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4 October 2016 - 9:05 pm
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I did notice Sally's typing and I did wonder.. very interesting mistyping patterns.

Thank you all once again for all the encouragement and understanding.

Shelby mom -- I do think of your story, it's partially why I'm even considering this. I know it's not exactly the same sequence of events, but it's somewhat similar.. 

The photos were taken in various places -- Acadia NP Maine, Cape Breton Nova Scotia, Sawtooth NF Idaho.. Medicine Bow Wyoming, mostly those places..  We live about an hour north of NYC, but are surrounded by nature here.  Fred, however, is very fond of towns and smells, he is very attracted to garbage dumps and pizza shops, probably because I always made sure that he got enough time in nature, and didn't do as good of job to make sure he spent sufficient time around garbage, although he really did try his best. 

Also, he is not terribly big, I think his last weigh in was at 43 pounds, and I have a feeling his spleen is probaby at least a couple of pounds of that.. He does have a large body, especially compared to his head, which doesn't seem to subtract from his appeal

Oh, he is also probably the best known crag (rock climbing cliff) dog in the area.  All the rangers know him and allow him to be off-leash in very crowded areas since he's always been very chill.. When we took him with us climbing, somehow he always managed to find someone on the ground to pet him while we were on the cliff and very often we would pass some people and they would go "hi Fred!!" and I had absolutely no idea who they were. Not sure how that happens because he doesn't have a name tag on his collar. He also managed to steal probably close to a dozen sandwiches, blocks of cheese and various other food items throughout the years that climbers left on the ground or on top of their packs thinking they would be safe.. I wasn't proud of him at the time.. well, maybe that is not entirely true..

I do try to remember that it's not the last bit that defines us, but in order to make it through it, we have to live in the moment, even if it's really bad sucky moment.  Embrace the suckiness??  I know what happens when you bottle things up and it's not pretty.. 

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4 October 2016 - 9:37 pm
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Besides embracing the suckiness I do feel somewhat better and more stable now after all these exchanges... thank you guys.

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4 October 2016 - 10:33 pm
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Here is a suggestion.  Tonight, before you go to the vet write down your thought process and why you are following the path you have chosen.

When my pug Maggie was diagnosed with her second cancer I decided for many reasons that I would not treat it.  I wrote down my thought process on why I chose not to treat the cancer. I was very comfortable with my decision, I knew I was doing my best.  I had to let Maggie go 3 months later.  And although I was still sure I had done my best, those 'what if' questions would pop into my head once in a while and I would start down the 'maybe I should have...' path.  Being able to review my thoughts at the time I made the decisions I did really helped me come back to knowing I had done my best and the best thing for Maggie.

You are doing the best you can with really crappy options.

Karen and Spirit Maggie

Tri-pug Maggie survived a 4.5 year mast cell cancer battle only to be lost to oral melanoma.

1999 to 2010

 

              Maggie's Story                  Amputation and Chemo

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Julka7 - I haven't really commented much because my Otis had a different cancer and a very different situation, in many ways my final decision was easier.  But please know that we all understand your grief.  I cannot tell you how many times I have had to restrain myself from posting about how much I miss Otis and how hard it is to carry on without my dog.  We get it.  And we get how agonizing it is to try to make the best decision for Fred without being able to talk with him about his wishes. I wish I could say something to truly help, but hopefully it helps to know that you are surrounded by people who understand your love for Fred.

Otis - 106 pound lab/Dane mix, lost his right front leg to osteosarcoma on Febuary 9, 2016.  Four rounds of carboplatin completed in April, 2016.  Lung mets August 25, 2016.  Said goodbye too soon on September 4, 2016.   Lost his adopted sister, Tess, suddenly on October 9, 2016. likely due to hemangiosarcoma.  

Wherever they are, they are together.

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Fred had a very bad night, obvious pain or some sort of discomfort, I dont know if he slept at all, eyes open and fast breathing the whole night. Even pot butter didn't help anymore. Took him to the vet in the morning, they did blood work and said his red blood count is very low.  He didn't exactly recommend removing the spleen, because he said the chances of him coming out of surgery are extremely small, since as I mentioned, he wouldn't bring him back if he saw signs of metastasis and at this point he almost definitely expects to see them. 

