Otis. Well, his leg hurts, but you're gonna get that taken care of.

And YAY for clear xrays!!

Yeah, many "regular" Vets aren't as ipen to amputation as Orthopedic Surgeons are! They'll evaluate Otis next week and make sure there are no hidden structural issues that can make mobility difficult.

How much does your cuddle bear Otis weigh? My Happy Hannah was a 125 lb Bull Mastiff and had zero mobility issues! She jad a very rough recovery for several weeks, but adjusted to walke as a tripawd just fine! I

'm sure yiur boy is much bigger! Karen mentioned Cemil. We also have a Mastiff here named Big Lou. I think he's arou d 150 lbs, actually maybe more, and is doing terrific!! It took him about two weeks to get his sea leags. Every dog is differe t.. every recovery is different.

We jave a MAGNIFICENT Great Dane here named Eurydice! She's a front legger and travels through life pain free and happy!!

All surgery, human or animal, has a risk. Talk thise over with your Vet. Complications can happen. Obviously, all of us here, felt like we HAD to take the risk and TRY to give our dogs and cats extended QUALITY time pain free!!

STAY CONNECTED!! You and Otis are not alone in this journey, okay? Ask any question you may have!! There's a whole lot of firsthand experience here!!

We'll look for yiur uldate AND pictures of your spectacular boy!!! 🙂

Lots a d lots of hugs!

Sally and Alumni Happy Hannah and Merry Myrtle and Frankie too!  

Sally, thank you for the warm welcome.  Otis is 124 lbs.  He looks more Dane than Mastiff so he's got some long legs.  I hope his xrays are still clear when we go to the Oncologist on Thursday!  After the night he had last night, there is no way I can just do pain management if there is another option for him.  He's very uncomfortable and was sleeping with his leg in the air so there was nothing touching it.  It is happening too fast.  From 1 week ago yesterday when we noticed the limp, until today, he has definitely gotten progressively worse 🙁

-Rhonda & Otis

Otis - 121 lbs pre amp - 114 lbs post amp and now 118 lb Great Dane - English Mastiff X.  Started limping on 12/24/16.  Diagnosed with Osteosarcoma 12/28/16 - amputation of front left leg on 1/6/17.  Stitches out and 1st round of Chemo on 1/19/17.   2nd round of Carboplatin on 2/10/17 - 3rd round on 3/2/2017.  4th round was scheduled for 3/22/17 - however due to low WBC postponed - 4th Chemo completed on 3/28/17.  Had breathing difficulties, stayed in Tufts ICU overnight.  Due for 2 more rounds of Chemo but we are opting to go with homeopathy with Dr. Loops instead.

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Hi Otis and family 🌹🐶

Although I am really sorry you are joining us I am glad you found us 🌻

All of us have been where you are and totally understand how shocking a diagnosis cancer is ... 

But you got it all right.

Osteo is excruciatingly painful and surgery removes the pain instantly.

Recovery can be hard, especially for big dogs but it surely doesn't last forever and we are here to guide you and hold your hand and Otis's paw every step of the way.

My girl Eurydice weighed 77kg pre amp and currently weighs 69kg and is a front legger.

Being a Great Dane, she is as deep chested as your boy ...

I can reassure you right now being big, deep chested and heavy are NO impediment to surgery.

If you wish to see how well a big dawg can do on 3 legs we are posting on Anything Goes forum under Eurydice's travels in Europe with lung mets 7 1/2 months after amputation.

But I suspect you don't need convincing, you already know in your heart Otis can deal with this 💪🏽👍🏼 

Remember, we are all here and will help you in any way we can!

Sending you a huge hug and cuddles to your cutie 😘😘😘💞🐶  

Hello,  I am so glad to hear that all is going so well with Eurydice!  It reassures me that the breed CAN handle it!  Thank you so much for the support and I look forward to reading more about Eurydice.

-Rhonda

Otis - 121 lbs pre amp - 114 lbs post amp and now 118 lb Great Dane - English Mastiff X.  Started limping on 12/24/16.  Diagnosed with Osteosarcoma 12/28/16 - amputation of front left leg on 1/6/17.  Stitches out and 1st round of Chemo on 1/19/17.   2nd round of Carboplatin on 2/10/17 - 3rd round on 3/2/2017.  4th round was scheduled for 3/22/17 - however due to low WBC postponed - 4th Chemo completed on 3/28/17.  Had breathing difficulties, stayed in Tufts ICU overnight.  Due for 2 more rounds of Chemo but we are opting to go with homeopathy with Dr. Loops instead.

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megstamum said
I am so sorry that you find yourself here, but as you have seen in the circumstances there is no better place for understanding, information and support.

I was struck by the fact that you said this

I hope that amputation is not taken off the table as a choice.

And just wanted to underline that this is YOUR choice, not anybody else's. You know Otis best. It sounds to me as if you already have a good idea how he will cope. Advice from vets is important, of course. But you must not feel options are being removed because of one person's opinion. If that does happen, please seek a second opinion, or a third. Different vets have different experience and will therefore have different views. I was told quite categorically by a leading orthopaedic surgeon that amputation was not an option for my Meg. She almost lost her life in consequence. Almost ten months post amp, she really could not be happier or enjoying a better quality of life.

Sending all positive wishes for you and Otis.

Meg, Clare and Elsie Pie xxx  

Hello, you have put things much more into perspective for me and I thank you for that.  I'm glad you choose to give Meg a fighting chance.  I just worry if I choose one option and it goes wrong, that I will never forgive myself and always wonder, "what if I had made a different decision".

