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Leonberger 52kg F 7 3/4yrs rear left knee cancer. Vet says that is it, the end? We are not too sure?
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26 April 2016 - 6:50 am
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Would love to hear some +ve news about Tilly. The overriding concern must be that she does not suffer needlessly. But! if there is a possibility of amputation being successful (X-ray showed Lungs clear of cancer) on her bearing in mind age and weight then we would go for this. She is pretty fit and very strong presently.

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26 April 2016 - 8:10 am
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Hi and welcome. We're sorry to hear about Tilly. What type of cancer does the vet think you're dealing with?

Our best recommendation is to get another opinion from a board-certified surgeon. Was size the only reason your vet ruled out amputation or was there another reason? Generally even if a dog is larger, surgeons say there is no reason not to move forward with amputation unless there are other medical conditions such as severe arthritis, joint problems, etc.

You know your dog best. Advocate for her and get another opinion. Oftentimes it makes all the difference in a dog's situation. By doing so you will also feel better knowing that you made the most educated decision for her, whatever you decide.

Sounds like you're in another country. Where exactly are you?

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26 April 2016 - 10:11 am
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52 kgs is about 115 pounds.  That's a big dog, but by no means the biggest dog we have seen here.

Is the vet concerned about anything besides her size?  If size is the vet's only issue then you defiantly need to get another opinion.

Tilly would lose a back leg which is generally easier for dogs to deal with and get around.

If her lungs are clear and she is otherwise healthy then I think amputation would be a viable option.

You know her best, if you think she has more living to do then you need to be her advocate.

Keep us posted.

Karen and the Spirit Pug Girls

Tri-pug Maggie survived a 4.5 year mast cell cancer battle only to be lost to oral melanoma.

1999 to 2010

 

              Maggie's Story                  Amputation and Chemo

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26 April 2016 - 11:30 am
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Hi Tilly & Family,

I'm guessing that you got a diagnosis of Osteosarcoma since you've looked at the lungs for spread? Our Ellie also had OSA in the knee, which was diagnosed when her ACL tore. Most of us have been where you are right now so we definitely understand the need to hear something positive, not just that it is "the end". So, here goes.....

Tilly is a big girl, but not that big. We've had Mastiffs and Danes and St. Bernard dogs and even at least one other Leo who have come here w/ their amputation stories. Even our Ellie was 100lbs pre-amp. So if it is only that the vet is worried about her size, then I do definitely agree you should seek a second opinion. You say she's still strong and fit, so size alone shouldn't stop you from considering amputation. 

For us, at first amputation seemed such a drastic step! We thought she was too big or too old or that she wouldn't be able to manage stairs. We thought she'd hardly be able to walk, let alone go chasing after squirrels as a tripawd! Like you, our primary thought was that we could not let her suffer. But Ellie was still so full of life! And we thought that even if she only got another year, that would be like a 70 yr old human getting another 7 years. So it didn't take us long to decide that we had to give her a chance of living out her days pain free. We knew that if we amputated, she'd at least be spared that. So we amputated and had 10 months w/ Ellie afterwards. Once she recovered from the amputation, she took walks, laid on the patio, barked at the UPS man, laid on the floor for snuggles, went up stairs two at a time...she basically did everything she did before. She didn't suffer as a tripawd at all! And when it was finally time to say goodbye, she let us know. We don't regret amputating at all. 

The big guys and gals tend to have a bit more trouble recovering but, really, recovery isn't a picnic for anyone. There will be a couple of weeks that can be pretty miserable---mostly for you though! If Tilly's pain is being managed and she gets lots of rest and time to recuperate, she'll probably surprise you how well she can do as a tripawd. 

Denise, Bill and Angel Ellie

Active 10+ Pyr mix suddenly came up lame with ACL tear in left rear leg. Scheduled for a TPLO but final pre-op x-rays indicated a small suspicious area, possibly OSA, which could have caused the ACL tear. Surgeon opened the knee for TPLO but found soft bone. Biopsy came back positive for OSA. Became a Tripawd 9/18/14. Carbo6 with Cerenia and Fluids. Pain free and living in the moment. Crossed the Bridge on 7/12/15 after probable spread of cancer to her cervical spine. A whole lifetime of memories squeezed into 10 months. Here's her story: Eloise

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26 April 2016 - 1:28 pm
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You've gotten such great advice and support from everyone!

I'll just add that my Happy Hannah was a somewhat "fluffy" chunk of a Bull Mastiff. She weighed 125 lbs ( so kg wise, a few more than your Tilly).
At 8 1/2 yrs, she was considered a "mature" dog as far as big dogs go.

My.first response after getting the devastating news of her osteosarcoma was no way I could amputate her leg! How could I possibly do that TO her?
How on earth could a big dog walk on three legs?

And then her pain started to escalate and I was going to have to up the meds and probably "let her go" fairly quickly.

She was still full of @ife and enjoyed livi g it to the fullest, except for that painful leg! In her czse, the surgeons didn't think ner size was an issue at all!

So I preceded. Recovery from major surgery was rough for several weeks. It took me u til arou d week three that I could finally say I did this FOR my Happy Hannah! As far as her adapting to three legs...she walked out of the hospital as though she never needed that "spare" leg to begin with! I didn't find this great community until the sixth day of her recovery. They threw me a lifeline and held me close through the recovery.

Once her sparkle came back and she started enjoying her life WITHOUT pain, I never regretted my decision for one second! We had the most glorious extended bonus time for over one year and two months! Everyday was Christmas and she was my gift!

