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Not YET, but if they pass at home and you have young kids...
6 February 2011
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what do you do?

As I posted under another topic, Mika is no longer on her last legs, meaning she couldn't make it back into the house after her potty break tonight and my husband had to carry her to her bed.  <sigh>  I'm worried that she's not going to make it through the night and that my girls (5 yrs old and 3 yr old twins) will see her after she's passed.  Do we keep them away from her?  Do we let her pet them after she's gone?

Such horrible questions to ask, but I'm hoping that someone can provide some guidance, just in case she doesn't make it through the night.  I'll be sleeping on the floor with her in my room with the door locked, but I have no idea what tomorrow will bring.

If anyone can offer up suggestions, I'd be most appreciative.

 

Thanks,

A tearful Mari

6 February 2011
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Mari, I don't know the answers for you–I just wanted to let you know that you aren't the only one awake.
Sending you good thoughts as you're sitting with Mika behind your locked door. I hope someone with kids wakes up.
You're certainly in my thoughts and prayers right now.
Mary

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6 February 2011
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I don't have kids, so I'm not sure if my opinion will change once I DO have kids – however I have taken courses relating to grief in children (I'm an early childhood educator). 

I wouldn't keep them away if she passes at home. Taking them to the vet with you may or may not be too traumatic for them, so that would be your call, you know your little ones best.

Death is a very difficult concept for little ones, because it's so abstract – the closure of seeing the dog often helps as long as it's not gruesome or tragic.  

However, if you don't think you can keep yourself together in front of them, you may want to keep them away from her. A little crying and sadness is perfectly okay and acceptable – but if you can't keep yourself composed, it might just scare them more than anything.  They will be looking at you for how to process and deal with it. Ideal situation is to let them know it's okay to be sad and upset but that their buddy is OK and isn't scared or hurting anymore. 

Your youngest likely won't understand and will probably have questions for weeks/months to come while she tries to understand. Your oldest will have a better grasp of this but might not understand the permanency of it just yet. 

If they're crafty little girls who like to draw and color – be sure to offer them lots of opportunities to do so following the loss of Mika. Art is very therapeutic and is often used for kids to get their feelings out. You might also see it come up in pretend play.  

I'm so sorry you're at the end of Mika's journey, extra hard with little ones involved. In the end do what you feel is best for yourself and your family, you know your little ones better than anyone. Hugs to you and your family.  I hope the night went good for you.

6 February 2011
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Mari,

I was so hoping this would not be the case, that Mika would make a turn and all would be better again.  I think your little ones will surprise you.  They have hidden knowledge we sometimes don't give them credit for.  You should approach this just as you have the last 11.5 months.  Let your heart tell you what is right, what they can handle, and all will be well.

I am so very sorry.

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6 February 2011
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So sorry to hear your dillema, this road is never easy. I will offer my position on this. First, my feeling is you know your girls and how they handle different situations. Pets are a part of the family, and losing them can be as traumatic as losing a grandma, grandpa, mom,dad, etc, We all know death is a part of life, and when we were kids for the pets we were told either we had to put them to sleep or they went to sleep. We were told they weren't suffering any more, which is true. Its just that as a young kid we don't understand why they got to that point, so it needs to be explained that illness or age are the factors that lead them to that point in their life. I am going to assume you had Mika when they were all born, so they don't know life without her, that makes it tougher sometimes. I don't think you can avoid saying something, they are going to ask you questions, and I think they need to be answered honestly. Yea, it's one of the hard parts of being a parent. Do you let them see and pet her, this is the way I would deal with that question. Maybe before you do, sit them down and explained what has happened. That she went to sleep, that she is no longer hurting, she looks just the same, feels just the same, it's just that she won't be waking up, that this is a part of life. Then ask them if they want to see and pet her. I think even as kids we need to know we had the chance to say goodbye. Tears, there's going to be ALOT. Explain that she knew she was around her family and that you did everything you could to make her comfortable when she wasn't feeling good, but you can only control so much. Maybe tell them that you will clip some of her hair so that they will always have a little piece of her, might help them if they can still  see a little of her. Will they comprehend whats happened, only they will give you that answer. I hope I've helped, I don't envy you, I've been there just like most of us. our thoughts are with you, Spirit Gus and Dan   

My buddy Gus had a left front amputation on April 7, 2010 and lived a great life until July 26,2010
6 February 2011
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Hi Mari,

  I can tell you are just about to pull your hair out trying to figure out what's best for everybody (Mika, your kids, yourself etc…), so just take a LONG DEEP BREATH and BREATHE. I know it sounds silly, but some good long breaths can help clear your head.  

  As far as young kids go, I have no experience there (other than babysitting!), but I agree with what someone said about encouraging your girls to draw.  

  Not sure if this would help any, but I am in Santa Cruz and only have grad school classes 3 days a week and if you would like me to bring my tripawd Chloe to visit you and your kids in San Jose after you lose Mika, I would be more than happy to.  She loves kids and if you think that would be helpful to your girls to talk to, pet, grieve to on a time frame of a week or two or month after Mika passes, please let me know.  We are a tight nit family here at Tripawds and really it would be no trouble on my part.

