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18 January 2015 - 3:28 am
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I used to think that dogs will "let you know" when it's time to go, but now I am not so sure. I've looked at all the lists about choosing when it's time and they don't seem applicable. "Does your dog still want to go on car rides?" Well, yes, he does, but he can't. "Does your dog still want to go on walks?" I'm sure he would want to go if I offered, but the walk would pretty much be him limping and me crying and then days of even worse pain after.

Yes, he likes to eat. That's about all he lives for these days.

He's in pain, and mostly just sleeps and eats. I can try more pain meds, adding to the three he is on that don't seem to help anymore, but to what end?

I could deal with lameness due to being stiff or weak. But I don't want my dog to be in pain.

What do I do?

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18 January 2015 - 10:54 am
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So very sorry you are in that awful place. I used to get really angry with people when they would say "you will know when". I never knew when, I would just have to judge when I thought my dogs or cats or horses quality of life was not good and was not going to get better. Early on I waited way too late to send a dog on and it still haunts me to this day. My last dog had lung tumors and coughed often and was tired. Yes she still ate, yes she wanted to go on walks but it was too exhausting for her. I didn't want her at death's door before I made the decision. I wanted to remember her in a somewhat good place, as good a place as she could be. She was definitely going to get worse. I guess you have to look at all those things and make the decision. Our responsibility as pet caretakers is not only to feed, care for and love our animals but also to send them off with some dignity. Good luck, it is a tough place to be in.

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18 January 2015 - 11:00 am
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Uggg, this is a tough one.  First of all, I am SO sorry about your sweet baby.  Those of us here know exactly what you are going through, unfortunately.  For me, personally, I knew it was "time" when Eddy struggled to get up, and when he did stand up, he would suddenly fall again.  He had undergone an amputation, 3 rounds of carboplatin, 2 rounds of doxorubicin, and his lung mets were increasing.  He still had over 70% lung capacity and he was not coughing or anything yet, but I KNEW when I came home and he was right where I had left him and not waiting by the door as usual.  I KNEW when he stopped following me up the stairs.  I KNEW when he stopped following me around the house on a daily basis.  All of these led me to KNOW it was time.  

I brought him back to the oncologist.  It was a Monday, and we had just had a really positive vet check the previous Friday.  However, over that weekend, he had a seizure and had developed a fever.  He was beginning to lose his battle with OSA.  The doctor told us he was fighting too many things...it was getting to be "time".  Ironically, the day we brought him in for his last vet visit, he perked up and was alert, wagging his tail...  I questioned the vet about this.  Was I doing the right thing?  How on earth can I be the one to take my beautiful boy out of my life?  She calmly told me that truly any point after diagnosis is the "right time."  She said she thought Eddy was ready.  The fact that he couldn't walk well, that he struggled to get up....those were all signs.  That was the hardest day of my life thus far.  But, I know in my heart he was not going to get better.  It was going to be all downhill from this point on.  I am glad that he left this world with his tail still wagging.  I am glad he was still able to lift his head and look at my son, my daughter, my husband and me as we stood around him that day.  He left this world KNOWING he was loved.  I hope this helps in some such way.  I am so sorry for you and what you are going through.  Please know you are in my thoughts.  God Bless!  ~Betsy

Betsy Golden and Angel, Eddy.  Eddy was diagnosed with Osteosarcoma 7-23-14, had a left rear amputation 8-07-14, had 3 rounds of carboplatin chemotherapy,  a small lung met was discovered in October, had 2 rounds of doxorubicin, and unfortunately more lung mets were discovered.  Eddy fought cancer valiantly and went to the Rainbow Bridge 1-6-15, at the age of 7 years and 359 days, just six days short of his 8th birthday.   Best Dog, Ever....you will never be forgotten.

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18 January 2015 - 11:05 am
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So sorry you're facing these difficult decisions. Have you read our two-part series about how we knew when to say goodby to Jerry? There are many comments that offer more sage advice.

You might also consider the Penny Jar Method to help judge quality of life.

Finally, it comes down to how you would like to remember the last days with your best friend if you know things aren't going to get any better. Letting go is one of the most difficult things we ever do, yet it is also the last great gift we have for our pals who can't make that call for themselves.

Peace.

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18 January 2015 - 11:18 am
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Wow, some really thought provoking stuff here.  

