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Taking home a future tripawd puppy tomorrow!
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30 July 2014 - 10:35 am
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My name is AJ. I recently fell in love with a puppy and am due to take him home tomorrow hopefully. I'm thinking of naming him Jaime! He is a small wheaton terrier mix with a deformed front leg. The lower portion of his leg has a bend so that the paw is floppy and sort of curls inward. I am fostering to adopt and the rescue has committed to have his front leg amputated at 16 weeks or so - at which time he may also be neutered. I know that it is not usually recommended to have a dog neutered so young, but the rescue thinks getting both surgeries out of the way might be less traumatic for him and I'm inclined to agree. I'm hoping that it will not affect him too much since he is small - thoughts?

My other question for you guys is regarding scapular vs. non-scapular amputation? Considering I am going to be a foster at first, I'm not sure how much input I'll have regarding the surgery but I'd like to do my research so that I can have an educated opinion. At this point, I would really like for him to have a scapular amputation because I feel it will be easier for him to get around without the stump and I would like to avoid the trauma (and cost) of future surgeries if at all possible. I just don't really see the benefits of non-scapular to be honest - other than for a possible prosthetic which I think he'll do absolutely fine without. Those of you with birth defect amputation experience, did you go with scapular or non-scapular? Here's some pictures!

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30 July 2014 - 10:51 am
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Hi AJ and adorable little puppy Jaime! It's good to meet you, your future posts won't need approval.

He's a lucky pup to have found you, sounds like he's going to have a fantastic life.

Your instinct about scapular vs. non scapular is right; unless you know you want to try a prosthetic (see our OrthoPets interviews) most members here have found that the stump gets banged up and has trouble healing. Many dogs have had to have second surgeries to remove it. Some folks will disagree and say it's better to leave as much of the forelimb as possible, but this is just what we've seen among our members. Here is a post that talks about it:

Non-scapular vs. scapular amputation

Many Tripawds are neutered at the same time as amputation. Sixteen months is really young though. You might want to consider waiting as new studies are showing that the longer you wait the better it is for their health.

I hope this helps. Do check out the Tripawds e-books when you get a chance, they offer tons of tips. Our pawesome members here will chime in soon so stay tuned!

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30 July 2014 - 11:11 am
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Thank you! I'm glad I'm on the right track with scapular, I just hope the vet and the rescue agree. Yeah, I'm very on the fence about the neuter and I think I will talk to them about postponing it. 

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30 July 2014 - 11:58 am
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Hi AJ,

I really have no insight on the choices between the different front leg amp procedures as my Leland was a hind leg amp. 

My question is regarding the neutering...was it being looked at 16 weeks or 16 mos as indicated in Jerry's response?  I just brought home a 10 week Dobie puppy on Saturday and the breeder is adamant that the dog isn't neutered till at 2 1/2 years old if at all.  As Jerry mentioned there are studies out that are finding neutering young puppies/dogs (primarily larger breeds I think) is causing other health issues down the road.  The Dobie breeder mentioned issues with cranial cruciate ligament tears in the knees (which Leland had both go out at 4 1/2 years old and he was neutered at 6 months).  It has to do with the hormones being removed through neutering that's effecting growth plates closing in the bones of the limbs.  I think there was also mention in studies that it's being linked to different types of cancers showing up.

If I'm not mistaken I think I had seen a link to an article regarding this on one of the forum discussion here.  Jerry may be able to point out what topic is was under.

I know for myself I won't be neutering this puppy at the vet recommended 6 months.  When you consider that a dog's life is equivalent to 7 years to 1 year for a human then if we wait till 2 1/2 yrs old that would put them into adolescence so hopefully most of the bone growth is done by then.

Good luck with Jaime and keep us posted on how the surgery goes!

Sahana and her Angel Leland

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Leland

November 17, 2009 - June 30, 2014

May you finally be healthy and running free at the Rainbow Bridge. Until we meet again my sweet boy!

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30 July 2014 - 12:09 pm
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Such a cutie!!!! I have a strong feeling this will be a "succesful failed foster"!!!!!! clapOnce you see the determination and resiliency of your little tripawd......well, we'll just wait and see what happens!!! No pressure!winker

Okay, not a vet....HOWEVER, as Jerry has already pointed out, studies are now showing early neuter can cause all sorts of issues. Obviously, almost everyone on this site is here due to that "piece of crap disease", ,and well too aware of the dangers of too many vacc i nes, neutering too early, etc. Also, just.throwing this out there and I'm sure you've already.investigated, but if b you can wait a little longer for the a.amputation..perhals six months...that gives Jamie a little extra time to develop coordination, muscles, etc. But if it has to happen sooner then it does.

I would think if you signed a document saying you would have Jamie neutered at approx. one year they would be open to that. We all certainly understand the need for spay/neuter....and all of us here are acutely aware of the new studies having us reconsider some.of our old school thoughts.

