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Making a difficult decision about amputation
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I know everyone on this site has probably made the decision that my husband and I are going to have to make this week-end, but I can barely type this because I am crying so much and so upset. We noticed a growth on my 12 year old schnauzer and took her to the vet to be checked out. She has had several fatty lipomas, so we thought "no big deal, it's just another fatty growth to be removed." Man, were we wrong. The mass is a hemangeo-pereo cytoma which is cancerous. After seeing a onocology specialist, the good news is the cancer will most likely not metastasize. The bad news is making the difficult decision what to do next. We have ruled chemo out, because it will only slow the growth and not give her the best chances of survival.

So now, we have a very difficult decision to make. We can amputate her right rear leg or we can remove the lump (which can not be fully removed because of the location) and then send her for radiation therapy. If we do the  second choice, she will have to live at a university that has radiation for a month. It is also extremely expensive. The vet said we would spend close to $10,000 with this option. If I had all the money in the world, I would choose this option because she gets to keep her leg and it has a 85% success rate. The other option is amputation, which I can not wrap my mind around. I am so emotionally connected to Sydney and I don't want it to affect her quality of life. She is such an active, lively little dog. She goes on hikes, to the lake, and to the ocean on vacation with us. Will she still be able to do these things? Will she be happy? I am looking for advice and support, because I am struggling to make a decision. I want to do what is best for her.

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27 March 2015 - 2:30 pm
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Welcome to Tripawds.

I'm sorry cancer has brought you here, but as you said, most everyone here has had to make this choice.

My little pug Maggie lost her left rear leg to a mast cell tumor.  We were originally given the option of tumor removal with radiation, but I decided that radiation was not the right thing for Maggie.  She would have had to be put under every week for several weeks and she was not good under anesthetic, in fact she almost didn't make it out a couple times.  Some pups here have gone the rad route- I don't know the success rate.  But it wasn't right for Maggie.

Don't feel bad about considering finances, we all wish we had unlimited funds but it just isn't the case.

The only thing Maggie couldn't do anymore after surgery was go up a lot of stairs, she was fine with a couple.  She was only 12 inches at the shoulder and pushing herself off one back leg was too hard for her.  Most bigger dogs do just fine with stairs.

I did get a stroller for Maggie, she worked up to being able to walk a mile or so on her own (about half the distance she could easily go pre surgery).  My younger pug at the time needed longer walks so I would let Maggie walk awhile, then ride, then walk again, etc.

As far as coming to grips with the new normal- I did have a hard time.  She wasn't even limping, how could amputation be the best choice!  And Maggie was one of those stubborn dogs who hated any change to her routine...she was unhappy for about 6 weeks.  And I spent most every day of those 6 weeks regretting my decision (Tripawds wasn't here yet).  But she came around and hopped happily through life for almost 4 years.

None of us can tell you what is the right decision, only you and your family can decide that.  But whatever you decide remember you are doing what you think is the very best thing for Sydney.  

We are here to help and support no matter what route you chose. 

 

Karen and The Spirit Pug Girls

Tri-pug Maggie survived a 4.5 year mast cell cancer battle only to be lost to oral melanoma.

1999 to 2010

 

              Maggie's Story                  Amputation and Chemo

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27 March 2015 - 8:09 pm
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Hi and welcome. I'm so very sorry you're in this tough spot. Many of us here have been through the same situation you're in and we understand completely the conflicting emotions you're going through.

You'll hear this often in the coming weeks, but losing a limb is worse for humans than for animals. They just want to feel better, to have a normal life again and to make sure you're happy too. Humans take this way worse than they do. Once that bad leg is gone, an animals moves on quickly and without hesitation if their human is a strong, pawsitive pack leader. It's the human's attitude that can make recovery easier, or harder, so should you decide to do it you'll need to be as optimistic as you can.

All you need to do is check out Jerry's Required Reading List , watch our videos and look at our photo gallery to see how well animals do after amputation. In fact  you may get a kick out of Roscoe's story, he's another Schnauzer who is really rockin' the three-legged life these days!