I just took him to the store and for a walk, and man, he loved the walk.  He even trotted for a bit.  It is making me second guess everything I thought I was figuring out.  But then maybe he just knew it might be his last walk and wanted to enjoy every second of it.  

I do know that I do not want to see him waste away.  I do not want to do it too late.  I just ache at the thought of removing this being from this plane.  His well being is of upmost importance though, and I am willing to remove his pain from his body and put it squarely in my heart.  I just don't want him to feel like I am betraying him and taking him too soon. 

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18 January 2015 - 11:44 am
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Zofiava, it is a very tough decision and I'm sorry you are in that place. It is so hard. With my Jake, we knew that his time was limited. The vet told us he had a second type of cancer and there was nothing left we could do but try to make him comfortable. I personally knew it was time when he no longer ate, he couldn't get up and had lost control of his bowels. A lot of people probably wouldn't have let it go until that point, but I needed to know 100% that it was his time. The vet who came to my house reassured me that he was in the process of dying, and only then did we help him along. It really helped me, having never had to make that decision before, to know that there was absolutely nothing left to do but give him the grace of not suffering through the dying process. Although, I will say that pain was not an issue for my boy. We seemed to have had that managed. 

Also, I know you have a big boy...is he too big to be pulled with something on wheels? Might be a better way to take him for a walk if its manageable for you/him if you decide it's not time. 

Mom to Tripawd Angels Jake (2001-2014) and Rosco (2012-2015) and Tripawd Tanner. “Whatever happens tomorrow, we had today; and I'll always remember it”  

      

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18 January 2015 - 1:41 pm
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It would definitely require something massive to wheel him around.. he weighs about 230, plus it would require some kind of braking system :)

 

I am sorry about your boy, it's never easy, is it?

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WHOA....ok that's a really big boy. I guess the only thing you can really roll him around in would be a car! There is a book, The Dog Cancer Survival Guide , by Dr. Dressler. There are a lot of good things in it that I found helpful. There's are sections on pain management and end of life care (this section includes titles "how to know when", "is it time", and "when you are still not sure").  It can be downloaded right from Amazon in a second. Wish we all had the answer for you, it is never ever easy. 

Mom to Tripawd Angels Jake (2001-2014) and Rosco (2012-2015) and Tripawd Tanner. “Whatever happens tomorrow, we had today; and I'll always remember it”  

      

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18 January 2015 - 3:05 pm
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It's impossible to really know when it's time to say farewell. I found this Quality of Life Scale for Dogs. My husband and I used it to help make an objective decision whether to euthanize or amputate. It helped us see where Blaze was having the most difficulty. It helped us figure out if amputation would improve his quality of life or simply extend his agony. 

I plan to use this objective measure to help me make other difficult decisions. Perhaps it will help you too.

mary and Blaze

 

http://www.paws.....eScale.pdf

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18 January 2015 - 5:04 pm
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First, a big YAAAAAAAAAY becauseq Ti had a good walk! I know that did BOTH of you good!

Ialso know from your previous post and based on things you have said, you do tend worry (we can ALL related to that...this journey will drive you craaaazy!) AND, again according to your own words, you try and run every possible scenario over in your head. Okay, I really am getting to a point here! Two thingsright n ow "we" need to do ......B R E A T H E.....60yeah....you knkw the drill...B R E A T H E....and, of course, Be More Dog ! Stay innthe present with Ti...losten to Ti.

Right now k t s eems he was just have some "less good days" recently...and now henis javing some good days! This part of the journey ks full of good days...less good days...it's a fine line we walk.

I'm guessing your energy was a little more upbeat too when you took him on that walk and I'm sure he fed off of that! DO WHATEVER IT TAKES TO STAY IN A CELEBRATORY STATE OF MIND!! APPLAUD!! PRAISE!! TREATS!!! GOOD BOY HUGS ALL THE TIME!

You have gotten beautifully articulated insight from everyone who has posted. NO MATTER WHAT, YOU WILL ALMOST SURELY HAVE "SECOND GUESS THOUGHTS". We're human..it what's we do so well.

Ill try and share my gut wrenching thought process with my beloved Hapoy Hannah. And please, please please know there is no more lersonal decision that we could ever make...itsw between you and Ti...we are all just offering different scenarios for whatever it's worth...and because we care so deeply for you and Ti.