Ditto Jerry again on full amputation vs leaving a stump. Many are here because of "failed stump srgery" and ended up going forward with full amputation and were very glad they did!

I applaud you for agreeing to take in Jamie AND for being such an incredible advocate!!!!!! PLEASE stay connected to us...we look forward to cheering Jamie on as he bounces through life enjoying it to the fullest!

Sending lots of hugs!

Sally and Happy Hannah and Merry Myrtle too!

Happy Hannah had a glorious additional bonus time of over one yr & two months after amp for osteo! She made me laugh everyday! Joined April's Angels after send off meal of steak, ice cream, M&Ms & deer poop!

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30 July 2014 - 12:19 pm
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Just saw Sahana's post......there ya' go!

I didn't want to say...but I will...I have a seven month puppy Bull Mastiff and will DEFINITELY have her go through one heat (assuming it's around 10--12 months) and then will have to decide.whether to have her go through second...just depending on how old.she is at the time. Nope,.this won't be easy!

Is the vet an Orthopedic Surgeon?

Jamie is.soooooo lucky you are his forever home...err...I mean...foster home!!!way-cool

Sally and Happy Hannah and Merry Myrtle

Happy Hannah had a glorious additional bonus time of over one yr & two months after amp for osteo! She made me laugh everyday! Joined April's Angels after send off meal of steak, ice cream, M&Ms & deer poop!

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30 July 2014 - 12:36 pm
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Thank you guys, I'm so glad I found this site! 

I think I'm going to insist that he be neutered at a later date - the rescue is run by some very sweet, understanding people and I don't think this will be a problem at all! I can't wait to pick up Jaime tomorrow - I'm actually going crazy trying to unpack everything in my new apartment so that I can be all ready for him and not have to wait for Friday. I don't know if any of you are Game of Thrones fans - but if you are, you might have caught the 'Jaime' reference ;)

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30 July 2014 - 6:56 pm
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Hey AJ! How cute is Jaime!! I also don't have much input on scapula vs no scapula. My boy Domino is also a front leg amp due to a car accidents before I adopted him. His surgeon agreed with everyone here and to prevent future problems took everything, so he has no scapula. Then when I went to a rehab therapist she said he should have left the scapula lol. So I'm not one way or the other. Her only argument was with Domino being so young at his amp (1yr) that he was an amazing candidate for a prosthetic and wouldn't haven't as many future problems. 

As far as spaying/neutering I do have to throw in my 2 cents, and everyone here will disagree with me! lol. I've been a vet tech for about 5-6 years now. And I actually recently asked Domino's vet about this same question a few weeks ago. Where I work, we see way more health problems with unaltered pets. Our general recommendation age wise is between 4-6 months of age. In females the cancer statistics are crazy! In females spayed before their first heat cycle they are almost 100% less likely to develop mammary cancer/uterine cancer/ovary cancer than an unspayed female. And each heat cycle you wait just adds more of a risk. After one heat its decrease to about 50%, two heats 25% and after three there is basically no difference. In males it's fairly similar, testicular cancer and prostate cancer are a much bigger risk to a male neutered later than 1-2 years old. The biggest thing we see in males is behavior changes and marking. We have several clients that like to neuter at a later age, which is perfectly fine. But around 80% of males that we neuter after about 9 months old have some type of behavior issue, whether its aggression, humping, marking, dominance. So, when I posed this question to my vet, I even asked about hysterectomy vs spay, and vasectomy vs neuter. He said there is still a great risk in both surgeries, hysterectomy is just as invasive and can have just has many complications, and same with a vasectomy. But all of the hormones are still present, which some may see as a good thing. This are still the hormones that are going to cause the behavior problems, and with males, it does nothing to decrease the chances of prostate or testicular cancer. I'm just going by what I see on a daily bases. I hate hate hate hate having 9 month-2yr old males coming in for castrations. The surgery is riskier, the blood vessels are much bigger and at much more risk of bleeding/swelling and complication, and their attitudes are insane. Just last week we castrated a 2yr old black and tan coonhound, who was huge as were his blood vessels. He now has a gigantic hematoma that is having to be drained daily and have daily laser therapy treatments. He's on 2 more medications than he would have been if he was a puppy, he's stressed, his owners are stressed lol. Obviously this doesn't go for every dog out there, but if you can prevent a problem by having it done when their young and healthy then why not? End rant lol

Again, just my 2 cents, I personally have a 5yr old unaltered male, but if I could go back I would have neutered him at 4-5 months old. He now has an enlarged prostate and is going to have to be neutered to prevent problems, and now that he's bigger, the surgery is risky :/

Hope at least some of this helps. In the end, do what you feel is right. If you'd rather wait and think it's best for him, go with your gut and wait. No one can make that decision but you. 

Jaime is absolutely adorable and I'm sure will adjust to being a Tripawd just fine! Make sure to post lots of pics of his homecoming!! 