Besides putting him down another option is just to let him be and to have him potentially reabsorb the blood, but he is not eating, can barely stand and is in obvious discomfort, so I don't think it's an option. Besides if there are metastasis everywhere, how much better could he possibly get if I let him be.. At this point it is really not even a semblance of quality life. 

I asked him then what he would do if it was his dog. And he said, "well, if it was my dog, I'd open him up because I don't give up on anything and miracles do happen."  Basically he is not recommending surgery because of the extra cost involved.  I don't really care about that and he said he wouldn't bring him back unless he thought it would give him a good amount of time, so we are going to go through it.  I do understand that it's just a very expensive way of putting him down, but I guess I need to know I tried.  The oncologist said that there is a slight chance that whatever is in his spleen is not actually cancer -- a small chance, but a chance nevertheless, so I guess I need to make sure.. The only difference it makes to Fred is that we do have to take him to the vet.  The vet said we can't give him a sedative, because his red blood cell count is so low that it would probably kill him.  He did say to park away from the office and that he will come out and put him under while he is in the car.. 

I do feel okay with this decision for the time being.

I do feel like I have the strength to deal with this now, largely thanks to you guys. 

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5 October 2016 - 1:36 pm
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Oh gosh, you have THE best vet in the world! I have a few tears flowing as I'm reading through this FOR various reasons. Ut when I got to the part where yiur Vet is going to meet you at a parking lot away from the hospital and put him underin his own car with his humans right there....WOW!!! WOW!!! This is not only a testament to this gentle man's genuine compassion, but also a testament to what a very special boy Fred is to him, as well as how special you and your boyfriend are to him.

And you are ALL VERY SPECIAL TO US!!!

You have done an incredibly thoughtful process arriving to this decision. You have displayed a strength and a courage that we all wish we could infuse ourselves with in making such a difficult decision. I think Fred has helped in the decision making process too. He has shown you his body is no longer serving him at this point and it could only get worse without some form of intervention.

You are leaving no stone unturned! There is NO reason to second guess anything now!! You are no longer stuck with the "what ifs and if only"....you are trying EVERYTHING!!! Just like we do with everything on this journey, you are giving him a "chance", slim or not, you are making sure you are doing EVERYTHING and Fred appreciates that!

We are ALL sending you love and support and all the strength the Tripawd community has to offer!! Vut your REAL strength is already within you! Your power is coming from your great love for Fred!

Place your hand on Fred's heart right now. Feel his strength and love flow up your arm and into your heart. He is with you always and you are with him always.heartheart

With love,

Sally and Alumni Happy Hannah and Merry Myrtle and Frankie

Happy Hannah had a glorious additional bonus time of over one yr & two months after amp for osteo! She made me laugh everyday! Joined April's Angels after send off meal of steak, ice cream, M&Ms & deer poop!

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5 October 2016 - 6:54 pm
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So I made the mistake of reading this while I was at work... and instant tears so I had to come back. I am so sorry you are here and going through this and making this decision. BUT you are making it with so much love in your heart and Fred knows this. I know that he does... 

Like our vet said to me when I got anxious ... she told me that I always made every decision for shelby with LOVE and with the knowledge and info I had at the time. And you have done that too. Every decision made with careful and thoughtful consideration and love with the knowledge you had.

You are so strong through what I know is a painful time. You may not see it but I do. I see your strength shining through... stay close to us and lean on us .. we will always be here for you.

Sending love ,

Alison with Spirit Shelby in her heart 

Shelby Lynne; Jack Russell/Shiba Inu mix. Proud member of the April Angels of 2014.