My thought process was similar to Penny's and the one she made for her beloved Maggie.

Happy Hannah was wagging...eating...enjoying life...but with jncreasing challenges. A couple of months earlier a huge met was found. It began to make her tire easily more quickly. Her breathi g was becoming more shallow and it was harder for her to sleep at night. Yet she wagged so happily and ate with just as much happiness...her eyes sparkled. But she was starting to have to pay a "price" for her joy......and this was not a case where she would ,"get better" Any exerrion exhausted her. The scales were starting to tip out of her favor..

We had great celebrations leading up to her transition to Spirit....lots of candy, ice cream, steak, deer poop. And we stayed in the moment and we cherished second!!! I'm sure she had M&Ms sticking to her Angel Wings when she put them on! Actually, they were made out of chocolate anyway...special order!!

So here's the other end of the spectrum. Yes, I DO have regrets that I did "it" too soon.....she still had quality! She did NOT have that "look" in her eyes.
For her though...it was not going to be some "good days and less good days" alternating....it was only going to be a steady decline.

Should I have waited for her wagging tail to stop...for the sparkle in her eyes to become dimmed...? Don't know. But what I do know is, in that case then I would have REGRETTED waiting a day too late!!!

I think you can see the agony we all go through and the different ways we process it. No right or wrong way!

Right now Ti is enjoying himselff and had a good walk! He'll enjoy a good dinner tonight andperhaps a scoop of ice cream!!! Maybe he'll share some with you!!! Glad he had a good day today and here's hoping for many, many more!!

Stay connected! And give that wonderful hunk of love a big hug for us!!

Sending love...

Sally and My Eternal Light Happy Hannah and Merry Myrtle

Happy Hannah had a glorious additional bonus time of over one yr & two months after amp for osteo! She made me laugh everyday! Joined April's Angels after send off meal of steak, ice cream, M&Ms & deer poop!

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18 January 2015 - 5:10 pm
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This decision is oh so hard. My girls would come and visit and tell me it was time. BUT they were not the ones nursing him. They were not the ones taking him to the vet. I held on. For me, I think that after all I put him through to beat the MRSA , I felt that I did not want that to be for nothing. I wanted more time. When his fever raged again, I took him to the vet. He mentioned a few things that we could try. Fluids, bloodwork etc. I felt that we would be delaying the inevitable. The fact that he yelped in pain when I had put him into the car to go helped cement the decision. Did not help the guilt after though. What if fluids would have helped, what if , what if? I look back now and see all the red sad faces that I had put on the calendar for bad days and I feel guilt over that also. Seems that no matter what, our minds will play games with us. I could not get him to eat, drink water or get up. It certainly would have been an easier decision still if the vet would have just said it was time. The comfort I have now is he is no longer in pain of suffering and I held him in my arms long after he was gone from this world. I will hold him in my heart forever. I guess I am just rambling to tell you I understand. Thoughts are with you, I am sorry you are at this place, Lori, Ty and gang

TY GUY, Best Black Lab ever! Diagnosed  and had amp in January, 2014. Kicked MRSA's butt. Earned his angel wings on April 16, 2014. Run Free my boy and don't forget a shoe. Ty is a proud member of the " April Angels". Ty sent us Daryl, a Tripawd rescue in Sept. of 2016. Daryl is 5 +or -. We are also Pawrents to Chandler, a Border Collie mix who is 15 and 1/2, Lucy, a Corgi who is 7, 2 minis, 2 horses, and a feisty cat named Zoe. Zoe had a non skeletal Osteosarcoma removed in July 2015. No Chemo, she was at least 16. She is going strong although she is now completely blind. She is now close to 20 and her hobbies are eating and sleeping in front of her personal heater. 

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20 January 2015 - 6:39 pm
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For us it wasn't so much about pain as it was about dignity.  Trouble was always the most independent animal I've ever known.  She would do it herself, her way - she allowed us to help her about 2 days with a sling after the amputation and then she was on her own. Arthritis attacked her with a vengeance, and oh so quickly.  Within days she was unable to get about without assistance.  She lost use of the rear leg on the amputation side.  We knew she couldn't get around on two legs on the same side. She couldn't potty without help, and it hurt her pride.  In the end, we didn't want to watch her deteriorate any further.  It felt cruel to keep her alive for our sake.

