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Kylie is having a rough go lately & not sure if Tramadol is helping or not?
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Sending healing thoughts to you and Kylie.  I can totally relate to roller coaster feeling.  Going through it now actually with my pup.  The most important thing is having that loving connection no matter what.  It sounds like Kylie is getting that 1000%.  Hang in there.

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Well today started off rough but she has eaten a fair bit, has pooped once and perked up when she had family visitors come. So I guess I can't complain. She is sleeping a lot but im guessing she needs it. 

I do still have a lot of liver left (lord knows I'm not eating it ugh) So I will fry more of that up once she's done her nap here 😉

We were a mess this morning when she looked rough but I think we're just so scared we are going to lose her soon, & is today the day?? And of course it's Sunday so our Vet is closed! Should we have done it yesterday? All these things go through your head. But we are committed to making her as comfortable as possible here until monday when she has her ultrasound. I think as long as she is still ok then we will all have better peace of mind knowing what the right answers are, after we know the ultrasound results. We are facts people, we need to know what we're dealing with. There's NO way I want to euthanize this sweet girl when there's a chance whatever the hell is in her abdomen can be fixed. So whatever babying we gotta do between now & then to keep her pain away and let her know she's spoiled, is what we're gonna do to get her to Monday at 2:20pm.

I'm hoping she has a decent night sleep. I'm also hoping she will get some more calories in her yet and I'm also hoping she can poop again before the day is done. 

Yup I have high hopes!😄

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So, little Miss Kylie is having a "good" day compared to a "less good day" yesterday.....so, relatively speaking, in Kylie's world that's holding steady and stable!!!! TEAM KYLIE is doing a very good job of keeping her comfortable and spoiling her and babying her!!! 🙂 🙂 EXCELLENT!!! 🙂 🙂 🙂

However, one of TEAM KYLIE's caregivers extraordinaire need not be concerned AT ALL if Kylie doesn't take a second poopicon_png today!! 🙂 Focusing on poopicon_png can make poopicon_png happen...but not the kind we want right now!! 🙂

And that same extraordinary TEAM KYLIE member can not worry if she doesn't eat after her nap....it's not like she needs a lot of calories to nap by the fan!!! She just might go for that liver though...maybe with a little bacon!

AND, that same outstanding TEAM KYLIE member need not waste one single second with those questions that have no answers and can only give you a stressful energy that Kylie does not like!!! No sirree bob! Kylie likes the energy where you are totally focused on more ways to spoil her and baby her!! She just loooooves that kind of happy energy from you!! 🙂

And yeah, we're talking about Kevin!!!!! 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 Just kiddin' Kevin!!! 🙂

Seriously, you are soing an excellent job of monitoring Kyle and understanding how shes's doing. And she's definitely hanging in there!! DEFINITELY!!!

Lots and lots of love and pawsitive energy from all of us!!!

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Happy Hannah had a glorious additional bonus time of over one yr & two months after amp for osteo! She made me laugh everyday! Joined April's Angels after send off meal of steak, ice cream, M&Ms & deer poop!

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10 July 2017 - 8:51 am
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Awww that's so nice of you to fry up that liver for her! ugh

I hope you guys all had a good night sleep. We are thinking of you today and hoping for some good news from the ultrasound.

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10 July 2017 - 11:07 am
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Haha thanks! Well yesterday turned out to be a very good day afterall. (I get myself so worked up when mornings are bad, even though I KNOW mornings are bad!! what-ever)

She had more family visitors which lifted her spirits and she ate more too! She ended up having that 2nd poop too 😉 She loved the liver and gobbled up a big slice. I tried again today but no go. We slept ok. Bed at 11pm up at 5am for pain pill & back to sleep Til 7am. This morning she ate a bunch of dry dog kibble from my hand, Like 1/2 cup! And she pooped too 😉 She looks stronger & more alert when she's been eating more. And more of her personality is shining through. 

Now we're en route to the dreaded ultrasound to get answers & hopefully a plan moving forward, whether it be palliative or what.

still praying for a miracle! Go team Kylie!! 😉😁

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Will be thinking of you!

