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Cemil's canine cancer diet
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This is a description of Cemil's diet originally posted elsewhere.

Okay…First, into his dish goes Evo poultry kibble (because beef is more inflammatory, says my acupuncturist);

In the blender goes a mixture of raw dark green, orange or purple vegetables (usually green beans, various kinds of greens, carrots, sweet potatoes, broccoli, red or orange peppers–pick 2 for each meal), a heaping spoonful of whey protein, and a cup of filtered water–do enough so that after it's blended it's about the same amount as the kibble, and pour it on top of the kibble. 

Then the pills–Cemil eats his pills along with his food, so they go into the mix: Co-Q10, freeze-dried Acai berry, Salmon oil, vit. A & D combination, and ImmPower (American BioSciences).  And probiotic powder (from Flint River).  If he's stressed about anything, I also add a couple drops of Rescue Remedy.

The Hoxsey-like Formula (Wise Woman Herbals) is given by syringe into his mouth.  Then I quickly give him his dish of enriched Evo-vegetable soup to kill the taste of that nasty Hoxsey stuff.

For an interesting trip into history, do a Google search for “Hoxsey cancer treament” and see what turns up.

If you're lucky enough, like I am, to have an animal acupuncturist nearby, they could recommend things specific to your dog's needs (this is important). Cemil gets a blend of things that I believe in, that my acupuncturist believes in, and that his acupuncturist believes in–and she approved the entire combination.  Making the final choice of what to use is difficult because there are so many options–I've changed a few things already. Happy research!

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Mary, you are awesome, thank you for posting this here. I know others will benefit from being able to read it. Keep us updated on how it works for him.

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I would like to add Dr Pam's comment to the original post, that " it is best to customize these treatments to the individual dog."

I don't know if this is going to work for Cemil, for the long haul, but even if it does, it might not work for another dog with a different constitution.  So it's only offered as what we do.  And I love hearing about what other people do, since we are all different.  Let's have some more...

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Thanks for posting Cemil's diet.   He must be loving his meals!

I am under the impression that as whole food (not sure about in kibble state), chicken is warmer than beef.   There are conflicting messages about beef: some says warm, some says neutral.

There is also saying that different methods of food preparation can make the same food different.  Even though chicken is considered as warm, steamed is less warm than stir fried, even less so than grilled.  Duck is neutral, I cannot remember if turkey is warm or neutral (I imagine that it is less warm than chicken).  What is the percentage of chicken in EVO poultry kibbles? 

As you said, different patients have different constitutions.  My understanding is that in general, cancer patients should not have warming food.  When in doubt, stay with the neutral food.  I'd like to learn more about what Cemil's acupuncturist said about food energetics related to cancer cases.

For those who are interested, here are a couple of links which list some common foods with their hot-warm-neutral-cool-cold scale.

http://acupunct.....odlist.htm
http://www.aaao.....GETICS.htm

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Genie said:

 What is the percentage of chicken in EVO poultry kibbles? 


Great links, thanks Genie.

Evo doesn't make a poultry-only kibble, but they do make a canned chicken and turkey option. I looked on the EVO website to find out the percentage of chicken in their Large Bites dry food, but they don't give it. I've sent an email to them to find out. Will keep you posted.

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Genie, thanks.  You're much better informed than I am.  It was my own acupuncturist who told me that poultry would be better than beef.  Cemil's acupuncturist's main concern was limiting carbs.  She okay'd the ones in the vegetables, though.  Her part was the vitamins A&D, the ImmPower, the salmon oil and the Hoxsey formula.  My acupuncturist (who works a lot with human cancer patients) recommended adding an anti-oxidant, the vegetables and whey protein in place of some of the kibble, and the probiotics.  The Co-Q10 is something I've been giving him, and all the other dogs, all along.

Like eveyone else, I wish there was a way to know what would be the best thing to do.  I'll certainly look at those links you provided.

You said "I'd like to learn more about what Cemil's acupuncturist said about food energetics related to cancer cases."  She didn't say anything about that.  She likes Evo because of the low carbs, but she didn't make any recommendation between the beef and ..the other one (I said poultry because I know it has chicken and turkey; I think it also has fish). 