It is the most difficult decision.  Everyone makes it differently.  There are no right and wrong answers.  In the end it is what you are comfortable with. It isn't something you will ever be happy about, but your hope is to look back and say I did it right even though it was the hardest decision ever.

Best of luck to you.  You will be in my thoughts.

Shanna & Spirit Trouble ~ Trouble gained her wings 3/16/2011, a 27 1/2 month cancer survivor, tail wagging. RIP sweetheart, you are my heart and soul.  Run free at Rainbow Bridge.
The November Five - Spirits Max, Cherry, Tika, Trouble & Nova. 11/2008 - 3/2013 An era ends as Queen Nova crossed the Bridge.

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28 January 2015 - 11:55 am
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Forgive my tardiness to this discussion, but I just wanted to add a few things to what's already been said.

I too hated the statement, "They'll let you know," but after Harmony left this plane I soon realized it wasn't her letting me know so much as it was me listening.  I was either looking too hard or too upset to see what she really was saying.

I knew we would need to make a logical, emotionless decision on her behalf. But, my own emotions kept me in a human frame of mind. I spent too much time berating myself for being selfish. I spent too much time being guilt ridden of events that truly weren't of my doing. In the end, I felt Harmony saw my torment and made the decision herself. To her, it was no big deal. We're born. We die. This is a lesson the hub-a-dub tries to teach me all the time, but there's just something so deep down inside that just can't accept this logic. I think it's hope. But fur-babies have no concept of hope. It's both a human attribute and a curse.

As I sat by Harmony's side on the living room floor, she took her last breath. I realized at that very moment, that I spent too much time worrying instead of living and loving in her doggy moment. This is the guilt I carry today; not that I made the wrong decision(s).

My advice to anyone having to make these kinds of decisions is to try and stay centered. If you have to, look in the mirror and have a "Come to Jesus" meeting with yourself. Lean on your family, your friends, and your Tripawd buddies.

The hub-a-dub, who worked with animals on a farm, told me animals know when their time is near and will instinctively try to run off to die rather than stay with the pack (or herd). Shortly before Harmony's passing, she tried to hobble away from us which broke our hearts because we knew the time was near. She was "speaking" to us, and we listened.

I read somewhere in this thread a quote that I very much like. "Anytime after diagnosis is the right time." I would add, any decision, anytime after diagnosis is right.

I sure miss her so much.

pam

Harmony became a Tripawd on 10/21/14 (MCT). She left us way too soon on 11/1/14.

"We miss you so much; our love, our heart, our Harmony."

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28 January 2015 - 1:03 pm
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I'm so sorry you are at this place.  It is tough.  I am going through the same thing right now with my Daisy (she has advanced arthritis in her hips).  She has gotten to the point where I believe she is in pain pretty much all the time.  She's on two different types of meds for pain but we are at the point that they just aren't working as well anymore.  Her right hip is so bad that she hardly bears any weight on that side and is basically walking on 2 legs using her back right leg for balance.

Daisy's life is to the point of nothing but eating and sleeping, too.  She is still my happy girl though, wagging her tail when she sees me and using my leg as a face towel, and that is why it is so hard.

I do the crying thing too (am right now just typing this) but I think that is part of coming to terms with the fact that she will not be with me much longer.

I wish I knew what to do, too.

Hugs,

Marla and tri-dogs Daisy & Biscuit

My Two Tripawds...Biscuit and Spirit Daisy

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Dear Sweet Marla....we understand and we are here for you. I had to smile through the tears I was crying with you when I visualized Daisy using your leg as a face towel. So cute! You need to take a picture of that! All I can say is continue to celebrate every moment of every day. One day at a time. Perhaps you can talk to the vet about different lain meds, or maybe Adequan (?) injections, or maybe even try acupuncture.

Pam and Harmony...You did listen Pam. Harmony was home surrounded by love. She didn't hear the thoughts rattling around in your head...she felt your presence with her regardless of the "human thoughts" that she didn't concern herself with at all! She felt your love every second of everyday and that's her truth...and thats what matters!!

Se ding love to all,

Sally and Alumni Happy Hannah and Merry Myrtle too!

Happy Hannah had a glorious additional bonus time of over one yr & two months after amp for osteo! She made me laugh everyday! Joined April's Angels after send off meal of steak, ice cream, M&Ms & deer poop!

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