My question is whether anyone out there has similar experiences – - atypical tumor, in the elbow, and, most importantly, a dog who does not appear to be in excruciating pain.

Raises hand and waves. Yes, left elbow, 8 yr old Rottweiler. Background: Despite being diagnosed with bilateral elbow dysplasia at about a year old, he became asymptomatic (no limping) except for feet that turned out when standing at rest, and has had a very active life and great agility career. Timeline:

Aug 2008, turned up limping at a trial. Rest didn't ease the limp, so in Sept he had xrays showing fractured coronoid process and "joint mice" which are bone chips, basically.

Oct 23, ortho surgery to remove the bone chips, knowing that it only had maybe 50:50 chance of being successful. After consideration, took chance. It was not successful….had him in physical therapy, etc etc, but he didn't improve.

Jan 2009 he got worse. Back to vet, re-xrayed, saw a little bitty spot, needle biopsy to check for fungal infection and cancer. Biopsay came back negative for both. He got much worse, very quickly, and a decision had to be made. Still thinking it was an ortho issue, I made an appointment for Feb 9 (soonest I could) for an ortho consult hoping he would be a candidate for a TATE elbow prosthesis. Exhaustive research, second/third opinions and calling all over the country led me to believe this was probably the best option.

By the time we got to MSU, he was three legged and on Fentanyl patches. By that time he was wearing his tracking harness so I could help him get up, down, and around, when I thought he needed it. He never vocalised, whined, flinched, nothing, this whole time. Just was three legged and starting to act "depressed." It was awful because he is such a high drive, exuberant dog, to see him like this and I felt so helpless.  Dr DeJardin manipulated his leg and poked around and Cooper just stood rock solid still, no reaction except a low growl (which was more comment than threat.)

They xrayed and the tiny spot from 3 1/2 weeks prior was now a blurry grey mass almost obscuring the elbow and the bone was eaten away. They said cancer, but not osteo (they thought, hemaniosarcoma or synovial cell sarcoma, I think that's right) and also saw one spot on his left lung. After the amp the path report came back with a long complicated report but basically, osteosarcoma, clear lymph nodes (yay)….it's an atypical location for the tumor as you know, and given all the ortho stuff, this confounded the diagnosis.

This is not my first osteo dog and it took me about one nanosecond to decide on amputation. He was amputated on the 13th and was up and walking from day one.  Is he "cured"? No he is not. He is way low in energy, sleeps a lot and is starting to go off his food. I had his chest re-xrayed 3 weeks ago and ultrasound; the spot on his lung is unchanged so perhaps it's not cancer, and his organs looked good except for a little ambiguous something on his spleen. Bloodwork is all normal, heart and lungs sound good, no masses (I just had him and my other two dogs at the vet yesterday for the annual heartworm blood test and requested a blood panel and exam on Cooper.)

However he goes for short daily walks, plays sometimes, goes to the beach, wades around in the water, putters around in the park peeing on things, is alert, and not hurting.

Wow, there must be something therapeutic about being able to ramble on about his story! Anyway my bottom line: I would never hesitate to do an amputation again. Chances are the pain from the tumor will shortly become unmanageable and there is no medication strong enough. If Olivia is limping, she is hurting. And being a stoic girl, she is probably hurting badly. I think you are probably getting the best advice from your vet team, and I applaud your decision. I tell you, I just couldn't wait for Cooper's nasty old leg to come off, once I knew what the deal was! I'd been warned that the sight of him might be "upsetting" afterwards but phhhhtttt. I thought he looked beautiful with the painful leg gone.

One piece of advice (I don't know if somewhat copious drainage is more common with front leg amps) – if the vets put in a drain, you may see a lot of watery/bloody discharge. This is OK. As in, drips wherever Olvia walks, little puddles when she's lying down, drippage down onto her forechest where she can't clean herself. Old towels and sheets, and clean rags with antibiotic dish washing liquid or soap to keep her clean, and to protect her dog bed or wherever she's going to lay down and sleep.

I've probably rambled long enough LOL….here are pics of Cooper from 2 days post amp to recently. Somewhere I have a video of him running in a local park at six weeks post amp to the Flight of the Bumblebee. :D Best of luck to Olivia, and her mama too!

I just made the difficult decision to amputate the front right leg of my 13 year old Rottweiler Java.   She had the surgery just this past Thursday. I viisted her at the hospital on Friday and she wanted nothing to do with me, she would not even let me pet her. 

We have been together just the two of us for the last 12 years so her reaction shook me to my core. Never has she been anything but excited to see me.  I absolutely thought I made the wrong decision. On Friday the vet was very concerned as she was extremely depressed, not eating or drinking. By Saturday she was eating and drinking a little, so they authorized her release only under strict instructions that she would have to return to the hospital for more IV fluids if she did not drink on her own.