This whole journey we are on is about QUALITY! Tilly doesn't have a timeframe stamped on her butt! She could care less about any ole' statistics or diagnosis. She sure doesn't count days on a calender! All she cares about is soaking up all the loving and spoiling you can give her every second on every day!

It is major surgery and it does jave risks, just like any surgery. Obviously, almost everyone here decided it was worth the risk. There are no guarantees though. You have to make the decision you believe is best for Tilly. That's all any of us can do is make a decision out of love, knowing that is always the "right" decision.

Stay connected a d post pictures when you can!

Love to you and Tilly

Sally and Alumni Happy Hannah and Merry Myrtle and Frankie too!

Happy Hannah had a glorious additional bonus time of over one yr & two months after amp for osteo! She made me laugh everyday! Joined April's Angels after send off meal of steak, ice cream, M&Ms & deer poop!

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Otis was 106 pounds at amputation - he is now about 94 (both loss of the leg and about 2 pounds in our efforts to keep him lean).  He is 8, and has mild arthritis in his hips, but is doing great as a front leg amputee.   He cannot take long walks anymore - actually, we only go 7 houses and he sits down at house 5 (on the corner) and spends a good 10 - 15 minutes smelling the air and looking around.   But he can go up and down stairs (and can come down now in a very controlled manner), get up on the counter to steal cat food, chase the family cats or squirrels outside, jump up on the sofa - basically, the majority of things he used to do with four legs.   From my perspective, age and size alone should not rule out amputation, especially if you have access to and can afford a high quality of veterinary care, but definitely get a second (ideally, surgical) opinion.  

Otis - 106 pound lab/Dane mix, lost his right front leg to osteosarcoma on Febuary 9, 2016.  Four rounds of carboplatin completed in April, 2016.  Lung mets August 25, 2016.  Said goodbye too soon on September 4, 2016.   Lost his adopted sister, Tess, suddenly on October 9, 2016. likely due to hemangiosarcoma.  

Wherever they are, they are together.

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27 April 2016 - 1:26 pm
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Holy Cow so much brilliantly +ve information. Thank you all so much for this great encouragement. I am based in England, in a county called Shropshire.

The cancer is I think what (Sally and Alumni Happy Hannah and Merry Myrtle and Frankie too!) said, Osteosarcoma.
Tilly seems recovered very well from the heavy sedation of yesterday and we are taking confidence from 3 legged Vernon   and of course your comments too. We feel we are not alone any more. 

She has even climbed the stairs twice today to get my attention. We have contacted the vet once again and she realises that we are now serious about giving her the best chance of a happy three legged life post op. So she is happy to perform the op most probably this coming Friday.

Lungs are clear which is great news. 

I will try to get a photo of Tilly off my PC and upload here and of course keep you all posted on the events as they happen

Thanks so much to you all again, Jerry, Denise, Bill and Angel Ellie, Sally and Alumni Happy Hannah and Merry Myrtle and Frankie too!
Karen and the Spirit Pug Girls, 
otisandtess

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27 April 2016 - 4:11 pm
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OH my gosh OF COURSE You can include videos, we love this one of Vincent, he is gorgeous. Can't wait to see some of Tilly. Glad she's doing well.

We are here to help however we can as you start your journey this week.

Here's info about adding images to the forums. Let us know if you'd like assistance.

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28 April 2016 - 3:43 pm
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Tks Jerry. Such a tough decision. Took Tilly for a short walk in the field. She looks so well and does use her bad leg currently. it is as if getting out unstiffens her bad leg. But tonight is difficult thinking abaout her losing her leg. We seem to have no alternative. Vet says in a few months the cancer could spread to her lungs and further up her leg. Just appreciating folks +ve comments on here they help us a lot. 

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28 April 2016 - 3:53 pm
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tillymcb said
...tonight is difficult thinking abaout her losing her leg.

Everpawdy here understands that! Our best advice is to Be More Dog .

Amputation may not get rid of the cancer, but it will get rid of the pain! They gave Jerry "a few months" after his osteo dx, and he lived two years! Without IV chemo...

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Hello Tilly's family.  One of the toughest moments of life with our furry friends is the decision about amputation.  Johnnie is a large Golden Retriever, and was around 100lb when we had the diagnosis for Osteosarcoma in the front leg.  My husband thought he would NEVER adapt, and was radically against amputation.  Fortunately I found TRIPAWDS and many videos of front-leg amputees and Golden Retrievers that adapted well to life on 3 legs.  I can testify that it was totally worth it.  He stood up as soon as he recovered from the anesthesia, and his personality didn't change a bit.  On the contrary, without the bone pain he was back to being his old self.  Of course, being a front-leg amputee and a large boy, he isn't as mobile as he was, and we respect his limits for exercise.  I can say he is one happy boy.

Of course this is a very personal decision, but in our case I didn't regret it for a second, even knowing that the vet had estimated he would have an extra 6 to 8 months.  Johnnie slimmed down to 90lb and we are close to celebrating his 2nd ampuversary.   

regards

Daniela & Johnnie

Our awesome Golden Boy was diagnosed for OSA in April 2014 in the proximal humerus, front-leg amp on 05/20/2014. Finished chemo (Carbo6) on 07/10/2014. Ongoing treatment: acupuncture + K-9 Immunity Plus ( 3chews) and home-cooked no-grain diet.   Stopped Apocaps because of liver issues.   Liver issues: controlling altered enzymes with SAM-e and Milk Thistle.  October 17:  started having seizures.  Taking fenobarbital for seizures.  April 18: started prednisone.

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