I realize that your pup's age is a big consideration, but as long as your vet feels she is a good candidate for surgery, and she's currently healthy and strong, she should bounce back pretty well. If you're at all in doubt get another opinion to ease your mind.

Let us know what other questions you have, we're here to help you make the best decision for your girl. It may not be that amputation is the way you want to go and that's OK too, there's no judgement here and we'll support you either way OK?

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27 March 2015 - 9:52 pm
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Welcome. We know this is such a hard decision. Last year, my 12 year old lab mix had a tumor on her rear leg. I had also thought it started off similarly to all those other fatty cysts she'd had over the years. We'd had a few removed successfully. However, when we tried to do the same with the one on her leg, it returned within a month. Only then, did we send off a sample to find that it was cancer. Molly had her rear leg amputated in July. By September, she was swimming in the creek again (although in more of a circular direction than before ;). She also began enjoying short hikes again, regained normalcy in her yard by digging for moles and playing a bit of soccer, and honestly felt better after her recovery than for sometime before the amputation. I struggled with the decision for a while too. But I'm so glad we did it. Molly J  and I have no regrets about it. Sending positive energy your way. 

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27 March 2015 - 9:57 pm
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Oh yeah, we ALL get the crying non~stop nightmare, the pit in the stomach and the fear!! Ithink I cried almost 24/7 for weeks when I was trying t decide whether or not to amputate my Happy Hannah's (Bull Mastiff) rear leg due to osteosarcoma. I even CANCELLED the first scheduled appointment I made for the surgery!

Take a few deep breaths and remember that all is well in Sydney's world!!! B. R E A T H E......B R E A T H E.......B R E A T H E!! Good job!!

I can only tell you that it was the best decision ever! Recovery was rought for her. I didn't join this site until day six of the amputation worried sick because shewas so miserable. Well...that's just called "recovery" from a major surgery! Every surgery has risk. Every now and then something rare ir unexpected happens. But the majority n of dogs and cats get all their sparkle back and more after avout two to three weeks.

I can't give you any insight into the radiation option. Depending on the diagnosis, some dogs here have gone that route. I guess like anything on this crazy journey, with mixed results. Being away at a University for a whole month...not to mention constant tests, lrobing, poking....I'm not sure Sydney woukd enjoy that!!

Again I can only attest to the amputation. Almost every single dog here adapts very well and usually within the first 24 hours they are up and walking!!

And there are many seniors who have done beautifully...even with arthritis!

I know this is jard to believe, but you really will almost forget your dog just has three legs!! At first the incision site and shaved area will make you focus on it. Once the fur has grown back you will barely notice it.

Yes, she will be avle to hike, to swim, to do all those things! She will just need to rest more when walking, etc. And you will find that "slowing down and smelling the roses" under a shade tree on a hike is a lovely way to spend time with Sydney!

I know this is scary, but should you go this route and the vet thinks she is a good candidate for surgery, you will be amazed at how resilient your girl is!! And remember, she isn't worrying about a thing! She is blissully / unaware of any ole stupid "diagnosis". She will jandle whatever comes her way.. accept it...and move forward! Our dogs are such great role models for us when it comes to handling challenges!!

Stay connected to is, okay? And eat lots and lots of CHOCOLATE!!!

When you can, we would love to see pics of your sweet Sydney! She sounds adorable!!

(((((((((((((((((((Hugs))))))))))))))))

Sally and Alumni Happy Hannah and Merry Myrtle too!

Happy Hannah had a glorious additional bonus time of over one yr & two months after amp for osteo! She made me laugh everyday! Joined April's Angels after send off meal of steak, ice cream, M&Ms & deer poop!

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27 March 2015 - 10:00 pm
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And Molly J is still reaching out and j nspiring others with her lagacy and courage, resiliency and sheer joy for lofe!!

Holding you in my heart.....

Sally

Happy Hannah had a glorious additional bonus time of over one yr & two months after amp for osteo! She made me laugh everyday! Joined April's Angels after send off meal of steak, ice cream, M&Ms & deer poop!

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27 March 2015 - 10:06 pm
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http://tripawds.....our-video/

Here's a link to a thread with several videos onnit of dogs LIVING LARGE on three legs!

