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I know Hill's did some research that showed their n/d cancer diet had a beneficial effect on lymphoma patients, but there isn't a lot of information on whether or not it would help dogs with osteosarcoma--it does make intuitive sense that it could help, though. Unfortunately, it's extremely expensive for a big dog. Anyway, this is a link to a recipe formulated by the Animal Care Cancer Center for Animals--it is supposed to approximate what is in Hill's n/d:

http://www.cvsa.....erdiet.htm

The website also has a lot of good general information about pets with cancer.

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Seriously awesome link, thank you. Honestly, I'm not that impressed with the Hill's formula, it just seems to have too many highly commercial ingredients in it. The recipe you posted seems really healthy and natural. Thanks again!

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I think the biggest advantage to the Hill's diet (other than the fact that you don't have to cook it yourself) is that they really manage to cram extremely high levels of n-3 fatty acids into it, which actually have a fair number of studies that support their anti-neoplastic effects. And you can also don't have to worry about insufficient amounts/improper ratios of nutrients because your measuring was a little off, vitamins were expired or lost efficacy due to poor improper storage, etc.

Personally, I think I'll go with a mixture of both, just to make sure I have all the bases covered.

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Personally, I think I'll go with a mixture of both, just to make sure I have all the bases covered.


I think that's a good way to go. We had to do that with my diet, because I lost too much weight on a 100 percent raw diet. Mom mixed my home made food up with Innova's Evo kibble, and it was a good balance.

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I spoke with our oncologist about feeding Hill's n/d--she said it's not something she usually pushes for her osteosarcoma patients for the following reasons: there are no published studies on n/d in osteosarcoma dogs, it gives some dogs diarrhea (I assume because the fat content is so high, but I forgot to ask), and at about $2-3/can it is a REALLY expensive diet for a large dog, and most OS dogs are giant. But since I can buy the food at an extremely reduced rate through a program for veterinary students, she said go for it.

So once the nausea from my dog's first round of chemo wore off, I started mixing it into his regular food, trying to switch him over slowly so I don't throw his digestive system for a loop. He likes it much better than his Innova kibble.

I noticed it had these white bits in it that at first i thought were rice granules, then realized were fat globules. It got me wondering--exactly how much omega-3 fatty acids are in there?

So looked at the nutrient analysis and did some calculations (feel free to check my math). One 360g can of n/d contains about 7.7g omega-3 fatty acids, which is the equivalent of about 25 1000mg fish oil capsules (each capsule contains about 300mg EPA + DHA). A 100lb dog would eat about 3-4 cans of n/d per day.

By contrast, a 375g can of Innova EVO contains only 1.65g n-3 FA. I'm not sure how many cans of EVO a 100lb dog would eat, but if you assume it would also be 3-4 cans per day that would mean supplementing the EVO with 60-80 fish oil capsules per day to get the same amount as what is in n/d. That's a lot!

On a side note--while reading up on the effects of omega-3 FA on cancer, I found a study that found Vitamin E antagonized its beneficial effects.

Nutrition is such a complicated thing even without throwing in cancer...

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Which fish oil caps are you buying?  I use the 3VCaps HP brand and each capsule has 540 mg of EPA and 350 mg of DHA or about 900 mg of beneficial oils per capsule.  Tazzie also gets some omega fatty acids from her Innova canned and dry food plus other supplements so I only give her 3 per day.  If you can get on VIN you can see that there is a large difference of opinion on what type and dosage to use, but even for a giant breed you shouldn't need over 10 caps per day.

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Wow, just want to say that we are so grateful to have such knowledge and a desire to search for answers here at Tripawds! Thank you Tazziedog and abc for your insight, it means so much!

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Hello, the link for cancer diet is not working, can anyone help?

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Hmmm. I have to run out but if you flip through these articles on the CVS page you may find it.

http://www.cvsa...../articles/

Meanwhile be sure to check out the Tripawds Nutrition blog for lots of cancer diet tips.

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Since my Zeus was just diagnosed with OSA, I have been reading everything I can find about treatment including nutrition. There a lot of good articles out there but the general consensus from a food perspective only.

no grains and lean protein and veggies/fruits.

i personally bought a crock pot and just throw in basically what I have in the house. No starch and low glycemic: green beans, sweet peas, berries. And for protein, eggs, and either poultry or hamburger (grass fed) , basically what is on sale. I equate it with the Atkins diet that was popular in the 90s. I have also read good things about fermented vegetables such as sauerkraut. 

i also use Honest KItchen (no puppy formula since the phosphorus is too high for my other dog).

I also add fish oil, coconut oil and flax seed. I also feed him grass feed yogurt and cottage cheese.  I have been reading about supplements but still haven't decided what is appropriate.

it really isn't that hard to make once you get in the habit. I am currently feeding three dogs this way and it's cheaper than premium dog food.

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Welcome trifid, your future posts will not have to wait for approval.

Thanks for sharing your 'recipe' here.

Please consider starting your own thread under Share Your Story or Presentation and Diagnosis so you can introduce you and Zeus and tell us your story.

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