  Regardless of what happens or what you choose, we are always here for you and we wish you the best!

-Chloe's mom

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6 February 2011
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I also don't have kids, but I remember when I came home from school and our 21 year old cat had died.  This was during the time it was okay to be a latch-key kid.  I was 9.  We had always had pets but I had never had one die that I had "seen".  I remember walking over to him and petting him and being scared because he was cold.

I then called my mom and she told me to cover him with a towel.  I remember being curious after hiding in my room for a bit, and looking at him a couple of times.  It didn't scar me for life, but it did scare me that I was alone with him and he was dead.  He was a great kitty and we still talk about him.  I think it helped me to understand death.

I am sorry that you are having to have all these layers added on to your pain.  I think preparing your kids is a good idea.  Simple answers if possible, although death is not really simple. 

I hope your pup makes a turn around, my thoughts are with you today.

Elizabeth and Sammy

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6 February 2011
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Hi Mila

I saw this post after replying to the other thread. What a hard situation. I remember seeing some ideas from people with kids in the past, and the kids always seemed to have great insight and acceptance into these situations. My best guesses are similar to some of the others. It can give closure to see and touch the body, if your kids want to see and touch that. And drawing can be a great way for them to express their feelings.

I wonder if someone at the emergency vet clinic might be able to come to your home, since it is difficult to move Mika. I guess that would be a hard request to make on a weekend.

Again, my very warmest wishes to you and your family,

Susan

p.s. Chloe – what a nice thought

6 February 2011
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Mary – My!  You are an insomniac.  I thought I was bad and I'm usually in bed by 2am.

Chloe's mom, thanks for your sweet offer. I will definitely keep it in mind…

Mika made it through the night and will probably again.  We have an appointment for tomorrow and the girls are saying their goodbyes.  My five year made Mika a pretend squirrel out of construction paper and are spending time with her outside today.  If she does pass tonight, we'll let the girls decide if they want to see her in the morning, but I don't expect things to play out that way…

 

Thanks again everyone for your kind support,

Mari

6 February 2011
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Sorry for the late reply… bless you and your family during this difficult time.

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6 February 2011
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Mari, the most difficult part of this journey and the day we all dread. you are in my thoughts and prayers. You will be surprised that "when" the time comes – in regard to everything – you will have the answers from your heart. I know you're asking mostly about the kids and unfortunately I don't have an answer for that one since I don't have any, but I will say that I was always fearful that I would not know what to do when the time came to let Zeus go and didn't think I would ever find the strength to do what was best for him, but you do get the answers and you do find the strength for your loved ones. Somehow, somewhere – it comes.

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Heather

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6 February 2011
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Just my opinion – I think that your girls have seen Mika go through cancer, amputation, recovery and now a decline.  I don't think that seeing Mika dead will scar them.  As hard as it is death is a part of the cycle of life and children understand that more than we give them credit for.  What I would guard against is telling them Mika has gone to sleep.  When we equate death with sleep some children develop sleep phobias.  They are afraid they will go to sleep and not wake up.   Also, I would hesitate to get another dog for a significant time so that they learn that it is okay to grieve and that Mika lis not replaceable but that later it is okay for them to love another dog without dishonoring Mika's memory.  I teach a Prekindergarten class and I think the children in my class learned valuable lessons on disabilities and death through Emily.  Granted they did not have the connection to her that your children have to Mika.  All of life is a teaching moment and I am afraid that what they will learn by being kept away from Mika if she passes at home will be harder for them to comprehend then seeing her would be.  Having said that I wouldn't take them to the vet if that is how Mika passes because you also don't want to give them the idea that they may become sick and the doctor may give them a shot to make them die.  Your vet (and their doctor) should be the good guy not the one the one that Mika go away.

Not that it means I am correct but my degrees are in Early Childhood Education and Psychology.  Like I said it doesn't mean I am right but I wanted to share that.

Debra

Debra & Emily, a five year old doberman mix, who was diagnosed with an osteosaecoma. She had a right rear leg amputation on May 19, 2009. On November 10, 2009 she earned her wings and regained her fourth leg.
6 February 2011
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Debra, that is sage advice, thank you. I have heard that children tend to handle death a lot better than adults give them credit for. It hurts us adults to even think about having to explain it though.

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6 February 2011
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I'm sorry to hear about Mika.  I think all the advice here is great. My thoughts and prayers are with you and your family tomorrow.

Sadie is my 9yr old Rott/Shepherd mix. Diagnosed with osteosarcoma in her right scapula 1/28/10. Our brave girl had her amputation 2/13/10 and her last chemotherapy on 6/6/10. Unfortunately, a tumor appeared in her back right leg and on 10/7/2010 Sadie's earthly journey came to an end.  On 10/24/2010 we adopted Ranger, a handsome Rott/Lab mix tripawd (got hit by a car) I think Sadie sent him to us. http://ranger.t.....pawds.com/
7 February 2011
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We are thinking of you right now since we know that you scheduled the appointment for Mika today.  We are sending our thoughts and prayers to you at this time.

-Nicole

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