-Rhonda

Otis - 121 lbs pre amp - 114 lbs post amp and now 118 lb Great Dane - English Mastiff X.  Started limping on 12/24/16.  Diagnosed with Osteosarcoma 12/28/16 - amputation of front left leg on 1/6/17.  Stitches out and 1st round of Chemo on 1/19/17.   2nd round of Carboplatin on 2/10/17 - 3rd round on 3/2/2017.  4th round was scheduled for 3/22/17 - however due to low WBC postponed - 4th Chemo completed on 3/28/17.  Had breathing difficulties, stayed in Tufts ICU overnight.  Due for 2 more rounds of Chemo but we are opting to go with homeopathy with Dr. Loops instead.

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Ditto what Meg says! Could not have said it better!

Sometimes it seems as if we are in such a fog of shock that we rely on the voice of our vet: not wrong, I LOVE 90% of my vets!!! (Hehehe...)

But to give you an example: CharlieBear my WonderBear has an infiltrative lipoma ( surgically removed but growing back) and now his right front leg is acting as if it has a PNST ( including atrophying). After all the diagnostics and all of the VET SCHOOL consults from soft tissue surgery, orthopedics, neurology, oncology, radiology oncology, emergency ( dang, did I leave anyone out) , even they could not agree on a plan of action. The surgeon literally was going to do a massive operation ( cracking open his chest like open heart surgery), etc. the next day!!! The radiation oncologist said the site may be radiated ( even though 2 years ago we were told no after his surgery) and the oncologist ( who is married to the neurologist) said she and her husband were going back and forth on what to do (if anything!). And these are all EXPERTS in their fields. Now, as Meg says, each vet brings their own experiences and own views/ " biases". If the oncologist had not stepped in, CharlieBear would likely not have a leg right now. I decided to go with the oncologist and her husband's decisions because I trust her implicitly. She treated CharlieBear two years ago and my previous WonderPyr Heffalump before that. 

You know your Otis better than anyone and after 2nd, 3rd, and 4th opinions ( if needed) listen to the one that makes sense to you and Otis for the happiest days ahead. (Now, if all vets agree, that is different.)

If you have the option to go to a Vet School, you will get wrap around care ( which really is invaluable). Also, they take on cases which other vets say no to. Heffalump was a rear (and rare) TWOPawd who had OSA and was treated ( and beloved) by the Vet School. Not every vet would treat a TWOPawd. 

Best wishes and hugs and PyrPaws all around! You and Otis are surrounded by love!!! And this wonderful family here! You got this Otis!!!  

Hello,

Thanks so much for the story.  It is like each person who posts gives me a little more insight into this issue.  I tried to get him in Tufts, the Vet school here in Massachusetts and they were booked until 1/18, I know he cannot wait that long.  I spent half the day on Friday trying to find a surgeon who could get him in quicker. Then I ran across a husband (surgeon), wife (oncologist) team in CT that we are going to on Thursday.  This place offers all the care no matter what I choice is, which is really encouraging, however they are an hour away.  That makes me a bit nervous.

-Rhonda

Otis - 121 lbs pre amp - 114 lbs post amp and now 118 lb Great Dane - English Mastiff X.  Started limping on 12/24/16.  Diagnosed with Osteosarcoma 12/28/16 - amputation of front left leg on 1/6/17.  Stitches out and 1st round of Chemo on 1/19/17.   2nd round of Carboplatin on 2/10/17 - 3rd round on 3/2/2017.  4th round was scheduled for 3/22/17 - however due to low WBC postponed - 4th Chemo completed on 3/28/17.  Had breathing difficulties, stayed in Tufts ICU overnight.  Due for 2 more rounds of Chemo but we are opting to go with homeopathy with Dr. Loops instead.



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I am sorry to hear your Otis is in pain ... 

Sleeping with his leg up really shows how much pain he is in ...

Osteo moves as fast as lightening but you are seeing the Oncologist on Thursday so hopefully he can have surgery soon and start a brand new happy life 💗

Sending you and Otis lots of love and cuddles 😘😘😘💞🐶

Eurydice 77kg/170lb Great Dane limping end of April 2016, amputation (right front leg/osteosarcoma) 4 May 2016 6 courses of carboplatin followed by metronomic therapy, lung mets found 30 Nov 2016. 3 courses of doxorubicin, PET scan 26 Jan 2017 showed more mets so stopped chemo. Holistic route April 2017. Lung X-ray 5 May 2017 showed several tennis ball size mets, started cortisone and diuretics. Miss Cow earned her XXL silver wings 12 June 2017, 13 months and 1 week after amputation and 6 1/2 months after lung mets, she was the goofiest dawg ever and is now happily flying from cloud to cloud woof woofing away :-) 



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Sweet Rhonda 🌹

Don't even think about what ifs ... or try to.

We all have our moments but we must remember we can only do the best we can. 

We are fighting a monster and are left with limited options so any choice is the best choice we can make at that moment in time always aiming to give our fur friends the best chance 👊🏾👊🏾👊🏾 and the best quality time for both of us 💘

And don't worry about the distance either. 

The important thing is that Otis will have great care 👍🏼 and be well looked after ! 

Eurydice 77kg/170lb Great Dane limping end of April 2016, amputation (right front leg/osteosarcoma) 4 May 2016 6 courses of carboplatin followed by metronomic therapy, lung mets found 30 Nov 2016. 3 courses of doxorubicin, PET scan 26 Jan 2017 showed more mets so stopped chemo. Holistic route April 2017. Lung X-ray 5 May 2017 showed several tennis ball size mets, started cortisone and diuretics. Miss Cow earned her XXL silver wings 12 June 2017, 13 months and 1 week after amputation and 6 1/2 months after lung mets, she was the goofiest dawg ever and is now happily flying from cloud to cloud woof woofing away :-) 

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