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Raven's necropsy results

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11:10 am
8 February 2010


dsimas

Auburn, CA

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I posted to Raven's blog (http://raven.tripawds.com) last night.  But thought that I would cross post this part of it to the forum also.

What happened on Raven's last day Jan. 29: 

He wanted to go for a car ride to town on errands.  He was a bit weak in the hind end and needed a boost into my truck.  But it was like powerlifting 109# of dead weight, quite a struggle.  In town, he was his happy self, barking at dogs in other vehicles, wagging at friends, face in the wind.  When we got home, he couldn't even get up so that I could help him out.  He belly scooted to the edge of the seat and I tried to help, but he pretty much tumbled out on top of me and we both landed in a heap, me breaking his fall.  He happily peed on a bush in the driveway and promptly laid down.  I had to get his harness and support him to hop the house, he laid down just inside the door, never to get up again.  He ate his lunch laying there.  He was never in any pain.  We wagged and flopped excitedly around when my friend came by, his "Auntie Laura" and licked her face.  He did the same for the vet when he arrived.  Tom said it was similar to a Fibrocartilaginous Embolism.  The liver was such a mess (confirmed in the necropsy), that is was falling apart.  He feels a piece actually got swept into the large major artery that passes through the liver and got stuck near the spinal column.  This causes partial or full paralysis in the hindquarters, has a sudden onset, and is completely painless (as opposed to spinal mets).  I believe it happened in the struggle of boosting him into the truck. 

I prayed for months that his end would be quick and he would not suffer.  That was a big request to God, considering that I also refused to put him down as long as he was feeling good.  But God answered my prayer and I am so thankful for that.

Raven's cancer was full of confusing turns.  I wanted answers so my vet Tom took samples post-mortem so that maybe we could get to the bottom of what happened to him.

The lung mets and the liver both came back "metastatic malignant osteosarcoma".  OS???  This was a shock, as he was never diagnosed with OS.  He started limping in April, the xray LOOKED like classic OS, but we biopsied it and it came back benign.  In retrospect, I should have amputated then anyway.  It was diagnosed as a benign bone lesion and to re-xray every 2 months.  The limp never went away, but the lesion never worsened.  Until it did suddenly worsen in the October xray and we amputated then.  The biopsy then came back Chondrosarcoma.  Which was again odd as that is a cartliage cancer and it was in the center of the humerus.

What we believe happened: 

The lesion probably quickly became malignant early on in the summer and metastasized to the liver.  When we discovered the liver disease a month after his amputation, the vets felt it had been there for a long while.  We were doing leg and chest xrays all summer, but never the abdomen.

And we believe that the chondrosarcoma biopsy result was quite possibly "Chondroblastic osteosarcoma" and was mistaken.

The good thing is that this knowledge doesn't change anything or cause me to second guess any of it.  If he indeed had OS from the begining, he did DARN well living with it for 9 months, 6 months before amputation and no chemo.  Even if we'd amputated in April, I couldn't have asked for a whole lot better, he was a 9 year old Rottie after all and had a relatively long life (for them).

I hope that this helps someone doing research and facing decisions.  If you get a Chondrosarcoma diagnosis that didn't originate near cartliage, you may want to ask for input on the likelihood it is still Chondroblastic Osteosarcoma.  Also, I would do xrays of the abdomen also, not just the chest for lung mets.  And if an xray has the classic "thumbprint" or "moth-eaten" appearance in a longbone, I wouldn't have put him through the pain of a biopsy, I'd just take the leg off.  It's already painful, whether malignant or not, and a lesion or cyst is prone to turn malignant later anyway.

Thank you everyone here for all your support through this difficult time.

 Rottie Raven, osteosarcoma at 8-1/2 years old, amputation in October '09 and in February '10 due to liver mets he went back to heaven where he came from.  raven.tripawds.com

Now I have Miles, rottie mix amputee from a shelter and traveled 1500 miles to find his way here through the Rescue Railroad thanks to tripawds.com.  miles.tripawds.com

11:19 am
8 February 2010


hugapitbull

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Wow, what a tangled web we weave.  Thank you for sharing, at this point each morsel of information means a lot to me, helping me to know things I maybe should look for, or at least be aware of.

His memorial box and the angel are gorgeous.  Very fitting for a hero.

Shanna & Spirit Trouble

Trouble gained her wings 3/16/2011, a 27 1/2 month cancer survivor, tail wagging

RIP sweetheart, you are my heart and soul.  Run free at Rainbow Bridge.

We honor our fellow November Five members who will always remain forever in my heart

 Nova – the lone survivor, live proud and long

 Spirits Max, Cherry, & Tika – who made half the journey with us and greeted Trouble at the Bridge

http://k9cancer.org – a canine cancer support community

 

11:55 am
8 February 2010


admin

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Yesh, thank you for sharing these details. They are certain to help others, and Raven would be proud of your "doesn't change anything" attitude.