Thank you for giving me some things to think about and ask about.  This is scary because if I make a bad choice, I won't know until it's too late.  So I'm glad for as much discussion as possible.

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If the vet said chicken was better than beef to Cemil, then chicken probably more suitable specifically for Cemil.  I've heard of a dog who has hemangiosarcoma.  Opposite to what most of us follow NOT to feed grains, the TCM vet prescribed barley for the dog.  The reason behind was that the dog had damp-heat, and barley would drain that.  So I would say general rules are "general", there are certainly a lot of other factors that needed to bring into consideration when a vet designs a plan of attack, e.g. individual patient's conditions/constitution.  Barley is by far a lot better than other grains, and even better than carbs like pasta.

Speaking of carbs, carbs gets converted into sugar(glucose), and end up feeding cancer cells.  The whole idea is to keep the patient's blood glucose at a low and steady level (small frequent meals would help).   Any sudden spike of glucose entering into the bloodstream will subsequently trigger a spike of insulin, which is not good, even worse for cancer patients.  The more processed a particular food, the faster the carbs be converted to glucose. (so I am thinking ... in some cases, little bit of grains are not as bad, as long as it is whole grains, and not being reheated over and over again.  BUT personally, I would still refrain from feeding Genie grains if I were to do it all over again)

Cemil's supplements looks very similar to what Genie used to have, and yes she had Hoxey Formula too.  If you can afford the time for preparing his meals, perhaps try some chicken meat (cooked with low heat) if you are not comfortable feeding raw, to give him more variaties besides kibbles.  Oh, if you have a chance, ask your vet about pork too (of course cooked).  Pork is considering cooling.  See if that would suit Cemil's system, so he doesn't get bored with chicken meat.

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Cemil also has the issue of possible allergies causing ear infections.  I think that may be a factor favoring chicken.  The doctor also suggested an alternative kibble which was duck and rabbit based, with vegetables.  I stayed with Evo because it's more available, but now that I've seen the list of "warm" vs "cool" foods, that seems like a good one (even though the reason was allergies, not cancer).  I just remember that it had a blue bag.  I'll have to find out what it was.

Thanks for all your good information.  I'm not through learning yet!

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Speaking of blood glucose (I looked back to some of your previous posts about it, as it relates to carbs)...one of my other dogs has diabetes so I have the ability to test blood.  Would it be helpful to monitor Cemil's blood glucose level -- and if so, what should I be looking for?  A steady low reading? Would that be around 100, or less?  This is a new thought!  I check Alle's blood from time to time, but it never occurred to me to check Cemil's.

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Mary, our member Chris has a ton of experience with diabetes and chemo. You may want to PM her and see what kind of feedback she can also offer. Just a thought.

Also, just remember, there are no "bad" choices, we all do the best we can with the information and resources at hand. Cemil will love you to pieces no matter what, and so will we!

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Genie said:

What is the percentage of chicken in EVO poultry kibbles? 


I received an email answer from Innova, makers of EVO. Here is what they said:

"Thank you for contacting Natura Pet Products with your concerns regarding our foods. I am sorry but the percentage of meat in our foods is proprietary information. The chicken and turkey are first and second on the ingredient deck, which means by weight they are the most prevalent ingredient in the food."

Not what I wanted to hear, wish they could tell more. Sigh.

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cemil said:

Speaking of blood glucose (I looked back to some of your previous posts about it, as it relates to carbs)…one of my other dogs has diabetes so I have the ability to test blood.  Would it be helpful to monitor Cemil's blood glucose level — and if so, what should I be looking for?  A steady low reading? Would that be around 100, or less?  This is a new thought!  I check Alle's blood from time to time, but it never occurred to me to check Cemil's.


Hey, don't really have to monitor Cemil's blood glucose level like that.   By eliminating the bad carbs intake, and feed him occasionally good carbs wisely, you are doing good enough already.   After all, we all need some certain carbs to get our vital organs going.  You don't want to stress yourself out either.  Just go with your instinct. 

I agree with Jerry, that there is no “bad” choice/decision.   We all are caring pawrents, and want to give our tripawds the best chance to fight back.  We can only work with the info we have got available.

I just ran into this article: Carbohydrates and Cancer.

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