Cassie and Domino

“A dog is the only thing on earth that loves you more than he loves himself.”
Domino had his left front leg amputate on May 13th 2014 after being hit by a car. He's now living a happy healthy life on three legs :)

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30 July 2014 - 7:03 pm
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I just reread my post and it does sound so ranty! So sorry!! I just figured you got the owner opinion, and I'd give the rescue/vet opinion lol. 

“A dog is the only thing on earth that loves you more than he loves himself.”
Domino had his left front leg amputate on May 13th 2014 after being hit by a car. He's now living a happy healthy life on three legs :)

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30 July 2014 - 10:15 pm
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Not rangy at all, Cassie - and Domino is so handsome! I really like getting another side of it because I do see the benefits of both options. My best bet will probably be to consult with the vet. While I've always felt a little weird neutering young puppies the advantages may out way the risks at this point - I'll let the vet make the hard decisions, I guess :P

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30 July 2014 - 11:03 pm
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How lucky Jaime is to have found you!  And while I haven't watched the show, I have read all the books ;)  But I have to admit, I really hate Jaime as a character haha  The puppy, however, is absolutely precious!!  It's wonderful to see someone that is willing to take in a tripawd right from the start.  

I have no info to add on the amputation question.  As far as the neutering goes though, I wanted to throw this out there since no one has mentioned it yet.  I see the positive side to doing both surgeries at once...only has to go under anesthesia once, only has one recovery period, cost savings, etc.  But also consider how difficult recovering from an amputation of the leg and having the testes removed will be, compared to only recovering from one at a time.  Neutering is such a common procedure that I think we sometimes forget that it is still pretty painful.  I'm not sure which I'd choose for my pet if I was in the same situation, but thought I'd throw it out there as some food for thought.  winker

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31 July 2014 - 6:56 am
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I have no info to add on the amputation question.  As far as the neutering goes though, I wanted to throw this out there since no one has mentioned it yet.  I see the positive side to doing both surgeries at once...only has to go under anesthesia once, only has one recovery period, cost savings, etc.  But also consider how difficult recovering from an amputation of the leg and having the testes removed will be, compared to only recovering from one at a time.  Neutering is such a common procedure that I think we sometimes forget that it is still pretty painful.  

I agree! Anesthesia is rough on and dog at any age, going through it twice kinda sucks. Domino had his amputation, then got neutered two weeks later because the doctor didn't want him to be under anesthesia longer than he had to be (his amp surgery was a little over 2 1/2 hours). Looking back on it, I'd almost rather have them done at the same time lol. He was on so many good drugs after his amp, and was pretty quiet for about 2 weeks.... then I had to have him neutered and keep him quiet for another 2 weeks! Now granted, it may have helped him  heal better from his amp to have the additional two weeks of rest, and we didn't have any problems from either surgery. It's just something else I would discuss with your vet. The risks of going under twice are most likely far less than staying under anesthesia for a longer period of time. So separate surgeries may be the way to go if your vet feels the same way. 

Can't wait to see home Jaime does after coming home today! 

Cassie and Domino

“A dog is the only thing on earth that loves you more than he loves himself.”
Domino had his left front leg amputate on May 13th 2014 after being hit by a car. He's now living a happy healthy life on three legs :)

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31 July 2014 - 12:10 pm
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I actually decided to take him home tomorrow - as much as I didn't want to wait haha! Last night I managed to build my bed (by myself I might add :P) but I didn't get to unpack much else. I still have to build my desk so I figured it would be safer for Jaime's first day to be one where I don't have a bunch of power tools laying around. And this way I can stay home with him all weekend! I'm so excited, I can't wait to have him all to myself! 

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31 July 2014 - 12:20 pm
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Great input Cassie and Melinda!! Thanks very much for taking the time to share your insights!

Cannot wait to see Jamie's homecoming pictures!!! What a glorious day this will be! We're excited too!!

Jamie needs to have cake and ice cream to celebrate his first day in his forver home...err....I mean foster home!

HUGS!

Sally and Happy Hannah and Merry Myrtle too!

Happy Hannah had a glorious additional bonus time of over one yr & two months after amp for osteo! She made me laugh everyday! Joined April's Angels after send off meal of steak, ice cream, M&Ms & deer poop!

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Yes, thank you everyone for all the advice! It's a real comfort to me right now, as I'm a little bit nervous about what I'm getting myself into. As soon as I met Jaime (if that will even be his name, haha) I knew I had to adopt him, but it's a little scary entering into such a big commitment. I'm starting to really worry that the vet or the rescue will insist on a nonscapular amputation when I really just don't think that's a good idea. The rescue is paying for the amputation at a discounted price, which is why I'm remaining a foster until after the amputation, so I fear that either party may insist on nonscapular as that is a cheaper, less invasive surgery. I worry too much, though! I'm sure he'll be fine either way :D

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