Hope I did it right.

Happy Hannah had a glorious additional bonus time of over one yr & two months after amp for osteo! She made me laugh everyday! Joined April's Angels after send off meal of steak, ice cream, M&Ms & deer poop!

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27 March 2015 - 11:12 pm
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HI

I am new to the site also.  Borris had his left hind leg amputated February 17th.  However, I found out about the tumor in late December and was more or less advised that given his age, and size, Borris is a 10 year old harlequin great dane, and the fact that he suffered some discomfort in his front left leg this past summer due to what we think was a herniated disc, perhaps it would be best to keep him comfortable with pain killers until the time came to put him down.  I explained to my vet that he was a very active, young at heart, 10 year old.  Problem is, they never knew him like that because both times I brought him to see this vet he was in pain.  So I went through the holidays thinking I didn't really have options and how on earth would he ever be able to hop around on 3 legs at his size.  Then in mid January the leg started swelling, and I started looking for options and found this site.  By then, he had completely stopped using the leg due to pain.  I realized watching him drag that swollen leg around that he was better off without it, and probably very capable of adjusting.

Then he had a reaction to the prednisone he was on and became very weak, we  didn't make it into the first scheduled surgery while we readjusted meds.  At that point I was upset with myself for not realizing in December that he could do it. I put him through unnecessary suffering with that leg in January and February.  It is always hard to make decisions while you are going through something and easy to say what you should have done after.  I wish I had taken the leg off earlier as the cancer grew so large and he was not himself at all.  He barely wanted me to touch him or console him. 

The first week or two of recovery can be a little unnerving, but since the removal of the leg I have seen his spirit return, and his determination to make progress each day.  Everyday we walk a little further and with less breaks in between.  He stops and smells the air, he listens to all the sounds around him. People say hi to us and ask about him.  He is my Superdog.  I am so proud of what we have accomplished together as a team.  The other day on the way to the vet he hopped into the truck before we could pick him up to put him in.  They are unstoppable.  Life has changed a little, the reality is, he is a senior dog, at one time or another life does slow down. It's just an adjustment, a bit of reality check to love and appreciate what we do have.  

We all understand exactly how you feel.  If you decide to amputate, you will understand just how well a dog can adapt to what is thrown at them.  They just move forward.  They live for us, they follow our cue.

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27 March 2015 - 11:45 pm
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BORRIS and mom! Your post is riveting! I am so glad Borris has his sparkle back...and it even gets better!!

I'm so glad you found this site. We jave several magnificent Great Danes who are showing the world how big dogs rock on three legs!!

Thanks for sharing your insight. Look forward to hearing more great updates AND pictures!!

HUGS!

Sally and Alumni Happy Hannah and Merry Myrtle too!

Happy Hannah had a glorious additional bonus time of over one yr & two months after amp for osteo! She made me laugh everyday! Joined April's Angels after send off meal of steak, ice cream, M&Ms & deer poop!

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Hi and welcome to Tripawds,
We have all been there with the awful decision to amputate, so you are in great company here. So sorry you are dealing with the ugly "c" in your sweet Schnauzer, we know that can feel like a ton of bricks dumped on top of you. However, quite often, amp surgery gives the best chance of quality of life, and also can extend the life of your pup. You are actually fortunate with the type of cancer your dog has, hemangio-pericytoma can be completely cured with just amputation alone. It is a very contained type of cancer, and I personally know several friends that their dog had this type of cancer, had surgery for tumor removal or amp, and they are still doing great and cancer free after several years since the surgery. My Polly's surgeon was hoping she had this type of cancer when doing her first leg surgery for a sudden quick-growing tumor 2 years ago, but not to be, Polly was diagnosed with hemangiosarcoma, a very aggressive and awful cancer. But my precious girl still beat the odds and survived for almost 14 months.

That is another very important thing to remember, there is no definitive date of expiration for our beloved fur pups and kitties diagnosed with cancer, it just teaches you to make more of the days, weeks and months you have together. Some here have been truly blessed with many years together, so there is always hope.