October 15, 2000 to April 8, 2014

Our story: Broke rear leg in June 2013 - non-conclusive results for cancer so leg was plated and pinned. Enlarged spleen in September 2013 and had it removed and was diagnosed with Hemangiosarcoma and started chemotherapy. Became a Tripawd January 8th, 2014 and definitive Hemangiosarcoma diagnosis. Three major surgeries in 7 months and Shelby took them all like a champ only to lose her battle to cancer in her brain. We had 8 amazing extra months together and no regrets. #shelbystrong #loveofmylife

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5 October 2016 - 7:09 pm
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Julka7, I am just so, so sorry you have to face issues with Fred's splenic mass after the fresh grief of amputation.  I want you to know, I think in your position I would likely be doing the same thing.  The possibility of having Fred enjoy time without the discomfort and nausea again would be worth it to me.  And if there are other organs compromised when they perform the surgery, then you will know it is right to let him slip away.

The pictures are so beautiful and I am certain, looking at them, that Fred cannot possibly hate you.  You are just very sensitive to his discomfort - that dog loves you, it is clear.  And has had a wonderful life as your companion.

My friend's 11 year old dog just had a splenectomy last Monday - he also has a heart murmur and issues with anesthesia, so it was no easy call.  His spleen mass was histiocytic sarcoma rather than hemangiosarcoma, but he has, post op, gone from being very lethargic and ill, to bright and energetic in just a few days. This is a big surgery, no doubt, but I have known several dog who clearly feel much better very soon after the op.  I knew one who lived another 8 years, but he was a record breaker, of course.

Love and very best thoughts.  Fred is a lucky boy to be so loved.

Lisa, Minneapolis

On October 27, 2016, nearly 6 months after amputation, and 18 months since his cancer likely started, we lost Pofi to a recurrence of Soft Tissue Sarcoma in his spine quite suddenly.  His canine sister also succumbed to cancer on March 1, 2019 - we lavished her with our love in the interim, but life was never quite the same without her only real canine friend. Cliff kitty had to leave us, too, suddenly, in August 2019. Lucia kitty grieved all these losses, but helped us welcome two new Lurchers into our home and our lives, Shae and Barley.

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5 October 2016 - 8:11 pm
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Thank you all, as always, for being there.

Had to say goodbye to Fred this afternoon.  I asked the vet to check out the lungs after he put him under, and they were full of tumors, so we never even got to surgery.

The going under process, unfortunately, was very painful.  I think it's partially due to his state - he didn't seem to tolerate any sort of injections (he wasn't that way before) and actually bit the vet, and they couldn't give him a sedative because his blood pressure was so low.  The vet said that his brain was probably not functioning right because of blood loss and lung metastasis.  It was tough..I had no idea it would be as bad as it was.. but I'm glad we didn't wait any longer that we did.. Although now of course I feel guilty for waiting too long.. I suspect there are plenty of things to feel guilty about especially if you're jewish. 

I do think something was off with him in a sense that I don't think I've seen him sleep or actually close his eyes in the last couple of days, it's like he was fighting to be awake regardless of what happens.. compensating for low blood oxygen? I also wonder if the cancer went into his brain.. 

Got to witness my boyfriend cry first time since we've been together - 5-6 years?  The vet actually started tearing up too when we were leaving. 

It's over now. He is buried in the the field surrounded by woods, illegally (as the rest of my dogs). 

Thank you again for all your support. I feel like something in me is shutting down, since I've been holding it together for about 6 weeks and now I don't need to anymore. 

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5 October 2016 - 8:41 pm
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I'm so very sorry that you lost your sweet Fred.  You obviously loved him very much.  You  shared some amazing adventures together - you pictures are great!  I love the close-up of his face.  He looks like he was built like my Max is - I call him short stack lol.  Please don't be hard on yourself!  You did so much for Fred.  You gave him a chance at a good life and were willing to try more for him, his body was done here. 

heartDonna

Donna, Glenn & Murphy 

Murphy had his right front leg amputated due to histiocytic sarcoma at 7 years old. He survived 4 years, 2 months & 1 week, only to be taken by hemangiosarcoma at 11 1/2 years 6/12/17  
Read about Murphy's Life on Three Legs

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5 October 2016 - 8:49 pm
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I'm so sorry that Fred has gone on ahead. 

Let out everything you have been holding in for these past weeks.  You got an impossible diagnosis with hemangio and still did everything you possibly could for your boy.  No doubts,  no regrets.