Otis - 106 pound lab/Dane mix, lost his right front leg to osteosarcoma on Febuary 9, 2016.  Four rounds of carboplatin completed in April, 2016.  Lung mets August 25, 2016.  Said goodbye too soon on September 4, 2016.   Lost his adopted sister, Tess, suddenly on October 9, 2016. likely due to hemangiosarcoma.  

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Well good news and bad. Bad of course is that Ultrasound confirmed a tumour so the cancer is back. It has just made its way from the bone site of the amputation into the lymph node behind her bladder.? So good news is it's not interfering with her peeing & pooping. Bad news is the area, being in her abdomen is why it's sometimes uncomfortable for her to lay down for long. He thinks part of that uncomfortableness could be nerve pain near her hip so she is off Metacam and onto a Gabapentin. In addition to that she is on Palladia, an anti cancer drug used to shrink tumours. So bad news is that yes, our pup still has cancer but good news is, after 2hours there we feel like we have a good palliative plan moving forward. He certainly didn't think she was ready to be put down. He thinks we can manage her comfortably for another 2-3 months. And if the Palladia works (takes 5 weeks to know for sure) then we could have her up to 6 months more. So once again, we will just continually enjoy any bonus days with her that we have coming to us! She is tuckered out & we are heading HOME ❤️

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Just make sure to make a stop on the way for a cheeseburger!  

Otis - 106 pound lab/Dane mix, lost his right front leg to osteosarcoma on Febuary 9, 2016.  Four rounds of carboplatin completed in April, 2016.  Lung mets August 25, 2016.  Said goodbye too soon on September 4, 2016.   Lost his adopted sister, Tess, suddenly on October 9, 2016. likely due to hemangiosarcoma.  

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Yeah, use OTIS as your role model for what he did when his human was told he had mets (which meant nothi g to hi , stopped on the way home and woofed down a cheeseburger!

Considering how much worse this particular Vet appt could have gone...And maybe this sou ds out of place, vut...YAAAAAAAAAY FOR SUPER KYLIE!!!! 'This SUPER GAL ain't goin anywhere yet!!! Well,maybe to the Lake and her kiddoe pool more often!! :-)! You DO have a plan for more continued QUAILITY time!!!!! 🙂

KYLIE IS A ROCK and so are her humans!!! 🙂 🙂

Now,from this point forward, just like youve been doing vut even with more conviction...LIVE IN THE NOW!!! Your instincts have been spot on so there is NO MORE room for wasted energy "vuilt" questions and no more room for obsessing about poopicon_pngpoopicon_pngin ANY form!!

Well, you can "obsess" about how to spoil her even more every day!!! Never mind....that's IMPOSSIBLE!!

Did he keep her in a dose of appetite stimulant or give her any nausea meds? And btw, many dogs are on various doses of Gabapentin for many mo ths, and even years at a time. If part of her pain is nerve pressure related, this could certainly be helpful!!

SUPER KYLIE YOU KEEP ON ROCKIN' SWEET GIRL!! I know you'll be a very tired soggy tonight, and maybe a bit more restless and u comfortable with all that poking and prodding. So tell your Mom NO WORRIES!!! That's to be expected sometimes after a day like today!!

I REALLY AM HAPPY TO KNOW YOU WILL HAVE MORE TIME FOR LOVING AND SPOILING.....REALLY, REALLY AM HAPPY!!

Lots of love and a few heartfelt hugs thrown I !!heartheartheart

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Oh miss Kylie DID get a burger! She enjoyed a bacon cheeseburger from Wendy's on the way home. And also some of my vanilla frosty!! (ice cream) 😃 Afterall Kylie doesn't know she has cancer! Kylie doesn't care. She is enjoying being spoiled. 😉

We are exhausted & all going to sleep well tonight I think 😁

We started the Gabapentin tonight but she also still gets the Tramadol. We'll see if she has a better sleep tonight. Oh and a small poop again before bed 👍She groaned during  it though and I felt bad, wondering how her little abdomen muscles are feeling? 🙁

She starts the Palladia on Friday. She had already had Metacam this morning so they want it all out of her system before they start it. She already looks high and she had the Gaba not even half an hour ago and still needs tramadol before bed. Yup I bet she will sleep well tonight lol 

goodnight all and thanks so much again 

pics to be uploaded tomorrow once I'm rested!