Yesterday was extremely hard on us physically and emotionally. Java was eating and drinking but she could not navigate at all on the three legs. Even with my assistance she was falling on her face and just not functioning. I absolutley thought that I made the wrong decision. Java feel on the ice this past December. She was limping and on prednisone and when that didn't help further tests were run and she was diagnosed with osteosarcoma. She was not a candidate for amputation because she has marked joint degeneration in the back and back legs and a repaired ACL in the back leg.   The cancer is in her front right leg. Although Java is 13 she is very active. Thus, unfortunately after 5 weeks of radiation, 3 chemo sessions and weekly accupuncture and chiropractic care, Java slipped and fractured her leg at the cancer site. This is the news that I learned just this past Thursday.

The option was amputation or . .. . ..  Since Java's blood work was clear and her lungs are clear, I wanted to give her the opportunity to live and tried the amputation. I was beside myself last night and logged in for the first time and chatted with Jerrie. He provided much needed support and provided other stories of other large breed (Java is 62 pounds) older dogs who have successfully handled amputaton.  It is now 10:30 pm CDT on Sunday, 3 days after her surgery and I cannot believe the diference. She is still a little wobbly (she is still on the Fentyl patch) but Java is getting along quite nicely on her own. I still assist her with the sling, and she still is falling every now and then, but she is showing progress. Just yesterday she didn't even want to try to walk.

I am very positive with her and tell her how strong she is and how she can do anything. It kills me to see her like this, but with the fracture she was in so much pain and wasn't walking anyhow, at least now she is pain free. My next step is to order her a cart from Eddie's Wheels. Does anyone have experience with this organization? 

Java loves the park and to walk and with her age and arthrtis problems, I think the wheel cart will really help her live the last year or so of her life to the fullest. Anyhow, my advice is that the amputation is probably the best course of action, be prepared for the worst but give it time. I can honestly state that every day gets better. She tinkled on her own just a few hours ago when yesterday she acted like she would never walk again because she wouldn't even balance on 3 legs. 

I truely believe that dogs pick up a lot from your emotions, so I also think it is extremely helpful to them for you to be strong, positive and encouraging to them!  Thanks for letting me express what I have been going through the last 2 days and I wish you the best of luck!

When the vets told us that Willy was in pain, we found it hard to believe. Sure he was limping, but he was also running around and playing, never crying or whining! But the xrays were pretty convincing that it was cancer. We strongly resisted the amputation because it seemed like mutilating our beautiful boy, but then we found this site! We are so very, very glad that we amputated that cancerous leg. Willy has recovered just fine (10 weeks post-amputation); he has no pain and is happily hopping on 3 legs. We even have some family members who were reluctant to come and visit, because they were afraid to see him in "this state". That whole attitude is so wrong. Dogs don't care. Dogs live in the moment and are so happy to be able to love us and play with us. We cherish every day with our boy and we are so grateful that this site gave us the courage to do what was clearly the right thing for us. You'll be able to ask questions about the process with Leah all along the way. There is so much support here. And as Jerry said: "there is no wrong decision". Good luck!

How did it go Leah? We seem to be in the same boat, kinda…

I'm debating amputation for my australian kelpie mix, Dixie. She's about 57lbs and we guess 4-5 years old (she's a rescue). In about 6 mos, she grew a tumor vaguely smaller than a softball on her front left elbow. About a month ago she developed the slightest, almost unnoticable limp so we decided to have it removed about 10 days ago. We got the biopsy results back and turns out she has a grade I soft-tissue sarcoma (only 5-10% chance of metastisizing). The vet recommends we amputate the leg to “increase her chances of a disease-free life.”

For now, we've decided to let her recover from her elbow surgery and take her on some four-legged doggie adventures—longer hikes/runs, camping. Like Jerry, she LOVES being in the wilderness. We are thinking October is a good time to do the amputation surgery, with a chest xray before to make sure it hasn't spread.

But I wonder, “Are we being too aggressive?” Dixie was getting around great, running and jumping. I never noticed a change her in behavior. The cancer has such a low chance of spreading. I've read a lot about canine osteosarcoma—all the pain those dogs have—and how they recover quickly because it's a relief to have the leg gone. Since Dixie uses her left leg with no problem, I'm concerned she'll have a harder time recovering.

I guess I just need some reassurance due to her current pain-free situation… Thanks!!

Thanks for that link! That sounds very similar to our situation. Dixie's tumor is also a "nuisance tumor." Because of the location and how deeply attached it was to the ligaments, they were not able to remove all of it. Even this past surgery was much more invasive than any other surgeries she's had. Knowing that other people/dogs have been in similar situations and have come out well on the other end makes me feel a lot better!

Thanks for the great website! I'll keep you posted.