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Hi

anyone else here with osteosarcoma pups that had swollen lymph nodes (regional)?

had a surgical consult last week, well two actually.  The first surgeon, I said hey you know this submandibular node is swollen shouldn't we get it checked. She said nah, probably dental issues.

um, okay.   I thought about it later and just needed to know.  So I started poking around.  Sure enough, swelling at the axiallary node as well as chest .  Now, he does have a few lipomas, but I know the difference.  I really think I need to have an oncologist check him out and probably aspirate and look under a scope.

he is scheduled to become a tri on Tuesday, but I'm postponing till I understand these lymph nodes.  If there is indeed mets, which is not super common from this cancer in the lymph nodes, that changes our course.  

Hes also always had a strange little bump/lesion on his foreleg (where the osteosarcoma is) that I've always heard is nothing.  Been there awhile, almost looks mast cell like.

thanks for reading.

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It took me a second to realize this was Zale you were talking about.  I know in your earlier thread you were going to go ahead with surgery and the oesteo had been confirmed.  

I have zero insight to offer on your specific situation and I think speaking with an Onco is definitely a good plan!  This journey is often avout following yiur gut and getting second opinions when ssomething just doesn't sit well with you.  I know that sometimes certain  lymph node involvement isn't determined until the amputation anyway.   So it doesn't necessarily mean amputation isn't an option, just that the treatment plan  is based on those results.

How is he doing today  as far as any obvious limping, pain, etc??  As you know, an  amputation would definitely remove a the pain. 

Let us know what your Onco says.   Of course, we would love to see pictures of your handsome fella!

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Sally and Alumni Happy Hannah and Merry Myrtle and Frankie too!

Happy Hannah had a glorious additional bonus time of over one yr & two months after amp for osteo! She made me laugh everyday! Joined April's Angels after send off meal of steak, ice cream, M&Ms & deer poop!

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Ditto having an onco look at it is the best course of action. Nobody can tell what a lump is just by feeling it. Probably nothing but just to be sure they'll check it out.

If there is indeed mets, which is not super common from this cancer in the lymph nodes, that changes our course. 

Not sure what you mean by this exactly, but even with osteosarcoma lung mets, it's not always a reason to forgo amputation. See:

http://tripawds.....treatment/

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Hi Sally & Jerry, my apologies for starting a new thread on Z dog and the confusion.  Thank you so much for replying, I really appreciate it.

The second opinion is definitely the best course of action, despite it putting a slight delay in what we do for him.   I just do not like swollen lymph nodes.  If it indeed has gone to his lymph nodes (So rare for osteosarcoma), then I am afraid that does mean some deep considerations into what is best for him.  The prognastic factors for that are worse than lung mets.  I understand statistics are just that, but I do have to pay attention to and understand what this could mean, and consider it and what will be best for him.

We love this dog so much.  He's an "attached at the hip" kind of dog.  LOVES people and attention and just being around us.  If I'm in my little office cubby hole at home, he's on the big barker dog bed next to me (We got it for him cuz he would lay on the hard floor just to be near me).  I want to do what is best for him, with the least amount of pain and trauma.

We have an appointment with the oncologist tomorrow morning, and I've scheduled the surgery for Thursday, and we all know, including the surgeon, that it could change.  He visited everyone at the surgeons, jumping up on counters, walking into their space to say hi... they know him well already.   I hope like hell it's nothing.  Or something minor.  But I will admit I am scared.  I'm preparing myself emotionally for the worst, so my hubby and I can make the best decisions for our boy.  Have never known another dog like him.  

In terms of how he is feeling.  You gotta understand our loon boy.  He is a dog that is 1000% all the time.  He's very athletic, hyper, intense, sweet, loveable.  He's also not for the faint of heart.  He's hiked many mountains and swam in some beautiful lakes.  He and his sister/litter mate are best of buds.  This afternoon I went out for a hike and put them both upstairs in our bedroom so he wasn't roaming the house going up and down stairs.  He has a mild limp, and a decent swelling on the leg.  His limp is barely noticeable, but I know it has to hurt.  Maybe it's the difference with the disease in the ulna vs. the radius or any other weight-bearing bone because it is hard to see that he is hurting. He is on minimal meds.   In fact, when I got home, I went up our deck stairs to the bedroom to let them out, and he CHARGED out and flew down our deck stairs like some kind of crazy dog.  I just kept thinking CRAP he is impossible to slow down!  Wagging and squeaking (yes they both squeak) and jumping crazy labrador.  One would think I was gone for 2 days.  I try not to let him jump up, but he wants to give love bites.  Labrador... forever a puppy.

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I'd love to post photos of the beautiful boy, but it seems really hard to do on this forum. 

I'm on facebook with some public pics.

https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100006997845654

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18 September 2017 - 8:21 pm
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Try this for adding images

Happy Hannah had a glorious additional bonus time of over one yr & two months after amp for osteo! She made me laugh everyday! Joined April's Angels after send off meal of steak, ice cream, M&Ms & deer poop!

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And no.problem at all about starting another thread.  You did just fine!!

It is soooo clear how very much you love your Zale...loon Zale....and how much he loves you!!!  And it is also clear that Zale is a true bundle of joy living life to the fullest!!  He sure knows how to have fun and how to find happiness in just being Zale!! 🙂 🙂   And this DELIGHTFUL personality of his and his strong will all works in his favor on this crazy journey!!! 🙂

Thanks so much for sharing more snd this vibrant, fun loving pul!!  Everyone here just fell in love!! 🙂  We're all visualizing a positive outcome for this sweet boy!  

And btw, my Happy Hannah loved her Big Barker Bed!!  Gosh, I guess it's four years old now and hasn't sagged or lost its shape at all.  It was an extra large and I was able to curl up with her on it.  Quite comfy and supportive!

Lots of love and hugs

Sally and Alumni Happy Hannah and Merry Myrtle and Frankie too!

PS. Stay off Dr Google!  Whatever hurdles Zale has to overcome, he will!!  After all, Zale is a one of a kind dawg!!

Happy Hannah had a glorious additional bonus time of over one yr & two months after amp for osteo! She made me laugh everyday! Joined April's Angels after send off meal of steak, ice cream, M&Ms & deer poop!

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lovemylab said
I'd love to post photos of the beautiful boy, but it seems really hard to do... 

Here are simple instructions for adding photos to forum posts. If you don't already share photos online somewhere, you can start a free Tripawds blog any time and upload them there. Need further help? Post in the Tech Support forum and we'll be happy to help!

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