As far as amp surgery itself, yeah, it can be a bumpy road until most healing is completed, but for the vast majority of us, there were not too many problems and our new Tripawds did fantastic.....we know we did the right thing. But amp surgery is still a personal decision that must be made with a lot of thought going into it. We can just give you our experiences, and like I said, most here would do the same thing all over again with amp surgery. Our pups and kitties amaze us with their ability to lead a perfectly normal and happy life on 3 legs.

Best of wishes to you, keep us updated on your pup and what you decide.....
Bonnie, Angel Polly & new crew

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28 March 2015 - 10:52 am
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Yes Sally you posted the video link correctly, thank you!

And Borris' Mom thank you so much for sharing your recovery story. It's always so comforting to read what others have ben through and have an idea of what might or might not happen. I'm so glad to hear he's doing well!

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whiteschnauzer said
I know everyone on this site has probably made the decision that my husband and I are going to have to make this week-end, but I can barely type this because I am crying so much and so upset. We noticed a growth on my 12 year old schnauzer and took her to the vet to be checked out. She has had several fatty lipomas, so we thought "no big deal, it's just another fatty growth to be removed." Man, were we wrong. The mass is a hemangeo-pereo cytoma which is cancerous. After seeing a onocology specialist, the good news is the cancer will most likely not metastasize. The bad news is making the difficult decision what to do next. We have ruled chemo out, because it will only slow the growth and not give her the best chances of survival.

So now, we have a very difficult decision to make. We can amputate her right rear leg or we can remove the lump (which can not be fully removed because of the location) and then send her for radiation therapy. If we do the  second choice, she will have to live at a university that has radiation for a month. It is also extremely expensive. The vet said we would spend close to $10,000 with this option. If I had all the money in the world, I would choose this option because she gets to keep her leg and it has a 85% success rate. The other option is amputation, which I can not wrap my mind around. I am so emotionally connected to Sydney and I don't want it to affect her quality of life. She is such an active, lively little dog. She goes on hikes, to the lake, and to the ocean on vacation with us. Will she still be able to do these things? Will she be happy? I am looking for advice and support, because I am struggling to make a decision. I want to do what is best for her.

I am so sorry that she has cancer. We faced many of the same decisions when our two year old Yorkie mix was diagnosed. We ended up doing have the tumor removed and she did a couple radiation sessions. In our case, amputation wasn't an option. Lily recovered well and you wouldn't even know that she had the surgery today. She's full of life!

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Whiteschnauzer, welcome to the club! I finally made the decision to have the amputation done on my Iris, she just got home on Wednesday the 1st, and boy howdy did I get an April fools joke back home. She doesn't even realize her leg has been amputated. She is perky, happy and walking around like nothing happened. Now understand, her leg was broken, and she was in pain, and was prepping her other 3 legs since the break, but she even sits down with the weight on her stump.

Every case is different, but in my specific case, this was absolutely the right decision. I think no matter how much we read it, pre-op pawrents will never fully grasp how well a 4 legger does on 3, until they get them home from the vet.

My pup just turned 6 months, the operation was not due to cancer, and she was already in considerable pain. Your situation is obviously different, so my only input here is that post-op is not as dramatic as it seems.

Wish you the best of luck. Please keep us posted!

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I'm new here as well so unlike everyone else I cannot offer comfort but I can tell you about my own experience and hope it helps in making your decision. My dog has a soft tissue sarcoma on his front right leg. And they also could not remove all of it because of where it's at, right at his elbow. I happen to live close to a veterinary oncologist and I didn't have the money but I decided to take on the debt. Which yes was going to be about 12-13 thousand for removing a part of the tumor and the radiation. So he had the surgery and because they couldn't fully remove the mass it didn't heal. I chose to have a second surgery because I was determined to save this leg. But even after the second surgery he didn't heal. So I'm about 6 thousand in debt and he won't make it to radiation because at this point my only option is amputation. So reluctantly and with great pain in my heart I have scheduled the surgery. Like you I have so many doubts and fears but this community has been a great help so stay in touch with us here.

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astrella91 said
...unlike everyone else I cannot offer comfort but I can tell you about my own experience...

That is comforting! smiley Thanks for sharing.

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