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Oh I'm so glad you got some answers. I wish there was more good news than not, but at least you all have a plan and even the vet feels that she can still have a good quality of life. That's sayin' something so YAY! You sound pawsitive too, that's so good for Kylie.

Spoil that girl rotten and give her lots of love from us. If you want to read more about Palladia, there are several Palladia discussions going on in the Forums about it.

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Thank you!!  I most certainly will read more about it. I want to know more about Gabapentin too. I've been looking online. She is pretty out of it today though. Watching her just laying there sleeping makes me sad & question if doing all this to prolong her life is the best thing for HER, not us. 🤔 I guess it's normal to second guess myself right? 

But luckily kevin (my voice of reason) is reminding me she had a BIG day yesterday with the 2hrs each way in the car, the Vet visit (she stood a lot because she wouldn't lay down) and then the shaving belly to do ultrasound, who knows how hard they had to push on that mass to get a good reading. Also she is on a new pain med (the Gabapentin) which they said will make her sleepy & lose appetite (lovely considering that's already how she is! ☹️) so ya, I'm a little down in the dumps today.  Wondering what have I done to my girl?! 

But I also have to remember that mornings are always rough for her since she's been sick and so hopefully she will come around more later, and perk up and get some food in her for strength. I guess the realization that this nasty disease is slowly killing my sweet lively energetic girl and we won't see "that" girl as we know her ever again. That's what upsets me the most! And being powerless in that.  Having to resort to "palliative" care really really sucks. 😡Cancer just makes me so angry.  So unless she comes around in the next week, im really not sure this is the life I want for her, or us, for this next 5 week plan. I love her SOOOOOO much.  And it's just so hard to talk or think like this. I truly hope Kevin is right & she just needs time for all of this in her system working as it should and maybe we'll see positive changes such as energy & appetite.  Sorry it's just a down day here for me, meanwhile I should be thrilled to still wake up to my sweet girl here with us. 

It also doesn't help that we live directly across from a park and when I see a healthy dog running around happy & playing it makes me SO sad. Especially when she sees him too and she's walking and limping so slow and needs assistance up to the front step to get back in the house! Those are the times I think WTF are we doing with this poor dog! 

BUT other times she wags her tail sooooo happy to see me enter a room, her ears are up! She responds when I talk to her by turning her head to "listen" to me, and gives me umpteen kisses on my face! Those are the times it makes the thought of putting her down unthinkable. So I guess it's a bit of a wait & see game now, to see if she responds well to this new plan, and go from there..

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I'm so sorry you are having such a hard time. You sound emotionally exhausted, which is hardly surprising. And for heavens sake, please don't apologise for saying how you are feeling. That's what this is for, and how can we hope to support you if you don't? It's incredibly hard, and between you and 'voice of reason' Kevin, you are doing the most amazing job of looking after Kylie. It's really hard sometimes watching healthy dogs tearing around and having fun, especially when Kylie is having a difficult day. It's only human to feel like that, but of course, as a dog, Kylie isn't making these comparisons at all. She's just sleeping because she's tired after her big day out (I'm certain you're right that that will have affected her. It certainly does with my girls, even though I'm the one doing the driving, lol), and the gabapentin is probably making her drowsy, but that doesn't mean she's feeling bad. Drowsy is quite nice when you are curled up and cosy and with the people you love and who love you more than anything in the world.

Big hug, please do let us know how she, and you, are doing today.

Sending love,

Meg, Clare and Elsie Pie xxx

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EXACTLY WHAT CLARE SAID!!!! DITTO, DITTO AND MORE DITTO!!!! 🙂 🙂 🙂 Well said Clare!!

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