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12:04 pm
8 February 2010


Supai

Hill, NH

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Sounds like you and Raven had nice last day. Having the memory of Raven barking at other dog while on a ride is priceless! Thanks for sharing the findings. Glad to hear that you have no regrets, we can only do our best, the rest is out of our hands.

Shaun & Suapi

Supai Diagnosed with OS right rear leg 11/23/09 Right rear leg; Amputation 12/3/09 Living with cancer one-day-at-a-time! We said Good Bye on 2/9/2010. We Miss Supai

2:52 pm
8 February 2010


ldillon81

Kirkland, WA

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It's very sweet that you chose a picture of Raven as a tripawd to put on his memorial box.  It made me tear a little.  Jack is so much happier as a tripawd, and that, too, is how I will remember him when he turns invisible.  You are a super pawrent :)

<3 laura

4:00 pm
8 February 2010


jakesmom

Wesley Chapel, FL

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Thank you for sharing Raven's last day with us… I'm glad that he wasn't in any pain… and seemed to be fine until the end… well, fine but paralysed… Crying 

The urn and picture of Raven and the angel are beautiful! I know that it's not like having him there in person, where you can hug and kiss him and watch him do his adorable butt wiggle… but at least he's home with you again… Even though it was so difficult when I brought Jake's remains home in his urn… I did feel some comfort knowing that he was back home with me… where he had spent so many happy times…

Now the healing begins… it will take a long time… but we are all here for you!!!! I know that Raven's spirit will be with you always… looking over you…

Luv,

Angel Jake's Mom

Jake, 10yr old golden retriever (fractured his front right leg on 9/1, bone biopsy revealed osteosarcoma on 9/10, amputation on 9/17) and his family Marguerite, Jacques and Wolfie, 5yr old german shepherd and the newest addition to the family, Nala, a 7mth old Bengal mix kittie. Jake lost his battle on 11/9/2009, almost 8 weeks after his surgery. We will never forget our sweet golden angel… http://jakesjou…..ipawds.com ….. CANCER SUCKS!

4:31 pm
8 February 2010


Emilysmom

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Goes to show how medicene is not an exact science, doesn't it?  I am so glad that Raven's last day was pain free.  I love his memorial box.

Debra & Angel Emiily

Debra & Emily, a five year old doberman mix, who was diagnosed with an osteosaecoma. She had a right rear leg amputation on May 19, 2009. On November 10, 2009 she earned her wings and regained her fourth leg.

4:45 pm
8 February 2010


Cherry

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Dawn,

It is always the last day(s) that will haunt us. Like Raven, I do not really believe that Cherry was in pain, and for that I too give thanks. She knew when we entered the room – I know that she knew, but like the brave hero she was, she too gave kisses to those there who would help her. While minutes before at home, she showed no interest in a number of the treats (her favorites) that I offered, but when the vet and the vet tech offered her something that she rarely took in her best days, she took it from them. They still remember that she did it – for them.

Your man looks so very hamsome and I am sure that it feels better now that he is home. I also know that better has not risen to the level of extremely aweful. Take care of yourself – that will be the best way to protect his memory.

Spirit Cherry's Dad

6:10 pm
8 February 2010


rubyaz

Arizona

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Dawn,  Thank You for sharing Raven's last day with all of us. I am glad that he was so happy on his last day and pain free until the end.

Jo Ann & Tasha

Tasha 8 years old, First cancer diagnosis 6/26/09, Last cancer diagnosis 9/26/09, Amputation 10/01/09, Loving our girl moment by moment.

Tasha lost her battle and became my Angel on May 4 2011. Forever in my heart….

6:22 pm
8 February 2010


cometdog

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It still breaks my heart…but I'm so glad you found the answers. 

When my husband didn't want to do an autopsy on Rugby, I wanted to bop him right in front of the vet!  I needed to know or I would be crazy!  (not that it really mattered what my husband thought – I was hell-bent to do one) I had lost my chow, Snooker 8 years earlier the day after a ACL surgery for no reason.  I never knew why.

Raven is sure a handsome guy.  He's so regal. That picture looks like he's just sitting there looking back at you. 

Like I said in your blog, I've been worried about you and how you've gotten along.  The video was touching.

Thank you for updating us.

She departed us unexpectedly  from bleeding internally on January 23, 2011
Comet came from a dog hoarder and was born with a deformed front leg. She was sassy and bossy but oh so much fun!  She lost her brother, Rugby in 2009 and got Monkeybutt, the king of Monkeydogs!  He was the most annoying dog ever to a tripawd!

1999 to 2011

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7:38 pm
8 February 2010


tazziedog

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Thank you for sharing the necropsy results.  It is true that some bone biopsies can be false negative and even after amputation the samples can be hard for the pathologists to read.  We have had a few dogs on this site diagnosed with some other tumor that then ends up being reclassified as OSA.  In general if it "quacks like a duck" it probably is so most Rotties with bone lesions should be assumed to have OSA unless proven otherwise.

I'm sure that Raven's story will help others with their battle against bone cancer.  He was quite a trooper!

Pam


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