I know you feel a bit of guilt for trying this last surgery, but as you said earlier you would have not found peace without finding out.

Fred is whole again and happy.  He will be forever in your heart and so will never really leave your side.

Karen and Spirit Maggie

Tri-pug Maggie survived a 4.5 year mast cell cancer battle only to be lost to oral melanoma.

1999 to 2010

 

              Maggie's Story                  Amputation and Chemo

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5 October 2016 - 9:20 pm
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I am so sorry, so very sorry, that you've had to bid a temporary goodbye to your boy.  I say temporary, because, he'll be waiting for you, tail-wagging, to lead you up your very last climb. 

I admire your courage that comes through in your words.  Don't be strong, if you don't want to be -- we all have been in your shoes in one way or another, and we understand.  You did everything you could and in the face of adversity you didn't give up.  Please, please, don't reflect and let guilt bog you down.  Grieve as you have wanted to and kept it locked up for Fred's sake.

I'll say a prayer for you.  Please don't become a stranger. 

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I am so very sorry for your loss of your beloved Fred.... it's a horribly painful decision to make but one always made with love and devotion to be a caregiver till the very end. Of course you are feeling the inevitable shut down of emotions. It's a very surreal feeling to be left behind. But you are NOT alone. We are here for you. We are your family for forever .... 

Guilt and regret are the hardest things I had to over come ... my mind was plagued with "what if" and "did I wait too long"... your story and journey to the end sounds very much like mine (Shelby did actually get the hemangio in her brain). 

Stay close to us and if you feel up to it, share memories of Fred... the good, the bad, the everything ... more about the trash (or lack there of) and the mountains and hikes and journeys you shared together. 

Sending you love and hugs and strength!

Shelby Lynne; Jack Russell/Shiba Inu mix. Proud member of the April Angels of 2014.

October 15, 2000 to April 8, 2014

Our story: Broke rear leg in June 2013 - non-conclusive results for cancer so leg was plated and pinned. Enlarged spleen in September 2013 and had it removed and was diagnosed with Hemangiosarcoma and started chemotherapy. Became a Tripawd January 8th, 2014 and definitive Hemangiosarcoma diagnosis. Three major surgeries in 7 months and Shelby took them all like a champ only to lose her battle to cancer in her brain. We had 8 amazing extra months together and no regrets. #shelbystrong #loveofmylife

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I also am so sorry for your loss.  Fred sounded like an adventurous spirit, and your lives and ours are diminished by his passing.  But, you did everything you possibly could to fight.  Absolutely everything.  If Fred could speak to you now, he would tell you to remember the glorious lifetime you shared, not the last few hours.

Otis - 106 pound lab/Dane mix, lost his right front leg to osteosarcoma on Febuary 9, 2016.  Four rounds of carboplatin completed in April, 2016.  Lung mets August 25, 2016.  Said goodbye too soon on September 4, 2016.   Lost his adopted sister, Tess, suddenly on October 9, 2016. likely due to hemangiosarcoma.  

Wherever they are, they are together.



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I am so, so, so sorry you lost your beautiful boy ...

Please try and take comfort in the fact you did absolutely everything you could and had a marvellous vet assisting you all the way.

Nobody could have done more for Fred than you did.

You and your boyfriend are the best pawrents and Fred knows it, I am sure he is now watching over you and will be waiting for you to join him one day.

He is the brightest of all stars and lives right there in your heart in a little corner that is only his. 

Wish I could hug you both, send you all my love, you are in my thoughts heart

Eurydice 77kg/170lb Great Dane limping end of April 2016, amputation (right front leg/osteosarcoma) 4 May 2016 6 courses of carboplatin followed by metronomic therapy, lung mets found 30 Nov 2016. 3 courses of doxorubicin, PET scan 26 Jan 2017 showed more mets so stopped chemo. Holistic route April 2017. Lung X-ray 5 May 2017 showed several tennis ball size mets, started cortisone and diuretics. Miss Cow earned her XXL silver wings 12 June 2017, 13 months and 1 week after amputation and 6 1/2 months after lung mets, she was the goofiest dawg ever and is now happily flying from cloud to cloud woof woofing away :-) 

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